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Nebraska activities board says it never approved transgender policy

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By Deena Winter | Nebraska Watchdog

LINCOLN – It turns out Nebraska may not be “one of the best states to be a transgender high school athlete,” as the state was christened by Deadspin in May.

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TACKLING TOUGH ISSUE: The Nebraska high school activities association has backed away from a transgender policy that it was being hailed for being a leader for passing. In fact, it hadn’t passed.

In fact, mass confusion seems to reign in Nebraska after the executive director of the Nebraska School Activities Association told multiple national media outlets that Nebraska had a policy protecting the rights of transgender students, but began backpedaling after Nebraska Watchdog picked up on the story.

In June, Rhonda Blanford-Green told Nebraska Watchdog the NSAA board of directors passed a transgender policy in December. But after other Nebraska press began reporting the story, NSAA officials disputed Blanford-Green, saying the policy was discussed, but not approved.

Then Blanford-Green said the NSAA board would vote on the policy during Wednesday’s meeting, but that didn’t happen. Instead, the NSAA board has decided to send the policy to its districts for perusal.

NSAA board of directors chairman Alan Garey told Nebraska Watchdog the transgender policy was discussed by Blanford-Green at a board meeting in November, but the board never adopted it. That’s the sort of issue that must go through the membership in a process that will take a school year, he said. That means if the six districts don’t want to adopt the policy, it may be dropped.

“Something this important needs to be run through our membership,” Garey said.

Several people showed up at the NSAA board meeting to talk about the transgender issue, assuming it would be voted on.

“We don’t have a policy on transgender issues,” NSAA board member Brian Maher of Kearney told them. “There is no governing document on transgender issues for the NSAA today.”

Greg Logsdon, representing Nebraska Catholic schools, said Catholic schools have “serious concerns” about how a transgender policy would affect their “philosophies and moral teachings.” Blanford-Green’s proposal would recognize transgendered students’ right to participate in interscholastic activities without discrimination, and certain criteria would determine whether they could participate in sports and activities with the gender with which they identify.

“My concern is how this would affect Catholic schools in the state and how this policy would affect our participation in some of those activities,” Logsdon said. “I do feel that this is something that is serious.”

Dave Bydalek, executive director of Family First Nebraska, told Nebraska Watchdog that Christian and parochial schools could be faced with a dilemma of whether to continue participating in the NSAA or signing off on something that violates their religious tenets.

“There could be some major consequences,” Bydalek said.

Logsdon said he expects “serious and very spirited discussions” about the proposed policy in the districts.

Jessica Gall, education project director for the Anti-Defamation League in Omaha, told the NSAA board the league appreciates its consideration of transgender issues and offered to help craft a “fair, inclusive” policy. She acknowledged the issue can be polarizing, but urged the board to adopt a solid policy.

“We believe school activities are important for all students in the state of Nebraska,” she said. “And everyone deserves access to those activities. Everyone deserves to be safe and secure in our schools. ”

Joni Stacy, an Omaha attorney and regional director for Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays, told the NSAA board it has legal cover to protect transgender students. She urged the board to avoid knee-jerk reactions and not make a decision until it’s educated.

“Once you’re educated, that fear will disappear,” she said.

Nolan Beyer, director of activities and athletics for Millard Public Schools, sought guidance from the NSAA on how to proceed while a policy is contemplated. There are transgender students in his schools and he expects to get requests soon.

“I’m not here to suggest what those guidelines are,” he said. “We will be questioned regardless of what suggestions you give to the member schools.”

Maher said there’s no way he could support giving schools guidance before he’s educated on the issue. He advised Beyer to consult his school’s legal counsel. He told Beyer the transgender policy has never been an agenda item. At that point, Blanford-Green interjected, noting she gave a report on the issue in November, but Maher interrupted, saying firmly, “It was not an agenda item.”

After the meeting, Garey said the alleged approval of a policy was a misunderstanding. Asked if anyone was disciplined over it, he said he couldn’t comment on personnel matters.

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  • Dave

    I am curious about the comment made by Dave Bydalek, executive director of Family First Nebraska. He stated “that Christian and parochial schools could be faced with a dilemma of whether to continue participating in the NSAA or signing off on something that violates their religious tenets”. That leaves me quite confused. Where in the bibbel does it state that no “christians” are to interact with anyone that disagrees with, or lives differently from, their own narrow point of view?
    Every day “christians” sell products and services to non”christians”. They sit with them at restuarants, go to the same day care centers, movies, watching nebraska football games, etc.
    Please explain.

  • sherri

    how would you feel about a girl on the football team or a guy on the volleyball team? my son’s football team had a girl on the team and one of the players smacked her on the butt thinking she was a guy.

  • Dave

    That’s the protocal of football. As long as it’s not done with sexual intention, fine.
    Now, when a male football player grabs a cheerleaders or female fans crotch because he is put on a pedistal, which does happen, how do you feel about that?

  • Dave

    Oh! By the way, there are boy’s vollyball teams. Mixed I would have no problem with. Look at the sand lots all over towns.

  • Libertarian01a

    Using the same restroom and shower facilities at the same time come quickly to mind. Other states permit/demand such actions. I don’t see it as just a Christian thing. I guess there are many of us old fashion fogies out there who wonder whatever happened to modesty and using the restroom your body was made for? What some see as progressive, to others is tasteless and wrong. So who gets to shove their belief down the other one’s throat? Seems the shoe is on the other foot for intolerance. Change the body, then change the facilities. Can’t afford it? I’m sure the rich liberals or government will pay for it. Money should be no object to become what one believes with their heart what they truly are. Or put another way, what cruel person would force a child to stay in a body they hate and believe is the opposite of what they are? Only a child abuser!

  • HuGnu

    Are the players unable to learn how to behave differently or even better?
    How would you feel if you child was DENIED the opportunity to participate because the other parents were concerned about whose butt was smacked?
    Maybe it the the parents that need to learn better sportsmanship.

  • Guest

    Apparently not very libertarian. Or very educated on sex and gender.
    What is the obsession that some people have with who is showering with whom and who is looking at whom.
    Should it have ever been mandatory for all girls to shower together in the open, or for boys? There is little room for “modesty” in most open shower areas.
    Yes, making changes may cost money, but maybe the benefits do outway the cost.
    The Christian part of this may be to not act on your prejudices and try to find the silliest arguements to hide your hate of the OTHER. Perhaps our schools should be able to teach kids how to be even better citizens than their parents.
    Besides, it is not the rich liberals who will have a problem with spending money on kids, it is the rich conservatives who feel their money is not to be used on others, but just to buy the candidate of thier choosing to screw the poor.

  • James F

    I really hope Nebraska doesn’t take a turn towards Crazytown by cramming this social-engineering policy down the throats of good teachers, parents, and impressionable children. Just by the fact that students are human beings means that they have equal rights; offering extra protections and privileges to some students at the expense of others (as most liberal policies do) just creates inequality where there was none. Treat all children equally by treating them as the gender that they are physically, that is the most healthy in terms of early development, both physical and psychological. Sending boys into girls locker rooms or visa versa just confuses impressionable children and can put them in danger, physically and emotionally. Just because a young boy picks up a barbie-doll or a young girl plays in the mud doesn’t mean that either one needs a sex-change operation; children are much too young and naïve to know who they are or what they want. Irresponsible liberal parents take the excuse to experiment on their vulnerable children, pumping their fragile bodies full of artificial hormones to interrupt their bodies’ natural development and indoctrinating them with their political agenda. Someone’s physical characteristics are just as much a part of who one is as one’s emotional and psychological traits. Why do we encourage individuals and parents today to surgically mutilate themselves or their children and artificially pump them full of harmful hormones? It’s insane depravity! These people don’t need surgery or injections, they need psychological help; at some point they were confused by a detrimental influence or a deviant behavior was enabled and encouraged. Instead of forcing everyone else (children, parents, and teachers) to accommodate the experimental social-engineering agenda of some liberal parents, the children of those irresponsible and incompetent parents should be taken away by social services and given to good parents who have the children’s best interests and health in mind, not abusing them with political indoctrination as well as physical and psychological manipulation.

  • James F

    Not wanting our children to be experimented on by some liberal social-engineering agenda does not constitute “hate of the OTHER”, it is called responsible parenting and having the children’s best interest in mind. I do not send my children to school to be indoctrinated by liberal politics; they are not pawns to be molded for service to the Democrat party. They are too young to know yet who they are and what is good for them–besides it is my responsibility to raise my children, and I know my children a lot better than you or any teacher or gov’t bureaucrat. As a Christian and a conservative, it is a central part of my belief and ideology to help those who are truly in need, and so I regularly give my time and resources to such causes. The gov’t has never been either an efficient nor effective charity: historically, social welfare programs in the U.S. have mostly served to expand the percentage of population in poverty and keep the poor dependent on gov’t aid without providing motivation for the poor to elevate themselves out of their predicament; of course, the purpose of this is to keep foster a growing, uninformed and compliant voter base for the Democrat Party. Stats clearly show that while a majority of our nation’s wealth resides with Democrats (who on average tend to be more highly educated and have higher incomes), Republicans contribute over twice as much of their income to private charities as Democrats. Liberals like to be generous with other people’s money, just not their own.

  • James F

    I agree with almost everything you said except for the suggestion to allow people to surgically mutilate and chemically manipulate themselves to reflect their own psychosis. In any other circumstance, someone who wanted to do that to themselves would require psychological evaluation and treatment, but in the case of modern society which is influenced by the liberal social-engineering agenda, it’s okay to experiment on yourselves and others; and doctors enable such harmful behavior, so much for their oath to “do no harm”.

  • James F

    As a parent, if my child received unwanted physical contact, I would take the incident up immediately with the offender’s parents, and possibly escalate to the school administration or police if the situation necessitated such a response. If my child was the offender, she or he would certainly be punished at home so as to learn that behavior was unacceptable and my child would also be held accountable for any administrative or legal repercussions. Children are young, impressionable, vulnerable, and naïve; they shouldn’t be exposed to harmful influences which would confuse their natural physical and psychological development. Why do you think it’s okay to experiment on children with your liberal social-engineering political agenda? That is irresponsible and not in the children’s’ best interest; they are not pawns for experimentation.

  • DISGUSTED

    What do government handouts have to do with any of this? YOU are the one politicizing the identity of these adolescents, not the Democrats. You are not transgender, nor are you the parent of a transgender child so please do not pretend to know anything about this topic until you have done the necessary research. You could use a valuable education on matters of compassion.

  • Inconvenient Truth

    If you’d read the post to which James F was replying, you’d have realized immediately that he was only appropiately responding to the false allegations of the previous poster about partisan spending trends (see last paragraph of “Guest” poster’s reply to Libertarian01a). James F seemed to me to be expressing a lot of compassion and concern for the young, impressionable children, and pointing out how liberals are forcing a political agenda on their and others’ children, all for some social-engineering experiment. I’m guessing that having transgender children wouldn’t be a prerequisite in your mind for someone who was instead supportive of these extra privileges for the confused kids, even though that person would be in the same circumstance of experiential ignorance? No, then they’d just be enlightened and “tolerant” because they supported your political agenda. You liberals are so hypocritical… Leave our children alone!

  • HuGnu

    I think you are safe in Crazytown, as there should be no children within 200 miles of you.
    Thank God sane people will be making policy even if nuts like you have input with unresearched and strangely biased points of view that have no basis in reality.
    You can keep your prejudicial thoughts, and PLEASE keep them away from all children.

  • HuGnu

    You must have your degree in Pyschology from Neanderthal University. So far out of touch with the reality. I would say that your psychosis and the tone that you can set the rules for all the rest of human is much more dangerous that anything a policy such as this would entail.

  • HuGnu

    OK – You are clearly a Nut and should not engage in public discussions. You throw around a lot of terminology that makes you sound to others as dangerous – not intelligent as you might assume.
    This is not about politics nor about your hate of things Liberal (the term means free thinker) it is about compassion for others, something you seem to lack to the degree that you may not be able to be classified as a human being and member of society.
    You are clearly one who HATES the other, and please to not insult anyone by pretending that you know anything at all about what you are talking about. You need to stop blasting your hate, and stop hiding that you are not acting on your own bias. It is so very clear that this is all your rants are about.

  • HuGnu

    An interesting attempt to save James from being appropriately defined as the hate monger that he is. You do not need to try to explain what he is doing, as he did that quite well himself. This is not his only post, so it is very clear what his agenda is, and it is not to add anything to the discussion, but to rant without any understanding, and OBVIOSULY without compassion.
    No one, but you is doing anything wrong to your children. Your expectation that they have the same limited and prejudicial outlook as you is the harm that you do.
    Being able to participate in school activities is not a Privilege, but an expectation. It is you that wants the privilege to exempt thouse who you do not like.
    No one is saying that children of bigots cannot participate. they just need to follow the rules of good sportsmanship. Something that I doubt you are able to show by example.

  • HuGnu

    And as parent, the sex or the gender of the offender should be irrelevant. How is that so difficult for you to understand?
    Your political babble is best used on some bad talk radio call in show. As you are very aware, the hyphenated insult is a meaningless term.
    If you are unable to understand others, perhaps you should not be telling people how to raise their children.

  • Libertarian01a

    Guest,

    Typical for the liberal. Do not answer the question. Why should changes and trauma be assumed by others? The answer to the problem is simple, change the sex of the child. If you don’t agree your whole argument is nothing but hypocritical BS. But your answer is always make someone else pay the price. The issue of children running around naked together at some age becomes immoral. I realize you do not believe in morality but quite frankly, do not force your beliefs on society. Save it for home. The Bible does say, nothing is new, it is all the same. As a child of the 60s, I remember sex, drugs, and rock and roll. Free love, do as you wish, don’t worry about anyone else. Didn’t work then, won’t work now. I also believe that thoughts such as your have landed many an adult in prison as a pedophile. Couch it anyway you like. Physco babble or your opinion of what is good for all children. It is still a child porn fantasy supported by perverts and pedophiles. Which are you?

  • Inconvenient Truth

    Real mature response, you basically whined like a bratty 6-year old and said, “Nu uh, you are!” because you couldn’t come up with a rational response. You’re the one in Crazytown, you and your liberal cronies who are trying to manipulate young, vulnerable children with this social-engineering agenda. Please do the decent thing and don’t reproduce. Stay away from our children and don’t corrupt this morally and economically strong, conservative state with your failed, discriminatory and irresponsible liberal policies which have spelled the end for others like California, Illinois, Michigan, New York, etc. These confused children need psychological treatment, not liberal indoctrination.

  • Libertarian01a

    There in lies the problem. We deny our children nothing and therefore are raising generations of narcissistic bullies. Sometimes they just need to be told no. What concerns me is not my child or grandchild being told no. It is them seeing a member of the opposite sex going to the bathroom with them or showering with them when they know it is wrong. It is not about sportsmanship. It is about morality. Maybe some parents need to learn how to say no and learn about morality and how to teach to their children.

  • Dave

    Hey James, it is too bad you do not even realize you have white tinted blinders on. This coming from another old white guy who has seen real life. “Just because they are students they have equal rights”? You must have grown up in a small white community. In mixed cities with mostly white educators, many of which also came from your community, non-whites were always at a disadvantage. Two students, one white and one black commiting the same infractions– I have personally seen the non-whites often getting much stiffer punishments. This carries on to interactions with the police, at work, and in the community at large.
    Your critique of boys and girls playing in the mud not meaning they need a sex change operation is right on, and only superficially true. There is much documentation and medical and psychological concensuss that nature, an evil mean spirited god, or just dna allignment has created many transgendered individuals. Most, if not all transgendered would prefer to be one or the other. It is only recently that medical science has really allowed those individuals to choose to have their bodies match their being, rather than forcing their “being” to match their bodies.
    If a healthy boy is stuck in a girls body, or visa versa, they should be free to participate in whatever activities they wish. The impressionable, very lucky youth that do not suffer these problems may learn and become better people than us in the process.

  • Inconvenient Truth

    More immaturity from you! You liberals can’t deliver a rational response to save your lives! All that spews forth from you is hateful and unfounded slander, so intolerant and misinformed. Sorry, if we normal folks don’t follow the latest fashions that liberals try to force on everyone else. We like to stick to the facts, not fads based on conjured up pseudo-science and driven by a radical political agenda. Stay away from our children!

  • Dave

    So many of the posters here are unable to admit that their so called modisty and morality is based on a time when the gay, lesbian, transgendered, blacks, far eastern, native americans etc. were forced to live in the shadows in shame and fear. The WASP, “Stick your head in the ground and you dont see it.” mentality protected their religious views “truthful”. Gad was incapable of mistakes, so it would have to be some type of evil gad that created these people, no, wait, they chose to be leapers!
    It is unbelieveable how extremely stupid people are.

  • Libertarian01a

    It was meant as a tongue in cheek comment showing the hypocrisy of the Guest who would not endorse such a policy because it is even more ridiculous than the one he supports and he doesn’t have the courage of his convictions.

  • Inconvenient Truth

    That boy or girl isn’t psychologically healthy if he or she thinks they need to be in different bodies, that’s called psychosis. They don’t need to be harmed further by being manipulated physically or psychologically just to validate their emotional confusion. Worse, there are parents who purposefully indoctrinate and experiment on their and others’ impressionable children through liberal social-engineering in order to push a radical political agenda. That is abhorrent and irresponsible parenting. Of course you hypocritically intolerant liberals always have throw in some slanderous, irrelevant strawman attack about people who oppose your radical agenda being like the Democrat racists half a century ago. All you’ve got is demagoguery, false allegations, and conjured up pseudo-science. All the real science points to psychological influences like mental, physical or sexual abuse, dysfunctional families, and exposure to deviant behavior or encouragement there of which corrupts natural, healthy childhood development.

  • DISGUSTED

    There are some sick people posting comments on this article. Deviants condoning social-engineering experimentation on young, impressionable children–physically mutilating and chemically manipulating their fragile, developing bodies with artificial hormones and then forcing everyone else to accommodate and validate it. A sad shame… Liberals get more depraved and intolerant everyday. Perhaps they think that because they aborted all their own children they are better parents and should be entitled to dictate the lives of other parents’ children. Liberals want everyone else to be just screwed up as they are. They’re trying to get pedophilia recognized as just another valid “alternative” sexual orientation… Sickos. Now liberals want to justify manipulating vulnerable children for the sake of a radical, political agenda. Our society is descending further and further into moral and social decadence, thanks to destructive liberal policies.

  • Eric

    Real mature response, you basically whined like a bratty 6-year old and
    said, “Nu uh, you are!” because you couldn’t come up with a rational response.

  • Eric

    “More immaturity from you!”–Starting off with yelling;

    “You liberals can’t deliver a rational response to save your lives! All that spews forth from you is hateful and unfounded slander, so intolerant and misinformed.”–Generalizing a group;

    “Sorry, if we normal folks don’t follow the latest fashions that liberals try to force on everyone else. We like to stick to the facts, not fads based on conjured up pseudo-science and driven by a radical political agenda.”–Hollow comment here. Replace liberals with conservatives, and I’m sure you could find the exact statement on another forum;

    Stay away from our children!–Right back at ya!

    You’re right, facts are good, but have you tried understanding people who are different than you? Try it, it can be an enlightening experience. You don’t have to accept every idea as your personal creed, nor shout from the mountaintops that ideas unaligned with yours are wrong.

  • Eric

    Your sarcastic rants are almost convincing! You almost had me believe you were serious, until the part about condoning pedophilia.

  • ProgressiveOasis

    Look no further than that “hero” of the proggies than Bradley…oops I mean Chesela…Manning. Convicted traitor and certified mental case who now claims he’s transgender…when in reality he and all others like him are mentally ill deviants. Until the hippies seized control of the AMA, “gays” were officially classified as mentally ill which they are. If you need lots of help from modern medicine/surgery then you’ve got a very serious mental problem that should be treated…ECT was used very effectively until the mid-1960s for treatment. BTW, no other than super-proggie Ruth Ginzberg doesn’t recognize pedophiles as criminals…so don’t say the NAMBLA types aren’t pushing this “gay rights” crap to serve their own very sick interests. I just wonder which of you proggie morons wants your teenage daughter showering with a teenage male…even if he is supposedly trapped in a male body???

  • Libertarian01a

    The question still remains. Why don’t you advocate a sex change operation for the child who is trapped in the wrong body? Is it not more traumatic to have them grow up in the wrong gender body? Or doesn’t that answer serve your agenda. Talk about uneducated, hypocritical and forcing your beliefs on society. There is no doubt, just like Guest, you also must be a pedophile trying to expand your sick fantasy to the world.

  • Libertarian01a

    Your lack of education is showing again. Participation in extra curricular activities at school is a privilege. Don’t keep your grades up, off the team. Don’t follow the teams rules, off the team. The person who is not in the norm here is you. Just as you got the above wrong, the issue is not sportsman ship, it is morality and civility. If you want your children to be naked and accepted, take them to South East Asia. They like naked little children there a lot. Research that one!

  • Libertarian01a

    So states the pedophile who has not meet a child he wouldn’t just love to spend time with. The only one here who has used the word hate is you. You need to stop blasting your child porn and hatred of those who have morals. Stop hiding you are not acting on your own bias. It is so clear that your rants are about pedophilia.

  • Disgusted Second Class Citizen

    What’s deviant is opposing a fundamental right of a child to be an individual. All you so called parents who are afraid that your child isn’t who you think they ought to be have no rights to be called a parent. While I’m not a transgender person, I extend the respect that they are owed as an equal to me. And what’s worse is you all who hate the fact that individuals do freely express themselves regardless of your vociferous opposition towards their identity and individuality. It makes me wonder what kind of narrow minded, closed off reality you live in? Heaven forbid if your children come out as LGBT? And heaven help them if you try to fix that according to your own disgusted moral turpitude.

  • Bam

    That was brilliant, Libertarian. We have got an entire generation of entitled brats, thinking that they shouldn’t and can’t be denied anything they want. The other day I saw the license plate on a young woman/late teen that read “ENVY ME.” Who raises such a self-centered individual but someone who’s been trained to become self-centered themselves?

  • Guest

    Anyone who uses the phrase liberal cronies is showing their own paranoia about the modern world. You may want to remain in your cave, but you need to leave the rest of the world alone.
    I will leave alone your sticking out the tongue routine. No go to your room without any supper. You have been very naughty.

  • HuGnu

    Stop with the pretend pyschoanalysis. You have no education as to anything you are talking about, and if revealed would be the most embarrassed person in the room.
    You spout a hate that you do not even recognize as hate, as you have turned off the very human nature that we are all born with.
    It is probably some sexual issue that you need to deal with that you are really talking about, but projecting all the illness onto others. You should attend to this at once before it eats up what is remaining of your soul.
    You sound like someone we should pity as a neighbor, but still keep you away from any child. Your ideas are very dangerous. And they have nothing to do with being conservative, that term or label means nothing about you. You are just ignorant of the facts and scared of something deep in you.
    But stay away from our schools. YOU are a danger to out children’s future.

  • Guest

    Disgusted is probably a pedophile getting excited as he writes.

  • HuGnu

    There is nothing in what you write that deserves anything rational. Your idiotic rant is about you and has nothing to do with the issue. You are the poor pathetic soul that need hate to feel a little bit better about himself.

  • Guest

    I am guessing that you are member in good standing of NAMBLA. You have some pretty perverse thoughts you are sharing. You really scare me.
    STAY AWAY FROM ANYTHING RELATED TO CHILDREN. You are dangerous.

  • Guest

    You are one messed up mother. But the problem is that you think you can placed your problems on others. No one would follow a freak like you in thinking about anything improtant.
    GET HELP NOW!

  • Guest

    Do you children check out only the same sex partners in the shower and the bathroom? What kind of morality are you talking about. If you have raised your children to be so weird about going to the bathroom with another, just what are you saying about them?
    I guess if you need that much help raising moral kids, then you need a fascist state to enforce your “morals” which have nothing to do with morality, but are just rules you want them to follow. Morallity has to do with thought and attitude.
    I hope no child shares your attitude. That would indeed be sad.

  • Guest

    You are little more that the shit you spread. If you had any morality, you would be ashamed of yourself. Instead, you just promote hate and actually think someone else should be forced to read it.
    Thank god the only ones that really hear what you say are your other lonely and soulless hatemongers with sad lives.

  • Guest

    OK so you used to hide in the back of the classroom and look at the pictures in National Geographic. We get that. You have sexual issues. We understand that.
    But you are wrong in that is a privilege. Every child has a right to participate in the activities when they follow the other rules. You get so busy trying to prove me wrong that you do not even think about what you say.
    PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE leave our kids alone.

  • Guest

    WHAT THE HELL are you talking about? You have some pretty strange issues to suddenly move the conversation to your child pornography.
    WOW – you are a scary person. Please seek help immediately. And anyone who really know this person urge him to get the help he needs. Do not let him hurt anyone, and maybe he can he can have a little bit of peace in his own life. His anger at the world is not very healthy. Help him if you can.

  • Libertarian01a

    Once again. Never answer the question, just make stupid attacks against others. It is people like you who wish to mix the children in naked scenarios that are the sick ones. Once again, your pedophile fantasy is shown for all to see. It is you who advocates anything goes not me. So nice try to turn the tables, but a pedophile you are and shall stay until put away for the good of all children you are close too. Not to original using the NAMBLA thing again. If it is perverse to have them surgically altered so that your definition of their sexuality is intact, then it is your definition that is perverse. To have them go through life in a body they hate is truly the work of a sadist. A sadist and a pedophile? And you say I should stay away from them. Maybe as a nature lover, you should take nature at face value and realize it is your world that is perverse and dark. A rose by any other name is still a rose. Leave them as they are. Not as you want them to be.

  • Libertarian01a

    So says the guy who hides in bushes with his pants down and jumps out at little children when they walk by! I don’t need to prove you wrong, it is plain for all to see. By the way, pedophilia is against the law.

  • Libertarian01a

    Hey pedophile,

    Until you can answer the question, return to the bushes where you came from. There are no children for you to molest or abuse here.

  • Libertarian01a

    Once again. Avoid any answers. Attack attack. If you can’t add anything substantial, go back in the bushes you came from. There are no children here for you to molest or abuse.

  • Libertarian01a

    Obviously you can not comprehend. It is you who wants to change the world for a few. The answer is change the few to what they want to be. Why not grant them what they want? Put them in the body they demand. Oh that’s right, it is me who wants to place their problems on society. You want to keep them in the closet and deny them any help? You can actually talk our of both sides of your a_ _.

  • Libertarian01a

    I can see by those who write in support of you that you have a following of maybe one or 2. Now there’s a following to be proud of:)

  • Nicholas

    What morality system are you using is my question? If your view is that the individual’s morality is greater than societal or traditional mores or norms, then serious questions do arise on the limitations of those moral freedoms.

    For example, though it’s been posted already I’ll try to keep it to a more proper form, if a man or woman wants to break with the moral norm, and start molesting children, by an individual standard of morality, who may punish them?

    Now, that being said, being a slave to a societal system of morality certainly disenfranchises certain individuals, on grounds that may be difficult to qualify as moral. Example: I was raised Catholic, but does it really matter if I give up something for Lent?

    For an adult to criticize another adult who decides to get a sex change operation is open for discussion. However, I tend to agree with the parents here who think children aren’t going to be mature enough, morally or intellectually, to decide these things (most of the time).

  • DISGUSTED

    You don’t even know what the word libertarian means.

  • Libertarian01a

    Anarchy.

  • Dave

    Is your real name Daffy Duck? You completely villify anything you do not wish to understand. There is you, and the physical body that carries you around. The body is just a shell, mother nature or gad screws up and puts a male self in a female body or visa versa. It happens in all species, and has since the earliest times. Perhaps you were taught by your church, parents, coaches, etc., etc., etc., that men are men women are women…. The fact is they were WRONG. Try to learn before speaking.

  • Dave

    Your body is no more than a car body, a shell that carries you around. “You” is the mind, the thoughts and beliefs that are stuck in that body. Religion says that, doctors, psychiatrists, most people know that. Both the body and mind are subject to the many ways our dna line up, whats turned off and on. Thats why we have men, women and transgender. Heros to cowards, intellectuals to morons, thinkers to followers.

  • Libertarian01a

    So we are no more than an animal that speaks. Heros are not borne they are made by circumstance. Usually reluctantly. Many a macho man has turned out to be a coward. But that depends on your definitions. Is it not better to be a live coward than a dead hero? IQ doesn’t make right. Might makes right. That is the DNA of the world. Only the fittest survive. If you can’t do manually what it takes to survive, you’ll be the first one gone. Brains can not plant or harvest corn. Neither can their inventions do so if someone doesn’t build them and run them. Unless, there is morality and civility, intellectuals and thinkers will be the first gone. Those two, which you do not include, place limits on most of the humans you like to call cars with a brain. Those who are not limited by those two restraints are those who perpetrate the most hideous evil. Sociopaths, psychopaths etc. But now we come full circle. Broken down cars are sent to the junk yard. Many with working engines. If you don’t like the body of the car, you can modify it to whatever you want. So if the body is no more than a shell, then have the courage of your convictions and declare the only compassionate solution is that which dictates that the first and best solution is changing the body style. Only a sadist or uneducated person would disagree with that solution. Forcing them to remain a freak in their own eyes until maybe sometime in the future is the height of cruelty. Or do you believe that the ridicule and bullying of their peers is more tolerable? Children are not a kind bunch especially to those they perceive to be “different”. Answer the question. Try for once to stand up for your convictions.

  • DISGUSTED

    You are no libertarian, or anarchist.

  • DISGUSTED

    Transgender identities are not a social experiment. Transgender individuals have been around for as long as people have been around. It is not a curable condition, but part of someone’s identity. Psychologists do not just randomly assign a diagnosis of transgenderness, or gender identity disorder to anyone.

    Additionally, students who have been identified as transgender should be allowed to play on the sports team with which they identify, and use the facilities that align with their True gender. Believe me, students who are transgender are vey ashamed of their anatomical bodies and do not wish to parade them in front of anyone. If you try to find an instance where a transgender person acted predatory in a bathroom or a shower, you’ll be unsuccessful because it just doesn’t happen.

    Furthermore, the shower and bathroom component is not what is being debated here. These students are transgender whether they play on a sports team or not. Your child will still go to school with these students whether they play on the baseball team they feel most comfortable with or not. Denying them that right is only punitive, not correctional.

    Finally, we are talking about high school students, who, like it or not, are more aware of themselves (perhaps painfully so) than any other age group. Students in high school generally know for certain whether they are transgender or not. At this point, it is not the imaginative play that occurs in childhood. For students who are truly transgender, it is not something you “grow out of” or “fix,” it is who they are, not an invention from any political party.

  • Libertarian01a

    That is so true. The moniker is a left over from my Libertarian party days. But a true libertarian society would be a society of anarchy.

  • Libertarian01a

    But yet, in places like Calif. and what they want in the rest of the U.S is that the child makes the determination, not the adult. So the point is, each decision has consequences. If you are not ready for the consequences then don’t make that decision. Others should not have to suffer or change their core beliefs for something that may not be more than a passing fad. As to morals, I believe in absolutes. If everyone has their own morals, then there are no morals. If man can make laws, morals etc, then he can change them at his own whim. Might makes right. Whoever is in charge makes the rules. And such is our world today.

  • Guest

    You almost never make any sense. It is either poor writting skills or not having anything worth saying in the first place. Perhaps you should just remain silent and stop embarrassing yourself.

  • Guest

    If you think that this stupidity strengthens your arguement you are even dumber that you appear.

  • Guest

    Apparently this is all that you can share about the Christian Religion, as you appear to not be anything close to a practiing Christian. Christ would negate most all of your comments. But that is not why you ae invoking Christian name. You are really talking about some political take over of Christian with is more evil than anything, and has NOTHING to do with Christ.

  • Libertarian01a

    No doubt. The fact you can not tell sarcasm and satire from anything else shows your inability to comprehend even the easiest of concepts. No Christ would not be happy with this conversation. Yet you know nothing about him since you don’t see that he never tried to change society or a government. He tried to transform individuals. Did he love everyone? Of course. But in then end, the last word he gave to sinners was go and sin no more. For God is also just and righteous. You don’t get to heaven just because you believe in love. But that is between you an Him. Christians are not to judge those outside the faith. I do not judge you nor the transgender folks as you judge everyone. I do point out your hypocrisy and inability to participate in a civil debate without resorting to personal attacks. I must say I thought I was pass those days of giving back what was given out. I’m backsliding but will endeavor to do better.