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Kansas lawmaker ‘appalled’ by Islamic display in school

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By Travis Perry │ Kansas Watchdog

OSAWATOMIE — A display outlining the five pillars of Islam has been removed by Wichita school officials after some parents took issue with the visual following the first day of class at Minneha Core Knowledge magnet school last week.

Susan Arensman, marketing and communications director for Wichita Public Schools, acknowledged that Minneha had created a visual display of the five pillars of the Islamic faith, but said it was part of a curriculum the magnet school has utilized for years. Students study Islam, as well as Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism and Buddhism in the historical and geographical context of understanding the development of civilizations.

“The bulletin board that originally caused the concern does represent the five pillars of Islam – in a historical context of their studies,” Arensman said. “There is also a painting of the Last Supper hanging in the school as part of the study of art and the Renaissance period.”

But what’s lacking, some argue, is full disclosure.

A concerned parent, who asked to remain anonymous for fear of reprisal against herself or her child, said if students are going to be taught about Islam, they should also be made aware of what she views as violent ideology.

“If you’re not going to include all the facts, then there’s now a bias,” said the parent, who is Jewish.

Arensman said that’s not what the district is aiming for.

HEDKE: “Appalled” by the five pillars of Islam display.

“The purpose is not to explore the matters of theology, but to understand the place of religion and religious ideas in history,” Arensman said. “The Core Knowledge goal is to familiarize, not proselytize; to be descriptive, not prescriptive.”

State Rep. Dennis Hedke, R-Wichita, said he was “appalled” when he first heard of the display. He said the way the school teaches about Islam glosses over some of the more unsavory aspects of the religion, such as Jihad and the annihilation of Israel.

“If you’re going to talk about Islam and make it sound like it’s another one of those religions that needs to be understood and contemplated by mankind, there’s a serious misunderstanding,” Hedke said.

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  • LOL

    Oh the irony of a Jewish woman saying someone else’s religion is violent. Talmud anyone?

  • drluckey

    Core Knowledge Goal must be equal to Common Core. the feds have decided to provide the curricula for American students that insures all will be placed in their position and compensated for the labor they perform.

  • Deeno

    Ha! Jewish folk complaining of violent religion. Can we say pot calling the kettle black?

  • Sandra Amador

    THERE SHOULD BE NO RELIGION TEACHING OF ANYONE,IN A SCHOOL PERIOD!!!! SPECIALLY,NOT THE ONES SUCH ISLAM THAT ENCOURAGES TERRORISM BY MANY OF THEIR EXTREMISTS LIDERS. NOT, THAT THE OTHER RELIGIONS HAD NOT HAVE A VIOLENT PAST, BUT COME ON! ISLAM IS STILL VIOLENT!! STILL GOING ON WITH THE STUPID HOLY WAR,TO KILL CHRISTIANS AND JEWS….SO,TO PREVENT FUTURE DISCUSSION AS THESE IS BETTER NOT TO INCLUDE RELIGION IN SCHOOLS. UNLESS ITS IN A HISTORICAL WAY…

  • Randy Attwood

    My test of a religion has been how many people have been killed in its name. None of the so-called great religions pass this test. Buddhism is the least violent. Christianity was 1400 years old before it had its own Reformation and Islam is only about 700 years old. But it desperately needs a Reformation. If America were to leave the Islam lands (and I think we should) the Sunnis and the Shiites would kill each other until, perhaps, some Reformation would occur. But this is a problem they must sort out for themselves. When we enter the picture, they unite against us. We are oil independent now. Get out, get out, get out. Let them fight themselves.

  • Karen Bell

    There was no religion of any kind taught when I went to school. It was all about Math, Science, Literature and History, not Religion.!

  • Rob Bieser

    Has anyone here ever read the English translation of the Koran? If one is going to study various religions, one must include all the scriptures of those religions including the Hebrew Scriptures as well as the Koran. And for everyone’s information (as well as the perceived “Jewish” anonymous parent who complained), Islam, Judaism and Christianity have similar roots in the person of Abraham, the father of Isaac and Ismael! So, in a way, Islam, Judaism and Christianity are cousins!

  • 33 1/3

    I am appalled that we are scared to teach our children the simple understanding of religions that may be different than ours. Religion has played a significant role in national and world history. And Christianity, Judaism, the Hindu all have a violent past and have killed thousands in the name of God. I am not well versed on Buddhism so I can’t comment but seriously… overreact much? The more we come to understand and respect our differences the better our country, this world will be as a whole. But the funny thing is, when you delve into the differences you also find a great amount of commonality.

  • dbb1031

    Fire the entire school board……….why not just study the Nazi’s with a smile !!!!!

  • h cole

    They are not cousins at all islam is based on if your not with me then your against me and you should be killed. Chrstianity does not say anything about killing someone if you don’t believe in it. So I think you need to study both religions again.

  • dbb1031

    morals and virture should be taught in every school.

  • Karen Berman

    oh please. It is not the schools job to teach about different religious beliefs. that’s is for churches, synagogues, and mosque to do.

  • BOC

    Does your cousin stone to death his women for being raped?…..

  • Karen Berman

    This goes beyond just teaching about different religions. It goes to trying to teach the religion – that’s called INDOCTRINATION.

  • Betsy

    This is really *not* that surprising. The display, in my experience, would typically be one of several – other religions being studied typically have their own. Now if we can find out for a fact they’re displaying only one, I’d certainly have a complaint about that…but if they’re all treated equally, and given that they’re being studied in a particular (and important) context, I do not see this as a problem or at all shocking. The fact that a lawmaker was “appalled” by it or that parents or others in the area would throw a fit is also not surprising, as this has been going on for quite some time when it comes to any display portraying any sort of controversial ideology, even as a part of study. Schools are accused of indoctrinating into various religious, away from religious, toward certain political standpoints. etc.

  • BOC

    The fact is that if it where Christianity plastered all over the outcry would have been much more… in fact faculty probably already had that discussion and nixed it before the bulletin boards where displayed…

  • FreezePeach

    What about all the violent death done by Christians? Will there be a warning when they get to that unit?

  • Joshua

    The fact is that I’m now a 20 year old student in college studying history and when I was in high school, Jr. High, and elementary we did learn about all of these religions, including Islam, when studying a period of history or geography. You cannot teach about a period of time or place without doing a brief overview of the culture, which includes religion.

  • Karen Berman

    Well,yes, you are part of the new generations that has suffered horribly under the politically correct indoctrination being taught in public schools. It’s a shame you didn’t get a real education. Either way, all that needs to be said is what religion is found in which region. Save the rest for World Religion Class, or your spiritual adviser.

  • Joshua

    It is all basic knowledge and I’m truly offended that you would make jabs about the quality of my education when you’ve never met a single one of my teachers. Shame on you. I wouldn’t say I’ve been indoctrinated, in fact I was blessed with wonderful history teachers throughout my academic career. Children should have a basic, and at the very least, working knowledge of the world around them, otherwise they may believe every single lie told to them by FOX (FAUX) News.

  • Karen Berman

    My point has been made. Anyone who thinks Fox is the only one telling lies has not gotten a well rounded education at all. Honey, the Gov’t is lying to you. Look around at the real world. When the Gov’t tells you to ignore something or someone, it’s usually because it is the truth.

  • Ron Roske

    I think that the main difference is that these other religions may have been violent, in some aspect, in the past. Islam is violent in the present and a totally non tolerant religion.

  • Joshua

    I’m a libertarian. I’m well aware that the government lies. My point was this, but shh don’t tell anyone, it isn’t just the Democrats lying…..

  • Karen Berman

    Well, our education is seriously lacking in STEM, that is science, technology, engineers and math. leave religion out of it and being our education back up to a competitive level.

  • sonny diamonds

    MY IDEOLOGY AT THIS STAGE OF MY LIFE IS VERY CLOSE TO THAT OF CONSERVATIVES & REPUBLICANS . THIS ISSUE IS A STATE SCHOOL ISSUE . WTF DOES ISRAEL HAVE TO DO WITH ANY OF IT ? WHEN DID AN ISRAELI DIE OR GET INJURED FIGHTING SHOULDER TO SHOULDER WITH A G.I. ? THE ANSWER IS NEVER ! HOW MANY MUSLIMS DIED FIGHTING SHOULDER TO SHOULDER WITH G.I.S ? THOUSANDS & THOUSANDS . HOW MANY EUROPEANS (NATO) ? WHEN YOU HEAR SOME COGRESSMAN OR SENATOR STRESS THAT ISRAEL IS “OUR” ALLY AND MUST BE PROTECTED AT ALL COSTS ASK HIM OR HER ….WHY ?

  • Nottaturk

    Thanks for posting Travis. The real point of conflict here is not that Islam or any other religion is mentioned in geographical, historical, or even political context, but that the “5 Pillars” is a foray into Islamic Theology. I have explained this a bit further here, (if you will permit a link). Thanks,

    http://definingthenarrative.com/2013/08/19/wichita-elementary-school-greets-students-with-the-5-pillars-of-islam/

  • http://diegueno.tumblr.com/ diegueno

    I think you would be a more effective troll if you turned off your caps lock.

  • http://diegueno.tumblr.com/ diegueno

    uh, no

  • Victor Blowfeld

    So when do they teach about Islam’s attempt to take over the world? That conversion is forcible? That Islam’s views date back to the Middle Ages? That women are chattle?

  • Amy

    morals and virtues should be taught by parents and family.

  • Jeff Brown

    The religion is one of murder, death, lies and hatred to the Jewish and American people. It is ridiculous to show such trash. The very people who have cause the deaths of millions in the name of religion….let them kill each other go to Allah and get their 72 gay virgins….

  • spencerjones43

    I agree. In my U.S. History class, there was a brief mention of Brigham Young and Mormons but it did not go into the Mormon religion, simply to cover their contribution to the settling of the west during and after the war with Mexico.

  • spencerjones43

    Courses and social groups pertaining to religions should be left out the schools until college when a student can sign up for a class that focuses on specific religions and/or the like. Children have not yet learned to think for themselves completely and are easily influenced. Use that time to teach the basics that they will need for life – math, English, history, etc. If parents want their children to study religion, they can take them to church or enroll them in bible-study classes at private institutions such as a church of their choice. There is supposed to be a separation of church and state. Let’s remember that WE are the ones that have to enforce such laws and rights… government will not do it for us!

  • Tracy Adler

    Apparently you know little of true Christianity. Jesus was crucified, died, was buried and rose from the grave to redeem all mankind of their sins. Christianity also believes that Jesus is God. He is part of the Trinity, being the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Islam recognizes Jesus as a prophet, period. Judaism also only recognizes Christ as a prophet and not God. There is more to knowing about religion, you need to understand it. while we are on the subject. Catholicism believes you must get forgiveness of your sins via a priest and they also pray to Mary the mother of Jesus. The Bible teaches that Jesus said “I am the Way, the Truth and the life. No man comes to the Father but by me.” also the Bible teaches that there is no mediator between God and man except for Christ. Somehow Catholicism is being labeled as Christianity but in truth it is far from it.

  • Nan

    Mohammed, the pedophile, is a plagiarist. He claims that old testament prophets were Muslims, before Islam began. That’s bullshit. Another claim that Islam makes is that everyone’s Muslim when they’re born. Also bullshit.

  • Nan

    The lawmaker was appalled that the curriculum glosses over the reality of Islam. No talk about the violence the Imans encourage that’s enshrined in the Koran, no information provided on women being second class citizens.

  • Betsy

    Not new. When I was in high school, they covered the basic tenants of all of the religions mentioned (as well as Hinduism) side-by-side. They did not go into great detail when it came to the sects of each religion, nor did they cover all of the “laws” of each religion. Wars fought over religion were an entirely different topic, brought up in their historical context not as part of the basics of religion.

    Of course I would actually agree that the violence resulting from the religion is actually important historically, the same as the Spanish inquisition and crusades.

    The discussion of second-class citizens (which is actually specific to some sects and not all), and arguments as to various interpretations of holy books would be a perfectly valid topic for a class, as well, but far more advanced than the basic pillars of Islam (or the 10 commandments, eightfold path, or any other core tenants you might choose to look at).

    I’d actually think if that was going to be in public schools it’d be an elective or something, as it would take a lot of time (that could be used for other things) and is unlikely to have much practical benefit or importance for most people’s lives. Really the whole topic is a small piece of social studies, really only relevant in that it helps provide a basic building block for understanding the (cultural) context of various historical events.

  • Lura

    People need to be taught right and wrong. In ’85, no one wanted teachers to talk about morals, character, right and wrong, now look at our world, our legislators, wall street. People now are only sorry when they are caught. Tell me how many people in business and the financial sector are teaching their kids right from wrong? Scandal after scandal is going on today and that goes back to those that don’t want right from wrong taught in school.

  • Nan

    First, the word you’re looking for is “tenets” not “tenants.” Misuse of language doesn’t add to your argument, nor does bringing up the Crusades with the Spanish Inquisition. The Spanish Inqiuisition was under control of the monarchy; as such, although the monarchs were Catholic, it was their choice to determine the orthodoxy of those in their territories. It was not under the control of the Church.

    Similarly, the Crusades were an attempt to regain Christian territories which were being sacked by Muslims. Muslims attacked, stole, raped, enslaved and killed many in the Holy Land.

  • Betsy

    Okay, thank you for the correction. As far as it “not adding to my argument” – it doesn’t make my argument less valid either.

    As for the Crusades and Spanish Inquisition, I was simply saying the are other examples of historically important events. They are. They were also influenced by religion. I never said, nor even intentionally implied, that they were the same exact thing.

  • Joe

    Yes a lot of violence and killing was done in the name of Christianity, but a major difference between Christianity and Islam is the idea that if you not part of our religion then you are to be killed. The Bible does not teach that Christians should kill those that do not believe, where as the Koran does teach this.

  • Nan

    Using incorrect language is a distraction and tends to diminish credibility so yeah, your argument becomes less persuasive.

    Most people believe that the Spanish Inquisition was run by the Church so to mention it without further information only fuels that; same with the Crusades. Most often when they’re mentioned, it’s in the context of Christians being violent toward Muslims with no acknowledgement that it was in response to Muslim atrocities.

  • Dean Spencer

    If this ignorant rep wants them to teach about the radical Muslims like they are the norm for Islam, then I would expect he also wants the school to teach about the nutjobs like Westboro like they are the norm for Christians. Or would he just be biased?

  • Betsy

    Fair enough, they would be less persuasive, as people tend to follow their emotions rather than facts.

    As far as the violence, it wasn’t even just toward Muslims. If I were using them in such a context, it would be for Christians being violent, not against a specific group of people.

  • Zane

    Apparently you have not studied Islam at all. If you had you would realize the bible both (new and old testaments) are regarded by Islam as revelations by Allah (which is literally their word for God. When they say praise to Allah its the exact same line as you saying praise to God, Arabic just doesn’t use God. In french the word is Dieu, also, just means God.) they just believe the Qu’ran is God’s more pure word, and was given to Abraham because the bible had been either incomplete, or corrupted or distorted. So yes, they are indeed cousins. You worship the exact same God. Or would you say the Mormon God is completely different because they have the book of Mormon as well with Joseph Smith being their prophet. (All of this comes from an in depth study of Islam with Duke University, so yes, I would claim to understand it a little bit, and yes, I would claim you sir, are wrong.)

  • 1911HeadBanger

    Stifle the Christians, expel the Bible from Campus, no Jesus T-Shirts or Crosses on a necklace. No Christmas, Easter Christmas Carols or Manger scenes But Islam Displays and special food for Muslims is perfectly fine.

  • Zane

    Abraham should be Muhammad, I apologize for my typo, I would hate to spread misinformation.

  • Sarah

    I have (twice) taken an in-depth course on religions, even visiting the religious sites of each religion. (Including a mosque both times.) Have you read the Qur’an at all? It DOES say that all infidels (those who are not Muslims) should be killed. I’ve also talked to several people who used to be Muslim, from Islamic countries (Pakistan and Egypt), but who converted to Christianity. They told of how their family threatened to kill them because they converted, and other horrors of the religion. The Bible says that Jesus, the Son of God, died and rose to forgive the sins of the world; if they truly believe that it is inspired by “Allah”, then why do they deny that Jesus is the Son of God? The Muslims live in everyday fear of their Allah. They are taught that he is mad at them, that he hates them because of their sin. Christians know God to be a loving Father. Is that truly the same God? Knowledge, if taught falsely, means nothing. A professor in a Christian nation, who was taught a glossed-over version of a religion to make it seem more accepting (did you know that, in the Qur’an, Muslims are commanded to LIE to non-believers to get them to convert?) does not know more than multiple people raised as a Muslim in an Islamic country.

    But yes, all three did come from Abraham. Judaism through Isaac, which branched into Christianity through the line of King David, and Islam through Ishmael, the son that Sarah’s maidservant bore out of Abraham’s disobedience to the word that God had spoken to him.

  • Zane

    You have obviously not been in a high school in a long time. Crosses on necklaces? 1 in 5 students at my public high school wears one, no one says a word. Bible not allowed on campus? People stand outside the doors, on school grounds, and pass out the new testament twice a year for the past 7 (from the years I’ve been in middle/high school) years. No one says a thing. Christian Fellowship of Students meets on Tuesdays and Thursdays before school. The Young Life (A christian youth organisation) shirts were worn Monday, saying young life tonight, welcome Jesus. Nothing said. The five Pillars of Islam go up? oh no you must take that down I am offended and you are brainwashing my child oh no.

    Please, tell me more about how it is the Christians who are “stifled”

  • BZ

    “…perceived Jewish…” ?? What does that mean? That she sees herself as Jewish but is not? That the reporter incorrectly assumed she is Jewish? Are you making a point with your ‘perceived Jewish’ comment?

  • Zane

    If you would notice I never claimed they did not say they must kill infidels, I merely pointed out his flaws and how Islam does include the bible (If you notice I did state they view it as having been incomplete or corrupted/distorted. That solves the issue of your statement pointing to Muslims not believing Jesus is the son of God. I never said they do believe he is.). Moving to the point of Infidels having to be killed, I can now respond towards that. The Qur’an’s most often cited passage towards this is explained quite nicely in this article (and yes, I know you claim it’s a lie because Muslims “have to” gloss over their religion to convert the non believers, but you know what? Christians lie too. So do most major religions with any dark pieces to their religious texts. Do christians go around shouting about all the passages in leviticus about killing a man who has shaved? No, because it’s outdated and they understand that (when it suits them).) http://www.alislam.org/egazette/updates/why-does-the-quran-say-that-infidels-should-be-killed/

    Next, the killing of civilians is a crime under Islamic law. Terrorism, which is the most commonly cited example of Islam being used in an extreme way to kill Non-Muslims is a punishable crime under Islamic law. Muslim jurists have deemed it to be Hirabah, which is a term in the Qu’ran (I know you probably know this, but included for the sake of others reading the conversation) that refers to offenses that target the innocent unjustly. Instead of Jihad, or a struggle. which comes in two forms. Jihad as the struggle towards becoming closer to God through service, or activism against tyrrany, or Jihad in the “greater” sense where it involves great personal sacrifice on that path to a greater closeness to the divine’s wish. Furthermore one Hadith (Once again, explanation for those reading along, a Hadith is a secondary teaching according to the way the prophet lived, it is also a sacred text) that describes the code of conduct during a war, which is only to be embarked upon in defense, (Qu’ran 8:60-61, 60:8-9) states limitations that weren’t international law until last century, but were taught by Muhammad in the seventh century, including “Do not kill women or children or an aged, infirm person.” (you can find this information and more in this article from georgetown’s center for contemporary arab studies http://ccas.georgetown.edu/document/1242771122737/Intro_to_Islam.pdf) So, killing all infidels is not exactly on the agenda. Nor is it something most Muslims support in modern times. You will always have extremists, but there are extremists in every single ideology.

    Now, you say that they are taught to fear Allah. I cannot pretend that I have grown up in a Muslim family or country. I talked with the Director of Islamic Studies at Duke, Dr. Bruce Lawrence (he came to my class for a discussion) where he presented Islam in his experience as well as some other things relating to Islam. He has spent roughly 8 years in the Middle East in various countries, and he stated during that presentation that Allah is the same benevolent being. So did Former Senior Advisor on Middle East Issues at the State Department Office of Policy Planning (09-11) when she came and presented on the Syrian situation. There is a student at my school who moved back to the states from Egypt two years ago, after having lived their for 16 years. He and I have frequently discussed Islam, and he claims Allah is benevolent. The Qur’an even states in the one passage I have lying next to me “It may be that God will grant love (and friendship) between you and those whom you (now) hold as enemies: for God has power (over all things); and God is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful. God only forbids you with regard to those who fight you for (your) Faith and drive you out of your homes and support (others) in driving you out from turning to them (for friendship and protection). It is such as turn to them (in these circumstances) that do wrong.” (60:8-9) that can be found in the georgetown article.

    Finally your lambasting of the credentials of my teacher. You show arrogance and ignorance in your statement “A professor in a Christian nation, who was taught a glossed-over version of a religion to make it seem more accepting (did you know that, in the Qur’an, Muslims are commanded to LIE to non-believers to get them to convert?) does not know more than multiple people raised as a Muslim in an Islamic country.” First, cannot claim this as a Christian nation. That’s the first sign of ignorance in this post. The United States of America is without religion, there are things such as separation of church and state here. While it is true that Christianity in its many varied forms is the majority (at 78.4% according to this pew study http://religions.pewforum.org/reports), it is NOT a Christian nation. I have shown that the credentials of my sources are a little better than your assumed educational status with the claim that I am only pulling from a professor who was taught a “glossed-over” version. I have cited a few first hand accounts, and several research based articles.

    And yes, the original stance holds true, the three religions are related.

  • SixSixSix

    Oh let’s include the cheap Jews. The Catholics that breed like rabbits. The Morons and all those wives. Personally I hate Christianity because it is a false religion that has done the most damage in this country. It has a violent and terrible history with the vicious Crusades and the insane wars of the Reformation. Now can we have balance, please?

  • SixSixSix

    Oh if only if were true. Christianity has a far worse terrorist history than Islam: Crusades, Inquisition, 100 years wars, 400 years of Colonialism and Slavery.

  • SixSixSix

    Right. Let them learn from the Koran that usury is wrong. End of financial crisis.

  • SixSixSix

    Uh, how will children learn for themselves if we keep hiding facts and reality from them. It is an odd argument. Beside bible-study classes aren’t learning, they are indoctrination. And religious education is not limited to ignorant Christian polemics.

  • SixSixSix

    Damn Arabs are the Jews of the 21st century. Too bad we can’t use the original ones, but that got all politically incorrect, for now. Just wait for end time and we’ll deal with those suckers too.

  • SixSixSix

    Oh, you got that confused with the Christian agenda.

  • SixSixSix

    Oh god, not non-Christian theology. My god, they might question the Eastern bunny and the Resurrection myth. Not that.

  • SixSixSix

    STOP SHOUTING! Please.

  • tauhida

    Please stop all these name calling. There’s no truth in what you said here. Please read up the Quran or just do a google of Mohammed before make any senseless accusation. Thanks

  • SixSixSix

    You have zero knowledge of Christian history. What you describe is the Christian theology and practice up to the rise of modern secularism and includes the very foundation of this country where tens of millions die in the name of “manifest destiny”. Check out the Crusades, Inquisition, Reformation, 100 years war, genocide and ethnic cleansing of North and South America. Gee, come to think of it Christians try their damnest to stamp out modern secularism too. Ready to get back to their ways if they can blow the competition away. Go Tea Party, Onward Christian Soldiers. Republicans forever!

  • SixSixSix

    You checkout the callous forced breeding that the modern American Christian establishment is inflicting on American women. The destruction of Choice. The end of the most intimate of personal Freedom. The promotion of medically false information. The misuse of medical equipment. The compromise of doctors who must pass on false information. The destruction of medical facilities to serve women. The War on Women is an American tragedy paid for and enforced by the American Christian establishment against the will of the majority of this country. Die of cancer, woman, we don’t care. They want to ban birth control and in vitro fertilization. You have sex and breed their way or jail time. Ideally execution if you violate their strict directions. They have spoke they and they alone know the meaning and definition of life itself.

  • SixSixSix

    Hmm…the US kills half a million in Iraq. The most Christian nation on the planet. But Christians are not violent. Bullshit.

  • SixSixSix

    No it is not. Churches, synagogues and mosques indoctrinate captive children. They do not teach, they tell. And between each other, all must be lying if you add it up. No wonder they fear the big picture getting out.

  • SixSixSix

    That’s right. We will make sure you get Tea Party Inquisition approved brain washing. If that does not work, the rack for you.

  • SixSixSix

    Paranoia so becomes you. Glad you hate your Country. We not move to Syria where you can pick a faction and fit right in.

  • SixSixSix

    No, it would interfere with the importation of foreign technical slaves.

  • SixSixSix

    Has anybody read the Christian Bible? The worst, sickest document I have ever read. Full of glorification of genocide, actually punishment by a psychotic god for leaders who did not practice it 100%, selling daughters into slavery, subjugation of women, Lake of Fire for everyone who does not tow the line, terrible suffering not just for awhile but forever. How can anyone with decency allow that in public? Ban the crazies before they start another Crusade or Inquisition.

  • SixSixSix

    Apparently you know little of Christianity. You should have stopped there.

  • SixSixSix

    Apparently you have not studied Christian history. Or the North Carolina “constitutiion” (I use the word loosely).

  • SixSixSix

    And Revelations? What does that say about non-Christians. Torment, torture and suffering in life and for all time. Yours is not a gentle or pleasant religion. Christianity is sick to the core. It was Islam that showed tolerance while Christianity produced the genocide of the Crusades and the Inquisition. Within 10 years of winning in Spain, the Jews were banished. And Spanish intellectual life slid backwards into the darkness of torture and Christian religious terror. The Tea Party and resurrection of Jim Crow are the march in this country. We resist or we lose our Freedom.

  • SixSixSix

    Christian don’t like to admit what Relevations promises for all those who don’t buy ticket to the great Christian song and dance. Guess what Jews, you aren’t going to like what your so-called buddies have in mind for you. Burning in fire, total destruction, does that sound familiar?

  • SixSixSix

    You really think Christianity improve with the so-called Reformation. The central tenants got more rigid, more orthodox and more intolerant. And that’s just the Protestants.

  • Deuce Prez

    Those people are Islamaphobic idiots!!

    How many times do we have to tell them the truth??!! Islam does not condone violence against innocent people, Muslim or non-Muslim!!

  • Deuce Prez

    Great!

    Test the religion; not those claiming to follow it when they commit misdeeds not in-line with their religion.
    Let us know how you’re going to conduct this “test“. I’d be interested of its parameters.

  • Deuce Prez

    Apparently…..it is! R.I.F. (reading is fundamental).

    What did you not understand about the picture of the Last Supper being on display. And, as you noted, there was and is no “uproar” over it!

    Get. A. Clue.

  • Deuce Prez

    Yes! Or have you not ever read the Bible…..?

  • Deuce Prez

    Judaism, Christianity and Islam are known as the 3 Abrahamic faiths. That’s what Rob meant that they were “cousins“.

  • Ian Westbrook

    What are the five pillars of Islam?

    Shahadah: sincerely reciting the Muslim profession of faith
    Salat: performing ritual prayers in the proper way five times each day
    Zakat: paying an alms (or charity) tax to benefit the poor and the needy
    Sawm: fasting during the month of Ramadan
    Hajj: pilgrimage to Mecca
    There are more than 1.5 billion Muslims in the world, most of whom are born into that cultural milieu. Obviously, ignorance is superior to knowledge. Let us not have our assumptions about the world challenged at a fundamental level. For example, I had not realized how Euro-centric I was, and I live in Australia, with Indonesia as our northern neighbour. I have actually met non-practicing “Muslims”. In some ways we human beings are not all that different from one another.

  • Deuce Prez

    Do know that infidels (those who don’t believe in God) don’t refer to the “people of the Book” (i.e. Jews and Christians) and refers to those who had been attacking them (the Muslims).

    This is a case of telling the whole truth vs. you telling bits and pieces of it for the purpose of being devilishly deceptive.

  • Deuce Prez

    Scary stuff….those 5 pillars……

    Oooh….!! Run….hide….!!

  • Deuce Prez

    I’ll ignore your nonsensical, inapplicable name-calling of Prophet Muhammad.

    Do you know what the name/word “Muslim” means….? Obviously not or you wouldn’t have posted something so foolish as you did.

    Mu’-slim: one who submits his or her will to do the will of God. Period.

    Now…..did the prophets of the Bible submit their wills to do the will of God? Yes or no?

    Judaism and Christianity were named after Judea and Jesus Christ. Islam is the peaceful and willing submission to God and was not named after a person. We believe that everyone submits to God when they are born, but they learn rebellion as they learn worldly distractions.

    You’re caught up on your own ignorance.

  • Confused

    The concept of infidels is a Christian not an Islamic one. Since you are one of those who claim they speak of knowledge, I would appreciate if you tell me where the Qur’an says you should kill those who have different beliefs, and where it commands Muslim to LIE to non-believers.

  • Deuce Prez

    Further thoughts:

    The Holy Qur’an does not teach Muslims to kill or harm those who have not been aggressive against them, attacking and killing them….all because they now believe in one God, instead of many gods!

    The Bible is similar to the Qur’an in that it speaks of God directing the righteous in matters of war and battle.

    So, please……don’t get it twisted…..!

  • Deuce Prez

    As the article states, they’re teaching from a historical vantage point, not a religious one.

    That’s why the pseudo-outrage is ridiculous….!

  • Deuce Prez

    Funny part is, the government didn’t just start lying when Pres. Obama took office.

    Where were the teabillies during the Bush administration??

  • Deuce Prez

    Through all of your SHOUTING, I do agree with your point about Israel.

    They get $3,000,000,000 of our tax dollars on an annual basis. What are we getting from them in return? Nothing. Not even respect.

    If any Christian thinks different, travel there and end up in the wrong ‘hood. The right wingnut so-called Jews will harass, accost and run you up outta there….! They don’t care about Americans; just American money coming into their pockets!

  • Maryam

    Buddhists are currently slaughtering Muslims in Myanmar, and have done their share of killing throughout history, so you can include that religion on your ‘list’…yes, Sunnis and Shiites are at odds now, just as the Catholics and Protestants have been for hundreds of years in Europe. All violence that stems from religion, is caused by extremists and is not the fault of the religion. there are crazy, violent ppl in secular society as well; Stalin, for example.

  • Maryam

    Well then that accounts for ppl’s ignorance regarding any other religion besides their own. It’s great that it’s taught in schools; as it’s part of culture and what makes a well-rounded education for the student. Fear of knowledge should be a red flag that liberty is at risk.

  • Deuce Prez

    You don’t know much about Islam, that is evident.

    Thanks for letter us know how little it is that you know about Islam.

  • Maryam

    According to the Bible, Jesus stepped in and stopped a stoning of a woman accused of being an adultress…. unlike in the Qur’an. when you bash a religion, make sure you know what you are talking abt

  • Deuce Prez

    And during the blood-thirsty Crusades, the crusaders not only killed Muslim soldiers, they also killed other Muslim men, women and children. And they didn’t stop there….. No! They also killed Christians and Jews who were living peacefully amongst the Muslims they killed….

  • Dee

    I’m Muslim and am not aware of any violent ideology. In fact, it’s quite the opposite. That parent needs to learn more about my religion before she makes ignorant claims. I hope doesn’t grow to be as bigoted.

  • Bagel

    Buddhists are killing Muslims in what is a mass genocide in Myanmar. Obv you wouldn’t know bc of your sad bias.

  • Nan

    Do you deny he married a 6 year old?

  • Clay Loveless

    the last supper as art from the renaissance period ?? why are they teaching that about the last supper. they must be ignorant to what the last supper is about . it was the last meal JESUS had with his deciples before the JEWS crucified him on the cross . if you r going to teach islamic religion . then teach the truth about the last supper cos its not just art from a peroid in history .

  • Clay Loveless

    what r u a satanist with that handle 666

  • Clay Loveless

    they said it was displayed as a part of a ART CLASS from the Renaissance not in its religion capacity.

  • Clay Loveless

    or rape 12 year old children

  • Clay Loveless

    actually she knows a lot that’s what the scriptures say she nailed it buddy. what would a six six six person know about the bible.

  • Clay Loveless

    oh so thats why muslims r creating sucide bombers and promising 60 virgins to the killers of american women and children… please u should get real

  • Clay Loveless

    so ur saying GOD CHOOSE TO GIVE HIS WORD TO A PEDIPHILE UR NUTS TO BELIEVE THAT

  • Clay Loveless

    SHOWS UR IGNORANCE IT WAS CATHOLICS THAT WAS DOING CRUSADES NOT CHRISTIANS

  • PBrenda

    Thomas Jefferson had enough Korans printed in English, so that EVERY American could read it to find out about Islam and the violence within…….even our Founding Fathers were aware of it

  • Deuce Prez

    WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREED!!

  • Aminah

    there is a difference between teaching and preaching. It is so important for us to learn about other people, other cultures, other customs and other ways of living. We are living in a very global society and the problem today, specially in America, is we have absolutely no idea of what other people do, think, are, believe etc… we think we know but what we know is a bunch of outright propaganda, not truth and that goes for Islam and Muslims as well as every single other religion or ethnic group on the planet. Americans are ignorant and we have our educational system to thank for that and our moronic politicians as proof. Even if you see Islam & Muslims as your sworn enemy (how sad for you) then take a page from the art of war and get to know your enemy, you can not defeat an enemy you do not know and understand.

  • Deuce Prez

    Then….once you get to know a Muslim and their family, you’ll see just how similar they are to you and your family and that all of the Islamaphobic hype that made them seem like the “boogeyman” was no more than a bunch of fabrications for the intent of deceiving you.

  • Deuce Prez

    They also stated that they weren’t teaching the religion.

    So, what’s your point?

  • Deuce Prez

    Question:

    Are all of the customs, traditions, mores and practices of European countries ~2000 years old still practiced here in America today?

  • Maryam

    the virgin Mary became pregnant with Jesus when she was abt 12 or 13 years old, the common age for most females when they married and had families. Don’t compare our cultural/societal norms with those in other parts of the world 2000 centuries ago. Once again, education helps one overcome ignorance.

  • Deuce Prez

    Clay:

    Did you know that the first suicide bombers were NOT Muslims?

    Btw, suicide is a major sin in Islam.

    I’ve ALWAYS been real. You, on the other hand, should get the facts…..which you obviously don’t have.

    You, too, are caught up in your own ignorance.

  • Deuce Prez

    Do you deny that the practices of today (not ~2000 years ago) in the USA (not in Saudi Arabia) are not the same and can’t be compared with one another?

    Did you also know that the laws which govern when it is legal for a girl/young woman to be married is:

    1) Not the same in all states and
    2) Just became law within the past 100 years!

    I’m sure you are oblivious to those facts. Now, get off of that high horse you’re astride and come on down to planet earth with real human beings.

  • Deuce Prez

    At least that’s a screen name, loveless…..!!

  • Patricia Ashlock

    If religion is to be discussed at all in schools, then all religions should be represented and only as an informative topic. Otherwise, religion belongs in the mosque, temple, or church.

  • WeimMom

    Teaching religion MUST be left up to the parents and family!

  • WeimMom

    Islam has murdered many Americans in hopes of their many virgins!

  • WeimMom

    Obama has NOT earned respect from Israel or any other country for that matter! Obama is so busy working with the radical islamist & Muslem Brotherhood trying for his ONE world order, he cared little about respect!

  • Cheryl

    “If you’re not going to include all the facts, then there’s now a bias,” said the parent, who is Jewish.” Yeah, let’s not forget then to include “the facts” about Israel’s jews. Okay? Frankly, I believe the only thing they ought to teach about ALL religions is that religions have caused more wars, more death, destruction, and mayhem than anything else on earth.

  • Deuce Prez

    Weimmy:

    First, recognize that Islam is the religion. A religion is an intransitive noun and cannot “murder anyone!

    A Muslim is the adherent of the religion, Islam. However, whatever misdeeds done by the individual is the fault of that individual, not the religion whose teachings are contrary to said misdeed(s).

    Lastly, you need to check your source(s) on the virgins thing. I’d like to know your source(s) and where it claims that Muslims can get virgins for committing murder and where the Holy Qur’an, Hadith or any such text mentions “America“.

  • Mark K

    Yeah – maybe the are cousins, but one cousin lives in a trailer park, beats his wives, kills his daughters and spends time in jail every now and then.. The other cousins may drink, but are otherwise good fellows.

  • SixSixSix

    America has murdered a quarter million in return, dropped billions in ordnance, and invaded in deceptive wars of aggression. And the number is still increasing. No clean hands.

  • JOHN J

    You people are so STUPID. Look at the curriculum. They are teaching the HISTORY and GEOGRAPHY of the 5 major religions, NOT THEIR THEOLGY! And keep this in mind before you a$$holes try to start a holy war, CHRISTIANITY HAS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN ANY OTHER RELIGION.

  • SixSixSix

    While you are at it, where did the all knowing God ever ban abortion or birth control? Don’t believe that is covered in the bloody history recorded in the Christian Bible either. The so-called Word of God is amazingly silent on the topic. Contemporary religious leaders have built up stories about it but those stories are their stories. Likewise the Islamic religion has a lot of hangers on who have attached cultural baggage such burkas that are not part of the main body of the religion.

  • SixSixSix

    That’s code for they don’t get total mind control, the same technique as used by the Taliban in the territory they control.

  • SixSixSix

    With attitudes like that, I would say they are well matched to Christians, who I assume are the “Americans” to which you refer, not counting the Jews of course.

  • SixSixSix

    Shows your ignorance. There was no other Church in Western Europe at that time. All those Protest-ants were yet to come; they hadn’t hived off yet. Plenty of Christians in the 100 years war. Plenty of Christians burning witches by the 100,000s when the “real” ones arrived. Some of them right here on this continent. Still have their Churches here. AND REMEMBER SHOUTING ON THE INTERNET IS THE DEVIL’S WORK.

  • SixSixSix

    Oh no, the Nazis were a product of Muslim Europe, surely. That had to be Muslim prejudice they exploited, surely. Must have been. Christians never hurt a fly.

  • SixSixSix

    Only if you follow the same dead end Middle Eastern religions. There is much, much more to religion than those three violent and destructive parent and child religions.

  • SixSixSix

    So indoctrination may be complete. God help us if ever the impressionable are not molded before they can question.

  • SixSixSix

    Christ killing. Blood libel. You are well named.

  • SixSixSix

    Apparently a lot more than you two. Didn’t read the part condemning the Catholic Church or its interpretation. You got it all wrong and will fry in hell for it. Now that’s an objective fact.

  • Aminah

    Indeed & that is the root of the fear … “the other” becoming/belonging to the “us”

  • Aminah

    There is a difference between teaching and preaching. Teaching the core principles and historical facts about a religion and how that religion falls in with the culture and geographical areas of the world is not harmful, in fact it can only be beneficial. I am a Muslim and I have absolutely no issues with my kids (if I had them, but my nieces & nephews) learning about other religions, cultures and various other groupings of people. This makes for a well rounded human being that can function appropriately in society and among all sorts of people. This makes for a person who is knowledgeable about facts and learns to have respect for others. If parents are so concerned about religion then by all means teach it at home, but if you are so insecure about your own religion that the mere thought of your child learning some basics about other people and how they live is somehow a threat to the validity or strength of your own moral teachings … then you have much bigger problems. (I am not saying you as in you personally but you as a general pluralistic term)

  • John Davis

    Christianity doesn`t teach violence. If you have seen it ? It is because someone stepped out-of-line. God all thru the Bible speaks against the violent person. HE speaks against the sacrificing of the innocent, He speaks against the shedding of innocent blood, He speaks against the persecuting of the righteous { the righteous that walk in the will of the God of Peace }. Our great nation has always { not always been right } tried to protect the helpless and the hopeless in their fight for life because we were raised for that purpose. Being a Christian and know a little bit about GOD`S plan of Salvation and Council. I stand in defense of the Bible as the only TRUE WAY for a person to stand in Creation and walk as orderly as possible. You want to know why things don`t go well, CHECK out the Bible.
    Adam sinned and he was kicked-out of the Garden, Why ? He was out of GOD`S will for life in GOD`S Creation. King David in the OLD Testament said ” Creation is off course “. That is why things are not going well in our lives, our homes, our nation and our world. Creation is off course. DO NOT even think of comparing the Christian GOD with any other. As soon as you do you turn the WISDOM that spoke all things into existence against your ideas and creation it`s self will begin to working against you . May GOD BLESS

  • SixSixSix

    I eat immortal souls, what else? Fools and their souls are soon parted.

  • Sal

    Where does it say that in the Qur’an to rape children?

  • Sal

    Where does it say in the Qur’an to stone a woman for being raped? In actuality a wife of Muhammad’s fidelity was questioned and word was sent from God that there must be 4 witnesses to the event prior to any punishment served. Also there is a time when someone came to Muhammad and requested punishment for committing adultery and Muhammad sent this person back 3 times saying just repent to God.

  • LuCha

    Violent religion.

  • Regan LL.M

    creeping Sharia

  • Guest

    Schools are chock full of information about the unsavory parts of Christianity, like the millennia-long tradition of child fucking by Catholic priests all over the world. You learn that in what, 2nd grade? No? That’s what I thought. Representative Hedke and all like-minded people would be hard-pressed to find their ass with both hands.

  • Zane

    Catholicism is a branch of Christianity… Christianity is the umbrella term, Catholicism is specific. It’s like saying you are an American, but also a Kansan.

  • Hassan

    Firstly, Islam is almost 1400 years old. I agree with you that the west should leave those people alone. There are terrorists among all religious groups, even Buddhists. Recently a Budhist leader in Burma announced himself as “Osama Bin Laden” of Budhist world. In Burma they are fighting Muslim minority. All religions are good. As one Muslim philosopher said: “There is no fault in Islam, the fault is in us as to how we practice it.” This statement applies to all religions.

  • WeimMom

    As it should be in the U.S.A.! We are a Christian Nation, don’t like it, get out!

  • Randy Attwood

    Sorry, what I mean was that Christianity is about 700 years older than Islam. Islam has been around for about 1400 years and let’s hope is getting closer to the time when it will stop killing because of the Sunni Shiite split. It took 100 years for Catholics and Protestants to stop slaughtering each other. Not that some groups didn’t keep doing that. The cynic might say our tactics in the Arab world is to help the Sunnis when the Shiites are strong and help the Shiites when the Sunnis are strong. They will kill each other.

  • FreezePeach

    There are lots of examples where this doesn’t happen (like why are there still Copts in Egypt 1600 years later?) and there are plenty of times where Christians kill unbelievers (pagans, Jews, Muslims, etc.) so neither religion can be clean on that count. They’re man made institutions with all of the faults of men; we’re better off without all of them.

  • Nan

    Catholicism is the only Church founded by Christ. It was the Catholic Church that canonized the scriptures in the Bible as being divinely inspired. Note that Paul’s letter to the Thessalonians teaches us to follow both Scripture and Tradition. Know also that Catholics don’t pray to Mary, they pray for her intercession. Totally different concept; think Wedding Feast of Cana, where Mary tells the servants “do whatever he tells you.” He told them to fill jugs with water, which he then turned into wine.

    Jesus also said “Whatever you bind on Earth shall be bound in Heaven; whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in Heaven. ” This is where the authority for priests to absolve sins comes from,

  • Yuri Lessa

    Jesus-freaks ‘errywhere

  • Nan

    Islam is not peaceful. And Allah isn’t God.

  • Nan

    The Mormon God is different; Mormon’s aren’t Christians. They don’t believe that the Trinity consists of Father, Son and Holy Spirit, nor do they baptize in trinitarian fashion.

  • Nan

    Dude, you know that the crusades were Christianity’s response to the sacking, looting, killing, raping and kidnapping of Christians in the Holy Land. It was the Muslims who produced genocide. In fact, more than one religious order was founded to ransom Christian captives.

    Oh, and the Spanish inquisition? That was the monarchs, not the Church.

  • Nan

    Leviticus is old testament isn’t it? If you recall, Jesus came to fulfill the law, meaning that while Christians keep the Old Testament, the old laws have been abolished in favor of new ones.

  • Curtis

    If that’s a fact, why don’t you source it?

  • SixSixSix

    Just like the Muslims. You leave. We are Americans first, not religious pawns.

  • Karen Berman

    And just what in the blue blazes do you think THIS is?

  • Curtis

    Please source where the Bible says Catholicism is Jesus’ official religion. Also, Jesus specifically told people in the Gospels not to praise Mary, but only God. The “Hail Mary” blatantly goes against this statement He made. Also, “praying to Mary” and “praying for her intercession” is virtually the same thing, as the latter is simply a request made during the former. What’s more, why do we need a dead woman praying for us when we already have a living connection to God the Father Himself, through Christ?

  • Curtis

    Isn’t Allah the moon god of ancient Arabic-nomad polytheism?

  • WeimMom

    I, Native American belong in the U.S.A.

  • SixSixSix

    Bull. The inquisition was run by the Holy Mother Church. That a fact. More than one Order participated. The mass killing and looting of the Crusades is a matter of history – Dues Vult – hack and kill. Get the damn Jews too with whos those irredeemable evil Muslim lived and let lived. The people of region still remember and resent those times. The most new Western Catholic orders where formed to loot and pillage. Which by the way included Constantinople, the head of the Eastern Holy Roman Empire – center of Christianity in the East for a thousand years. Ackward that.

    Revelations shows the blood thirty, vicious and ugly side of the Christian cult. Jesus would be weep for what people said in his name. You will never be fulfilled following such false and empty trash that only political compromise but into the officially edited version of the New Testament by a Roman Emperor. At least you have to admit that Christianity is the bloodiest, most militant, and brutal of all three religions in the family. Nobody else come close to praising the ugliesness in Relevations.

  • SixSixSix

    Ask God. Or are you afraid. He sure didn’t write anything teaching hatred of the Catholic church. No did he write about birth control. And he did not condemn abortion despite it being nearly as old medical practice as the oldest profession. He didn’t say a word about a single cell being a person. Absolute did not define a full human as a single cell. Said that nowhere. You won’t find it – that the source idiot! You guys make all this stuff up. Check your Bibles, none of your ranting are in there. You just added them saying well, they should have, so it must be OK. Some might call that blasphemy.

  • SixSixSix

    Well your people got conquered all right. They didn’t care too much for the Christian treatment but had a lousy immigration policy. But you don’t get to tell the rest of us what to believe. That is literally your problem, which it appears to be. I am sure your ancestors would not be proud, but that too is your problem.

  • Nan

    The fact remains that Muslims believe that Mohammed, the pedophile, is the perfect man and follow his example. Child marriage is followed in middle eastern countries, to the detriment of the children.

  • Nan

    Thou shalt not kill.

  • SixSixSix

    Ok, no death penalty. That is crystal clear. And Christians like Buddhist should not be soldiers. But where does it talk about single cell being a full human, birth control, or abortion of feti? The latter two were well known back in the day and first one should have been known to an omniscient power who nonetheless chose to say nothing. Nowhere. Not mentioned.

    Made up by false modern day prophets calling themselves “Christian” although they expose things that having nothing to do with religion. Just like the fanatics who in some cultures push the wearing of Burkas despite that clothing having nothing to do with Islam – it is just cultural preference. They are faking it. Taking the Lord’s instruction in vain.

  • Nan

    Now the word of the LORD came to me saying, “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations.” (NAS, Jeremiah 1:4-5)

    Thessalonians 2:15 “Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.” Thus, Christians follow both scripture and tradition, therefore not all God’s statements are in the bible.

  • Nan

    Child marriage is still practiced in Muslim lands. Read the Guardian and find out about Muslim pedophile rings in Britain that groom young non-Muslim girls for sex.

  • Nan

    Women must have 4 witnesses to rape before it will be prosecuted. Muslim countries prosecute rape victims for adultery.

  • Nan

    Hail Mary is from Luke; the words of the angel so is biblical. Jesus handed the keys to Peter, putting him in charge; similarly he said whatever you bind on earth is bound in heaven, whatever you loose on earth is loosed in heaven. He founded a religion with his Apostles to be his successors. This is the Catholic Church.

    Oh, and please show in the Bible where it says that the Bible is the only source of information?

  • PawneeBill47

    Everything I need to know about Islam I got on 9/11, don’t be so damned elite.

  • PawneeBill47

    Islam is1,400 years old.

  • SixSixSix

    Oh nice. Just like Muslims you can make up stuff continually and call it “tradition” even though it is new stuff. Add cultural baggage at will. So the Bible is incomplete and “tradition” somehow is also infallible. Wow, welcome to the Catholic Church, you must be strong believers.

    “Before I formed you in the womb “- that would be pre-fertilization so conception is NOT the beginning of Life. The whole personhood thing is out of wack. “Before you were born, consecrated you”, OK so could be just before delivery – who are we to tell the Lord when to act. Nothing here address abortion as forbidden. Didn’t make it to the stone tablets either (please don’t give me the tortured interpretations because that is exactly what we are talking about.) Not sure the “prophet to nations” is generally applicable but I don’t see that as forbidding birth control. Oh my, Adoni doth move in strange ways.

  • Ghent

    “The __Core Knowledge__ goal is to familiarize, not proselytize; to be descriptive, not prescriptive.” — translation: “The Common Core and UN Agenda 21 goal is to brainwash your child.” Common Core is very anti-American and will (or should) frighten you once you learn what it really is. Everyone should do a little research.

  • Ghent

    Religion, culture, morality, ethics, (other than federal and state laws and government theory), have no place nor need in a public school; especially when you consider that our kids can’t write, can’t read, can’t do math… We’d be accomplishing a public education miracle just to focus on ONLY reading, writing, and arithmetic, and get them all to PASS! Why are we mixing in other things when we clearly are FAILING at teaching the basics?

  • Ghent

    If he’s ignorant, then you are so entirely and absolutely unaware and apathetic, you might as well be a slime-mold under a rotting leaf. Seriously. Read the news, anywhere, in any country. Muslims are the ONLY suicide bombers, anywhere, everywhere, always. If you, Deuce, want to hope for any validity at all to anything you say, then condemn every one of your brothers and renounce your Quran, because they CLEARLY believe in and preach suicide and genocide. Until you muslims that claim to be peaceful and ‘moderate’ start denouncing your brothers loudly and publicly and often, you ARE participating in their crimes against humanity.

  • moas

    thanks for your honesty…

  • moas

    no we are NOT A christian nation, so please make the move of “getting out” or stay and c0-exist with other human beings as Jesus would have.

  • moas

    God bless…i agree 100%.

  • moas

    thank you for the info.

  • moas

    100% correct.

  • moas

    stopppp, you sound like a person with the i.q. of a 3 years old…ooops sorry to all the 3 years old lads.

  • Precious

    “…theology, but to understand the place of religion and religious ideas in history…” Islam is not only a religion, it is a system of government and comes with a system of laws. To the followers of Islam, there is to be no separation between religion and government. They are one and the same.

  • Lara

    I would rather the TRUTH be taught in the classroom… CREATION by GOD Jehovah is the cornerstone to life on this planet. ALL ELSE is perversions of it. ALL will be held accountable for what they teach their child other than God the father, Jesus the son and Savior. The fool hath said in his heart there is no GOD!
    Psalms 14:1 (To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.) The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

  • Lara

    Ecclesiastes 2:16For there is no remembrance of the wise more than of the fool for ever; seeing that which now isin the days to come shall all be forgotten. And how dieth the wise man? as the fool.

  • Rachael

    So, if Islam truly is a violent religion and all Muslims are terrorists, that would make over 1.6 billion terrorists in the world! Wow, I wonder how we survive a day!! This is absolute prejudice and ignorance…so what this is saying, Islam is not a religion, its followers are crazy lunatics, and we should not prepare/teach our children what they will most likely hear every night in the news..ISLAM…
    I was taught Islam in high school, post 9/11..my teacher was very biased, his information incorrect…years later I became curious about these radicals I hear about on the news, I just couldn’t understand such a religion based on violence (as our teacher taught)…when I looked into it myself, heard it from an ACTUAL Muslim who has KNOWLEDGE of his own faith, I realized what my teacher taught me years ago was blatantly untrue.
    The entire religion and its followers are blamed for the actions of a few, I wonder, should Buddhists also be eliminated from the curriculum as they have been massacring Muslims in Myanmar for years?? Surely Buddhism is a religion of blood and hatred for the violent few who have committed acts of genocide!!

    THINK PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Wow, even my HS Teacher was misinformed and teaching us incorrectly, but at least my small town school had the integrity to support our education, allowed him to shed some light on different cultures and religions to prepare us for this diverse world we live in, I’m thankful for that at least.

  • Rose

    Zealots and idiots are not only running out schools but they are stupid!!! Violent “ideology” is not in any part of Islam, but in extremist cultures that have hijacked Islam, with members who can’t even read the Qur’an.

  • Rose

    They also need to change study of the Holocaust as a human crime, not just a Jewish one. Plenty of other innocent people died in German camps. They have admitted that the 6 million figure is false (not to mention impossible) so if they lied about that they are lying about other things as well. The Zionists hijacked the Holocaust to justify murdering Palestinians in over 437 villages to take over their land in 1948. Yet American schools keep teaching crap. And the Israeli right wing maniacs are not Jews, in fact they are an insult to real Jews, they are Zionist terrorists, and they are the ones that perpetrated 911, not some cave dweller in Afghanistan. The Zionists had to make 911, to give the plutocrat demons in this country permission to go steal Lithium and opium in Afghanistan and oil in Iraq. Wake up people, America is the only country left in the world that sees Israel as anything other than an apartheid regime that occupies the real stewards of the land, the Palestinians. There are Palestinian Jews, Christians and Muslims that all lived peacefully together until American creeps (primarily Mormons) decided to destroy the Holy Land by inserting Zionist wealth as a military complex, at the expense of the indigenous souls. Read global scholarship and academic work not American propaganda.

  • Guest

    Teaching bias is NOT ‘great’.

  • Guest

    Correction, the Buddhists are definding themselves against slaughter.

  • Lauzz

    I believe that a child should be taught about religion when they are indeed old enough. Thus this along with any other kind of ideals should be kept out of schools. Maybe even out of high schools even.

  • Guest

    Displaying the pillars of islam *IS* teaching about that religion, it’s just not teaching EVERYTHING about that religion. THAT’S THE POINT!!!

  • Tiger716

    Hey! Here’s a great idea………leave religion out of the schools and in the hands of the parents.

  • monacall

    how about doing away with the public school system…..let people choose the school they want to go and can afford….
    stop paying taxes for incompetent teachers…..especially to schools like this one….I would drag my sons out and never go back….that day they would start going a private school….

  • Caulfieldgirl
  • jack taint

    All religion is crap.. It is simply a crutch for the week minded, an illusion so you can sleep well at night and just disregard the FACT that all living things are worm food when they die. There’s no santa claus, or easter bunny or magic man in the sky?? that creates everything that ever is and was in the entire universe/multiverse and who also has the time of day to listen to your thoughts oh and do absolutely nothing about those thoughts.. (exhibit A is the holocaust – how many millions of jews prayed to their awesome god to save their lives??? oh wait thats right it was all just part of his magical plan right? please). Its time for all humans to deal with reality and grow up. Once we do that our species will truly move more quickly in out scientific discoveries and technological progress. Religion hinders this growth in SO many ways. Just like it did when they fought against scientists claiming earth was not the center of the universe except now its with stem cells and genetic engineering etc.

    I will leave you with one more amazing religious contradiction/crazy idea.. An African tribesman lives a perfect moral life for 65 years before dieing of old age. He is a great person. He took care of his family and never committed any crimes. He helped out the community and was loved by all. Lets compare him to a serial killer in the USA who murdered 20 people and before he gets a lethal injection for his crimes he decides to confess and repent for his sins via the prison’s catholic priest. Guess witch one of those men gets to go heaven and which one goes to hell? YEP THAT’S RIGHT FOLKS THE AFRICAN TRIBESMAN GOES TO HELL and the KILLER GOES TO HEAVEN! great deal right. ugh

  • Phillipe Violette

    islam is not a religion, it is a ideology

  • Suze417

    Actually ur wrong — God said “Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee” Jeremiah 1:5 — so God does consider a person, a person at conception

  • gwedem5995

    I agree. I went to school in the 40′s and 50′s and I don’t remember anything religious other than the prayer. And I don’t remember citing it that often.
    Maybe that is why we are smarter than the current generation that can’t even read at an 8th grade level and so far behind math with the exception of some.

  • SevenSevenSeven

    And it’s founder was a pedophile!

  • PawneeBill47

    Among other horrible things.

  • SixSixSix

    Oh boy here we go claiming to know the mind of god. What your quote actually says is that god considered you a person before conception on earth. God knew you in some spiritual realm, possibly heaven. This does open the door a tiny crack to the possiblity of Christian re-incarnation. But it says not a single thing about conception. The act of sperm and ovum uniting is not covered because conception takes place (historically) in the belly (uterus actually). I guess god is a little squeamish about vocabulary.

    In vitro fertilization would be off the hook if it had to be in the belly, wouldn’t it? Nor does it say that everyone who god knows has to be conceived. Angels aren’t for instance. It doesn’t say when they have to be conceived or delivered for that matter. You aren’t god, maybe it takes several human life cycles. It is blasphemy for you to say that birth control, miscarriages, or abortion are not part of god’s plan. You don’t know and you are making it up. Literally putting words in god’s mouth. Shame on you.

    You forgot consecrated. That is deemed to take place in the belly. But not when. It could be the last tri-mester, it could be 10 nanosecond before birth or exctraction by whatever means. Of course atficial wombs will make this all the more interesting Maybe we can see the moment of consecration.

    I suggest you stick to the words of the Bible and not make up your own interpretation.

  • Happygramm

    What if the posting was the ten commandments? It couldn’t even have happened! This is ridiculous on many levels.

  • daveveselenak

    They are steadily making inroads to our society! I saw an e-mail where the stone-age tent-headed throwbacks were praying to Mecca right in the business district of New York City! It’s time to send Obaa-baa-ma’s brethern the hell back to their stone-age country!

  • Cesar Abraham

    The Buddhist in SRILANKA slaughterd more than a million tamils from 1980 to 2009. Get out of that cave and open your eyes

  • TSALAGI

    Religion should fall under the purview of the parents, and their places of worship, and NOT the public school system!!!! If they want to study comparative religions when they get to college then great but, the grade schools are not the place for it!!!!!!!

  • larrygrant876

    Well it is the Minneha ‘core’ knowledge maggot school, so , there ‘ya go. I say bring Bacon and Bibles to school myself. Someone needs to come to one of these islamofacist loving schools in full Christian regalia, Jesus loves you t-shirts and Bibles and let the fun begin. TSIGO, ThisShiiteIsGettingOld.

  • larrygrant876

    That’s because we only knew about the Jewish Christ and that was a no, no back then, plus that was before the muslims became so popular after killing 3000 Americans on our soil. Of course the retarded liberals can only remember the Crusades when defending our pork fearing muzzies.

  • Debbie

    The Government has gone to far. They need to get out of our lives, I thought they worked for us. Now they tell the teachers what to teach with Common Core and
    our basic school system has gone to the dogs.

  • teresa

    I took a Intro to Religious Studies class in college and to me it seems like everything I learned in that class is what they were teaching in this class. I see a lot of people on facebook saying about how that want God back in the schools. This just made me wonder whose God? I guess they mean a Christian God. But, what about the Jews, Buddhist, Hinduism, and Islam? I mean these are the top five religions in the world. And no offense but the whole thing with Islam and Christian reminds me of the Holy Wars. Don’t know why it does but it does.

  • madphd

    While they’re at it. They should be made aware of the atrocities of christianity too.

  • skinnercitycyclist

    I think really the only hting that should be banned is people who use caplocks inappropriately…

  • skinnercitycyclist

    Do you seriously, but seriously, suggest that Christianity stopped being violent after the Reformation? Because all those people massacred in the Thirty Years’ War may have something to say to you. I’ll put your awareness of the global market in oil in the same basket as your knowledge of European history.

  • Dave The Sandman

    So because the school includes teaching about Islam the dear little good Christian representative insists they teach about jihad and other less savory aspects of Islam.
    Fine. OK.

    But being fair and balanced, when teaching about Christianity lets also insist on teaching the kids about the mass slaughters of Jews and Muslims by Christians during the Crusades; The Inquisition; the mass Christian sectarian slaughters such as the St Batholomew’s Day Massacre in Paris and the Sack of Magdeburg; the Wars of Religion; the Salem/Puritan witch trials and murders; the anti-Mormon policies in the 1800s US; the Church involvements in the forced conversion of First Nations peoples and genocidal age of Manifest destiny; Protestant church resistance against slave emancipation; Baptist church resistance against de-segregation and equal race rights; and as Mormons are now Christians according to the GOP we can include The Mountain Meadows Massacre.
    Oh…. not so keen on fair and balanced inclusion of all the bad bits now are you Mr Representative?

  • skinnercitycyclist

    No true Scotsman, eh? Typical for Christianists.

  • pook

    Maryam
    you are too politically correct, you are already brainwashed. They are terrorists. Islam is not a religion it is a political doctrine that rules over lives from the cradle to the grave, especially women. Read the quran (Koran) and its encoded book the sacred Qu’ran. It takes 3 pages to tell islams how to go to the bathroom, how a woman must have permission to leave the house from her husband, how and at what age girls are circumzied. Read what the mulsims in America say about how they and allay will be the only religion. wake up

  • pook

    we have been fighting the muslims since 1786 in this country. Franklin, adams went to visit them to make peace and wrote that the muslims were liars and their creed of jihad prevented them from making peace with non muslims. This was 200 years ago. Where do you think the line from the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli came from in the marine corps. We fought the jihadists in the late 1700s and early 1800s under adams. Look it up. These terrorists haven’t changed their spots. read what the founders of this country said about muslims then.

  • loverofcoffee

    Religion of any kind should not be brought in the public schools in any way shape or form. Thomas Jefferson reiterated the first amendment’s protection from state sponsored religion in his letter to the Danbury Baptists when he talked about keeping the wall of separation between church and state high and wide.

  • SBSteelers

    Maybe these students ought to watch Arab TV – translated – and find out what the majority of Muslims are taught in their schools – and find that it’s not much different than Nazi Germany.

  • Gail

    Bull if there is no other religion than Mohammad should not be taught in public school that working people pay taxes for

  • Gail

    Then there should be Hindi,christianity and other religion that there is..

  • Gail

    well the manger should be up this CHIRST-MAS

  • kimpot54

    This is a magnet school! You must apply for your child to go there. Don’t like it? Don’t apply. We would all be much better off if EVERYONE had school choice.

  • Alton Clark

    The names of any person that glorifies Islam in America should be kept on a list to be remembered at a latter date !

  • John Scoby

    Just like religious studies of christianity leave out the bad parts like inquisitian and various other things that reflect badly on it

  • flowerchld

    Actually, no.
    Genesis 2:7, “And the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living soul.”
    Ezekiel’s vision (Ezekiel 37:5) of dry bones, where God says, “I will cause breath to enter into you, and you shall live”.

    Don’t ignore the fact that while the death of a tribesman was to be paid for with death, the death of a fetus was something that was worth a fine paid to the husband.

    The fetus of an unmarried female was to be stoned to death along with the mother.

    The fetus was hardly considered a person. In fact, according to the bible, not until you take your first breath.

  • flowerchld

    You’ve heard of the IRA, right? Muslims are NOT the only suicide bombers. Smh…..

  • flowerchld

    I see you are a devout Fox News watcher & propaganda peddler.

  • flowerchld

    Right, because poor children don’t deserve an education! *end of snark*

  • flowerchld

    And have half of America ignorant and afraid of other cultures? What could possibly go wrong?

  • flowerchld

    I can’t help but giggle. Because modern day Christianity is soooooo tolerant?

  • monacall

    Sorry what I meant to say Take the school system back. Take it away from the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT Now do you feel better.
    I’m so sick of people like u that don’t give a rats about people who are paying for all of this. Just keep paying you can afford it we have to help the “poor”. What’s your definition of poor? People who aren’t millionaires or people that are to lazy to work? Liberalism at its best. The destruction of American life.

  • WeimMom

    Actually, I am NOT as I can NO longer afford cable tv! Should not assume……..

  • Dr. Stat

    And your error is labeling. What is Christianity? Is it everybody who calls themselves by that name? The Devil could call himself a Christian. Then Christianity can be almost anything and have almost any teaching, making the term itself meaningless.
    What is Islam? Is it everyone who calls themselves by that name? Well, yes, actually, because once you say you are a Muslim the community will enforce that and kill you if you try to leave.

  • Dr. Stat

    Where are the 5 Pillars of Calvinism? That would be an example of equal treatment.

  • madmilt

    “if students are going to be taught about Islam, they should also be made aware of what she views as violent ideology.”

    Before I address this, please note that I am not Islam myself.

    Today you see the seamy side, with such active groups as Al Qaida, but Islam ideology includes plenty of tolerance. How else would they have been able to civilize Eleventh Century Spain? In fact textbooks prevalent today in Jewish religious schools refer to the subsequent years as “The Golden Age of Spain”.

    And if Islamic violence should be shown in schools, what about Christian violence (crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the Venetian Inquisition, etc) or today’s treatment of the Palestinians by Israeli troops?

  • Gramma

    Agreed. But what about the millions of children who have no family?