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HARD LESSON: A German family of home-schoolers faces deportation, thanks to the Obama administration.

HARD LESSON: A German family of home-schoolers faces deportation, thanks to the Obama administration.

By Kenric Ward | Watchdog.org

First, they came for the Germans.

A family seeking asylum in Tennessee is in danger of being shipped back to Germany after U.S. courts determined that their home-schooling practices do not merit protection.

Uwe and Hannelore Romeike fled Germany with their six children in 2008 because they wanted to educate their youngsters at home. A Nazi-era law prohibits home-schooling.

But, so far, American courts and the Obama administration have been unsympathetic to the Romeikes’ situation, according to the Washington Times. Deportation is in the works.

For a look at what the Romeikes face upon returning to the fatherland, the case of Dirk and Petra Wunderlich is instructive.

On Aug. 29, German police stormed the Wunderlich’s home in Darmstadt, Germany, and seized their four children, ages 7-14. The couple was found guilty of home-schooling their children.

The Purcellville, Va.-based Home School Legal Defense Association said the children “are still in custody, with no return date any time soon, and they have not been in contact with the parents.”

The Romeikes, evangelical Christians, fear that they, too, will lose custody of their children if their bid for U.S. asylum is rejected and they are forced to return to Germany.

Germany’s 1938 law, enacted during Adolf Hitler‘s regime, is a tool for state terrorism. U.S. Immigration Judge Lawrence Burman said as much in 2010, when he stated, “The (German) government is attempting to enforce this Nazi-era law against people that it purely seems to detest because of their desire to keep their children out of (public) school.”

But President Obama’s Justice Department doesn’t see it that way. The DOJ’s Board of Immigration Appeals overturned Burman’s ruling at the request of the administration. A circuit court hearing was denied.

In mid-April, HSLDA sent the White House a petition with more than 100,000 signatures asking the president to act. Petitions obtaining that many signatories require at least a pro-forma response under the administration’s own rules, but there has been no comment.

While the Romeikes prepare a Supreme Court appeal to remain in the “Land of the Free,” they and the Wunderlichs are getting a rough lesson in the fearsome power of the state — on both sides of the Atlantic.

Kenric Ward is a national reporter for Watchdog.org and chief of the Virginia Bureau. Contact him at [email protected] or at (571) 319-9824. @Kenricward

This story was originally published Sept. 7 at 9 a.m.


Kenric Ward was a former San Antonio-based reporter for Watchdog.org.

  • Candice Staebell

    They need to help get the law off the books in Germany. I don’t think many people here are really qualified to home school, even though there are regulations now.

  • grace

    They should just move & disappear among the 11+million illegal immigrants…the Obama administration does enforce any laws on those here

  • grace

    It should state “doesn’t”

  • Robert Lloyd, ANA Board of Dir

    It doesn’t matter Candice whether you believe many parents are ‘qualified’ to home-school ‘their’ children. What matters is what the parents want to do for ‘their’ children. They are not ‘yours’ and certainly not the ‘states’ children. They are the properly of their parents… ONLY.

  • Candice Staebell

    I never thought of my children as my property. They both went to public school, where I was an active volunteer. I watched them learn their social skills as well as their academic skills. They have both completed college and are fully functioning citizens. I exposed them to church and they both are still church goers. I never felt I was giving them to the state to raise. Not sure why you feel like that.

  • QuarterSwede

    Because in the US the public schools are decent at best. Homeschoolers routinely test at the top and much of the time become greatly successful. Public schools here teach children what to think NOT how to think. Big difference. I went to a public school and didn’t learn much on how to function away from the system. That happened when I was forced to at university. The system is incredible broken in the states.

  • Darrel Cox

    What exactly “qualifies” a parent to teach their children through home-schooling? For that matter, what precisely qualifies a husband and wife to even be parents and raise children in the first place?

    When the State by default assumes the authority over children that rightly belongs to their parents, do you really think that is healthy for society? Families are, after all, the very nucleus of the society.

  • Candice Staebell

    Different states seem to have different qualifications. I knew some families in NC that were home schooling and I worried for the children, scholastically. Here in Virginia it has become a good process. They have guide books, kids get together with others for field trips and play times. I think it has evolved in to a good system for some families. Discipline (parental, to keep on “task”) is an important part of the success. I really feel that I had control of my children in their learning as I paid attention to what they were being taught, had communication with the teachers, and kept control of their time. I knew their friends and their friends’ parents. We did and still do many things as a family, even though they are grown and have children of their own. I believe it’s basically the parents responsibility to do all of the above, even though they are in the public school system. I can only speak from my own experience, though.

  • Darrel Cox

    At bottom, most parents are far better equipped (even in their fumbling and mistakes) than the state, to make educational choices for their children. Are there bad case scenarios? Yes. But stack them up against the bad case scenarios in public education and the scales (and objective outcomes) clearly demonstrate that the state is not very effective.

    That is just a pragmatic assessment. It does not even address the arguably more important issue of whether the state’s authority trumps parental authority concerning how children are educated. It is not a question of “ownership,” but of authority/jurisdiction. If a parent chooses to public education, that is their choice to make for their family. The same is true if they choose to homeschool. All things being equal, the parents are the best individuals to make the choice, not a state bureaucracy.

    We homeschool our children but we are also a part of a consortium called “Classical Conversations” that meets once a week. It makes for a very good mixture in our family.

    In terms of who is most qualified to teach–parents or public educators: I attended public school from K-12 back in the day. My conclusions are that with some exceptions, the entire social experiment called public education has without question proven itself a dismal failure in the United States as a whole. If its fate were considered on the merit of actual effectiveness and educational outcomes, it would have folded long ago and been replaced with alternatives that would actually educate young Americans. But it continues to exist for other reasons.

    Over two decades of serving as a college professor has also allowed me an opportunity to observe, compare and contrast how prepared a fairly good sampling of American youth are upon entering into higher education.

  • alasandra

    The HSLDA should never have PAID for the Romeikes to come here. They merely did so in order to trump up controversy over homeschooling and to get attention for their organization. Germany is part of the European Union which means the Romeikes are free to move to another country in the European Union that allows homeschooling.

    Germany is also a democracy. If they do not like the homeschooling laws in Germany they are able to work within the system to legally get them changed.

  • Robert Lloyd, ANA Board of Dir

    Candice, it is interesting that you were ‘worried for the children’…. fine and dandy, but don’t you worry about my children any more than I will worry about yours. They are YOUR children. But my children are MINE, and yes I will use the term ‘property’ until they become an adult, but I will always be their parent. Please don’t think that you can interfere or because ‘you are worried’ that somehow you can tell me how my children will be raised.

    You seem to be some sort of do-gooder and consider yourself superior somehow to other parents. I actually consider you irresponsible as a parent that you willing gave your children up to a socialist bureaucracy. But, I will say this… you have that right (even to be irresponsible) and it is not any of my business how YOU raised YOUR children.

    Please understand all parents have that same right.

  • Robert Lloyd, ANA Board of Dir

    This got me laughing… They ‘are free to move to another country?’ Wow… what a great world we are in… NOT.

  • Candice Staebell

    You will not get any argument from me regarding the rights of parents to raise their children the way they seem fit. Alas, I guess I am a do-gooder, have been that all my adult life. I do not feel any superiority, just trying to live my religion, rather than spouting it. Has nothing to do with politics and I try very hard to not be judgemental. Thank you for your input.

  • alasandra

    The point is the Romeikes have options other then returning to Germany where homeschooling is banned. One of which is to move to a country in the European Union that allows homeschooling. If they wish to stay in Germany then they have the option of following Germany’s educational laws and working to change the laws, since Germany is a democracy like the United States.

    There was no need for them to come to the United States in order to homeschool. Other then the fact HSLDA is providing them with a FREE RIDE, as HSLDA paid for them to come here and is now paying all their living expenses. If they had merely moved to another country in the EU that allowed homeschooling they would have had to find a way to support themselves.

  • Daws7

    Obama is wicked to the core. How does he sleep at night? Zero conscience, zero morality, zero wisdom. America must be scared to have as their President someone with such evil in his heart. What an utterly pathetic human being….hope you choose more wisely next election US….

  • Daws7

    Somewhat naive to suggest the Romeikes could stay in Germany and work to change the laws given how barbarically the Wunderlich’s are being treated. One would hope millions of Germans would take to the streets over their treatment. If the people remain silent we will know they have learned nothing from the events of the 1930’s/40’s….

  • alasandra

    Or maybe the vast majority of Germans like the educational laws and do not wish to change them. Germany is a democracy just like the United States. Instead of breaking the laws the Romeikes and Wunderlich families should obey the law and work to change the laws they do not like.

    You know Daws7 I bet you are one of those people that object to illegal aliens. Why is it acceptable for the Romeikes to break the law but not someone from Mexico?

  • birdrow

    The United States is not a democracy. It is a Republic !

  • alasandra

    Democracies and republics overlap. They are not opposites.

    Democracy means rule of the people. The two most common forms of democracy are direct democracy and representative democracy. In direct democracy everyone takes part in making a decision,as in a town meeting or a referendum. The specific rules may vary:
    perhaps everyone must agree, perhaps there must be consensus,perhaps a mere majority is required to make a decision.

    The other, better known form of democracy is a representative democracy. People elect representative to make decisions or laws. Again,specifics vary greatly.
    And, surprise, a representative democracy is a kind of republic. What distinguishes a republic is that it has an elected government. Representative democracies are, therefore, a kind of republic.

    The main Amendment that tipped the scales from the national government of the United States being a mere republic to being a true representative democracy was the often-overlooked Seventeenth Amendment, which took effect in 1913. Since 1913 the U.S. Senate has been elected directly by the voters, rather than being appointed by the state legislatures. That makes the national government democratic in form, as well as being a republic.


  • alasandra

    But then they wouldn’t be getting money for HSLDA to live here.

  • madmilt

    One point stands out from almost all of these comments: Both home schooled children and publicly schooled children need recourse. Both home school programs and public school programs are good, bad, or “stinkin'”, depending on where you look.

    As for the case at bar, let the Supreme Court decide before you judge.

    However, I really think it appalling that any law passed during the Nazi regime is still on the books, particularly in view of the extremely religious Germans whom I have met.

  • roger

    The United States used to be known as the “home of the free.” People would come here from all over the world because of the hope that we offered for people to be free, especially in the area of religious freedom. That is the sticking point for the Romeikes. They are Evangelical Christians who want to raise their children according to their faith. Germany will not allow that. I am sure they had expectations that the USA, that great “city on a hill” would offer them that opportunity. HSLDA is not “trumping” up a controversy, they are helping to defend the rights of a family who wishes to be free.

  • alasandra

    Germany has religious freedom. The Romeikes are free to worship any God they choose any way they choose. http://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/essays/religious-freedom-in-germany

    Religious freedom does not allow you to break other laws. For example Christians in the United States are not free to kill homosexuals, just because their religious beliefs teach them homosexuality is wrong.

    Germany has educational laws that the Romeikes choose to break. This is not about religion, this is about a family choosing to break the law in their country. Then being PAID by HSLDA to come here overstay their tourist visa and stir up controversy and get lots of free publicity for H$LDA.

    And Roger I bet you are one of those who throw a hissy fit about all the people that come here from South America looking for freedom and work.

  • alasandra

    This is the horrible law HSLDA keeps referring to as a Nazi law.

    Attendance at school is mandatory for all children in Germany from the
    age of six until the age of eighteen, and home schooling is not
    permissible. Children often have a choice between public and private
    schools. The latter may be religious or secular, and either can obtain
    governmental subsidies if they are properly accredited.[45] Aside from a few private universities, attendance at colleges and universities is free,[46] and stipends and loans are provided to students who cannot defray their living expenses while studying. [47]

    Doesn’t sound so awful when you know the truth does it? And note the option to send children to a Religious private school.

  • Robert Lloyd, ANA Board of Dir

    birdrow you are correct… and little Miss Know-nothing will no doubt have something to say about this also. Oh my, she did. As we can see, Miss Know-nothing doesn’t know that a democracy is two lions and a goat voting on what’s for dinner.

  • alasandra

    Homeschooling has only recently been legal in all 50 States. Back in 1980, home schooling was illegal in 30 states. It was not until 1993 that all 50 states made the practice lawful in the United States.

  • alasandra

    Why didn’t the Romeikes’ send their children to a religious private school as the law allows or work to get the laws in their country changed?

    I know because HSLDA offered them money to come here and stir up trouble. Must be nice to have 6 kids and not have to work because HSLDA is supporting you.

  • Susie Arviso

    I agree, Daws7. Obama is evil. I prayed very hard that he wouldn’t win the Presidency back in 08. He’s lied and broken every promise he ever made and has proven that he isn’t FOR America. It’s as if our White House was highjacked by power-hungry and money-greedy gangsters. He has also signed many laws that strip us of our civil rights and freedoms. These laws are anti-Constitutional. I am praying for God’s help.

  • Daws7

    The really sad part is “the vast majority of Germans” can’t see anything wrong with the laws….

  • Daws7

    I pray for your country also Susie. God warned the world back in 1917 through the children of Fatima and through the Blessed Virgin, that an even more terrible war would follow (2nd world war) as a chastisement if the world did not turn to God. I think we are overdue for a wake-up call such is the complete lack of respect and arrogant disregard for God’s laws which are so logical and meant to bring us peace. In 1917 the miracle of the sun was witnessed by tens of thousands of believers and non-believers and reported in communist newspapers by reporters who witnessed it. (The reporters were there to mock the children but were utterly shocked and terrified by what they saw). Pope Francis understands completely the Fatima message and its relevance to current world events. It is no accident he is begging the world to pray particularly hard at the moment for the Middle East.

  • alasandra

    The laws are pretty straightforward and fair, so I don’t think it is sad at all. This is the law that HSLDA thinks is so awful.

    Attendance at school is mandatory for all children in Germany from the age of six until the age of eighteen, and home schooling is not permissible. Children often have a choice between public and private schools. The latter may be religious or secular, and either can obtain governmental
    subsidies if they are properly accredited.[45] Aside from a few private universities, attendance at colleges and universities is free,[46] and stipends and loans are provided to students who cannot defray their living expenses while studying. [47]

    Note you can send your child to private RELIGIOUS schools at government expense. And most colleges and universities are FREE.

  • alasandra

    The Romeikes had several options. They could have sent their children to
    an accredited private religious school at government expense. They
    could have sent their children to an unaccredited private school at
    their own expense. They could have sent their children to a secular
    private or public school. Since Germany is part of the European Union
    they could have moved to another country in the EU that allowed
    homeschooling or they could work to change the educational laws in
    Germany so that homeschooling would be legal, while obeying the law.
    Germany is a Federal Republic and has a democratic government pretty
    much like ours.

    Instead they choose to ignore all the LEGAL options for educating their
    children and BROKE THE LAW. Now HSLDA who paid for the Romeikes’ to come to the United States and a bunch of Fundamentalist Christians are
    beating their chest and demanding that we allow these LAW BREAKING
    MOOCHERS to stay in the United States.

    Let’s be clear this is NOT about religious persecution. Germany has religious freedom. The German Constitution (much like our own) protects freedom of religion by guaranteeing free exercise of religion, banning the establishment of a state church, and providing some forms of affirmative governmental support to religious and ideological organizations.

    This is about a family choosing to break their countries educational
    laws with the encouragement of HSLDA and being paid to flee to the
    United States and stir up controversy.

  • Josef

    The Romeikes did not get any money to come here. The father in this family is working legally as a piano teacher. You got it all wrong…

  • Ashley Massengill

    They were not paid to flee the country. And unlike most they did come here legally. They had asylum until obama (government) decided to overturn it. They do work. And nobody has any right to tell some one what they can do with their kids. I feel our government is definitely crossing the line when it comes to this topic. I did not have my kids to send them off at the age of 5 to school and only see them a few hours a day. I had my kids to take care of them. They are MY responsibility and nobody elses. So I completely understand how they feel. If our government ever outlawed homeschooling we would flee along with many others. They did what many people have done before they just did it legally instead of hiding.

  • alasandra

    Hannelore [Romeike] tells TIME the family was contacted by the Virginia-based Home School Legal Defense Association (HSLDA), which suggested they go to the U.S. and settle in Morristown, Tenn

    So is Mr. Romeike a liar?

    They came here on a tourist visa arranged by HSLDA and overstayed the visa, so they are no longer here legally. And YOU CAN NOT LEGALLY WORK in the United States on a tourist visa.

    They had options other then breaking Germany’s laws. One of which is to work with others that wished to homeschool to get the laws changed. Like the U.S. Germany is a Federal Republic and has freedom of religion.

    They were not being persecuted because of their religion, they were breaking the law.

  • alasandra

    Really, do you have proof? Didn’t think so.

    BTW you can not legally work in the United States on a tourist visa. http://travel.stackexchange.com/questions/2157/can-you-search-for-a-job-when-using-a-tourist-visa-b-2-in-the-us

    They have overstayed their tourist visa so they are no longer her legally and do you really think a piano teacher could provide food and shelter for a wife and six kids?

  • Patricia

    This is exactly what Common Core, Race to the Top, etc. is all about. Watch it destroy the minds of our children & our parental rights.

  • SamIamHis

    @ Allasandra: The Germans have been fooled before by a government that promised all kinds of things. The proof is in the pudding. You can say they have religious freedom but if that means that a gestapo like tactic of removing children from the home of parents who choose to home school, it sounds suspiciously like what happened during Hitler’s reign. I do not favor public education as it has become a tool for indoctrination in the name of “learning”. At 62 years of age I can look back and see how public schools influenced me in what they taught as “fact/truth” in history, science and social studies and probably more that I cannot even bring to memory.

    BTW I read the Berkley Center article on Germany’s religious freedom. I was very unimpressed by the amount of government control involved in “granting” religious freedom. When you actually have to register with the government to be granted status – and I am not talking about tax status – it sounds more like China. They call religious freedom a privilege. Eric Holder calls home schooling a privilege. I would say that public education is a privilege that parents everywhere should be able to choose to participate in or not. All children deserve an education but it is not up to the state to determine how they are educated UNLESS there is something inherently wrong with the education being provided. If an accepted curriculum is being used and testing is done that meets common standards then the government should have no say.

    I know that this is another can of worms but if this family is here illegally and that is your complaint, what do you think of the millions of illegal aliens that are in our country who actually never even tried to enter legally?

  • SamIamHis

    This law you quote is very socialist. I am unimpressed. When you know the truth it should scare you to death. This is where we are headed. More and more of our life is controlled by our government through taxation and our compliance. Forgive me for disagreeing with you on what you think are thoughtfully knowlegable posts but our republic gained freedom that was hard fought and never should be taken for granted. Oh that the Germans would remember their history and that we would never forget it either!

  • Albert77

    Right wing nonsense. “Good” Christians; oxymoron. If you are too good for public schools, stay stupid.

  • Dolphin

    If they depot them then better deport ALL illegals! I have nothing against a family wanting to start a life in a better place, when I hate is these illegals coming I. Here and taking what’s rightfully ours! We worked for ours, let them work to or get the ell out.

  • Debbie

    We can open our borders for everyone else, but not for a family that needs our help. Something is going on.

  • mrparker1

    BS, so why is homeschooling banned? I’ll bet those kids will score higher in standardized testing than those students attending government schools.
    Why is Germany so afraid of homeschooling?

  • alasandra

    Homeschooling is banned in Germany for socialization reasons. Back in 1980, home schooling
    was illegal in 30 states, in the U.S.. It was not until 1993 that all 50 states made
    the practice lawful in the United States. The Romeike’s had the option to stay in Germany abide by the educational laws (sending their children to a religious private school was an option) and work with others to get the educational laws in Germany changed to allow homeschooling. Instead they CHOOSE TO BREAK THE LAW. Then HSLDA paid them to flee here and stir up trouble.

  • love2homeschool

    You keep saying Germany is a democracy just like the United States. I don’t know about Germany but, the US is NOT a democracy. We are a republic.

  • alasandra

    Democracies and republics overlap, they are not opposites. See my response to birdrow below. But Germany is a Federal Republic as is the United States, and the citizens can indeed work to change laws they do not like and elect the law makers.

  • wollfb

    This poster above is a paid plant, sent here to defame the Romeikes. The claims are all lies. The Romeikes came here legally, were granted asylum and they work for a living.

    Only a paid obama agitator or a psycho would attack someone for refusing to obey laws instituted by Adolph Hitler.


  • wollfb

    Only a paid plant would ask anyone to follow the laws of Adolph Hitler. You need to tell us who paid you to spread propaganda against this family.

  • wollfb

    Don’t waste your breath. You are arguing with a paid agitator who is working from a carefully worked out script to defame the Romeikes.

  • wollfb

    This is a paid plant sent here with a script to agitate against the Romeikes and to promote a fascist ideology. The constant repetition of the same lies in dozens of posts on this thread should be a clear indicator that they are working from a carefully structured script designed to assassinate the character of this family. Sadly, our country is full of people like this who will sell their soul for money.

  • AthenaBlakely

    Oh please! The law in Germany reads very much like the laws in many of our own states. They minor difference is that those states make a token attempt to include homeschooling while making the regulations practically impossible to meet. I have followed the practices of HSLDA for a long time and they are very much an activist group. Personally, I am glad that they are. It is because of HSLDA that many of the Homeschooling laws in country exist. However, I think that they did one of two things in this case. They were either really stupid in bringing the family here on a tourist visa or they were setting this situation up to attract as much attention as possible in the media because of the possible deportation. As I stated before I have followed their activities for a long time and stupid is not what these very dedicated men and women are at all. I have a real hard time believing that any lawyer as intelligent as Mike Farris had no idea what he was doing when he brought them here on a tourist visa. If they were going to financially support them, which they are, they could have simply brought them here on a work visa and claimed that they were employees of HSLDA, Patrick Henry College, or a myriad of other HSLDA directors’ owned businesses. They knew what they were doing. They are using this family as a means to an end in Germany. They want the press attention for the homeschooling cause. They are Evangelical Christians and hate the current administration so if they get to smear the President at the same time it is just the icing on the cake for them. As a homeschooling parent I appreciate everything that they have done to make my life easier. However, I am not blind to their agenda and do not see them as anything more than what they claim to be; Homeschool Advocates. I am an Autism Rights Advocate and I have a singular agenda. I know that i would go pretty far to get my point across and recognize that those types of actions are often the only way to facilitate change. I suggest that we all take a step back and look at the bigger picture here before we sling so much mud in each other’s eyes that no one can see the truth.

  • wollfb

    Right. All they care about is attacking Obama and allowing the HSLDA to involve them in a convoluted political ploy to gain media attention.They couldn’t possibly just want to be left in peace to raise their kids as they believe and home-school them. They couldn’t possibly have just wanted to be granted asylum and disappear into the fabric of our society and be productive. Oh No, It was a all a big scam by the evil, racist, conservative Christians who just hate Obama.


  • AthenaBlakely

    Yes it is so horrible that children in every school, not just the financially well off ones, are going to have the opportunity to learn to

    Make sense of problems and persevere in solving them.

    Reason abstractly and quantitatively.

    Construct viable arguments and critique the reasoning of others.

    Model with mathematics.

    Use appropriate tools strategically.

    Attend to precision.

    Look for and make use of structure.

    Look for and express regularity in repeated reasoning.

    It is also a real shame that our kids are going to have the opportunity to learn to read something other than whatever fiction they “feel good” about. Considering the “feel good” approach to reading has not improved reading test scores in this country compared to our European neighbors I really don’t consider it too much of a loss to the school system. Maybe now the kids will read their science and social studies books along with some real literature.

    All Common Core is trying to do is prevent the very thing that I live with every day in my house. I graduated from a high school in a larger city in my home state. My husband graduated from a rural school. He was not afforded the same educational opportunities that I was. The poorer school district that he was in did not offer the same level of education that my larger suburban school district did. This is a common problem. There are huge differences between school districts within states and even larger differences between the different states. Common Core comes with funding grants to implement it which lower income school districts can use to hire more teachers or buy materials as needed.

    I really do dislike the nationalization idea but it is obvious from the huge variations in testing that individuality in school systems leads to some systems being really poor while others are superior. Common Core should help the failing school districts create graduates that have at least a fighting chance at being successful. The districts with higher standards already in place should have no problems meeting common core requirements with only minor modifications to what and how they teach. It will not Dumb Down their standards but may require them to modify their delivery system in order to promote the individual reasoning and problem solving requirements.

    I don’t know or care if Obama is the anti-christ or not. I don’t care who he prays to or where he was born. I do care that we are, as a country, able to produce 21st century learners and that they are able to compete in the global job market. The reason that I care is because I have children in the generation that are going to have to meet those requirements. Ultimately companies are going to locate themselves wherever the largest numbers of employable people reside or where it is cheapest for them to operate a building. If that is not where my children are located then for my kids to be employable they are going to have to move or telecommute if they can even get a job at all.

    Maybe I am selfish here but I really would like to be able to know my grandkids so I would like for my kids to stay pretty close to me. I consider anywhere within 500 miles close so that gives them a big area on the east coast. The problem is that as our economy becomes more global, educationally they are going to have to compete with kids from countries with free socialized education all the way through college. These kids are already kicking butt on test scores over our high end schools so what chance do my kids have of getting a competitive education in a rural school system or a poverty stricken inner city school system? If you have a great school system, congratulations, if you don’t ….

  • AthenaBlakely

    Well, I hate to break it to you but I am teaching my children to:

    Make sense of problems and persevere in solving them.
    Reason abstractly and quantitatively.

    Construct viable arguments and critique the reasoning of others.

    Model with mathematics.

    Use appropriate tools strategically.

    Attend to precision.

    Look for and make use of structure.

    Look for and express regularity in repeated reasoning.
    I actually expect to have my children study algebra, trigonometry, geometry, calculus, and statistics in high school. I expect them to understand the real number system, the complex number system, vector, and matrix quantities. Amazingly, I actually expect my 5th grade child to be able to work with fractions including addition and subtraction of fractions. I expect her to be able to identify the least common denominator by understanding how to find the least common multiple of two numbers.

    I am also teaching them to read something other than picture books, comic books, and fiction. I do require them to read classic and contemporary literature as well as educational non-fiction including biographies, narratives, informative texts, and the foundational documents of the United States. I do require them to write and expect that their writing will incorporate the concepts of logical argument based on making a claim, solid reasoning, and relevant evidence. I also expect them to be able to express their opinion and back up that opinion with evidence including logical and faith based points of evidence. I also expect my children to be able to listen, interpret, and speak. I expect them to cary on an intelligent dialogue on a topic. I expect my children to use formal English to communicate their ideas whether written or verbal. I also expect them to utilize technology for the purpose of intelligent communication. (The words “are you” are not spelled ” r u” and “Where r u?” is not proper syntax for the English Language. )

    Heaven help me because according to you, I am turning into a drone because I am teaching my kids the same things I learned in school because they are listed in the common core. My kids are becoming drones because they can think for themselves and not blindly follow the rantings of hate-mongers with nothing better to do with their time than to come on the internet and stir up fear in the uneducated. The amazingly large numbers that blindly follow and repeat such drivel speaks volumes about the far reaching effect of our systemic failure to educate our youth in the skills of critical thinking and logical reasoning.

  • wollfb

    your hostility is not necessary or welcome. If you are teaching them all that you say you are, then you are not teaching the new core curriculum that is being pushed by the obama administration to take control of education away from the states. I am not impressed with your attitude or your claim that I am speaking drivel. I have researched the new k-12 core in depth and it is atrocious. I went to an Ivy League Prep school and started NYU at 16 in 1967. My life is dedicated to learning and if I thought the new core had any merit, I would not reject it simply because Obama supports it. I reject it because it is designed to turn out progressive drones, not individuals who love to learn. If you want to exchange ideas, fine. If your want to snarl and name call, you are wasting my time. This is a blog where people make posts and express their ideas, if you want my documented, fully sourced, in-depth analysis of common core or any number of political issues, you can by one of several national publications or log onto one of several major news websites and read my articles. I post here to relax, not to be groused at by strangers with issues.

  • wollfb

    she is a paid shill, sent here to post the same mindless arguments and attacks on homeschooling and Evangelicals, over and over and over and over.

  • AthenaBlakely

    Everything on the list with the singular exception of the reference to faith based points of evidence are directly from the common core curriculum. The really interesting point to me is that I did not call you a name. I stated that according to your post that my children and I were becoming globalist drones because what I am teaching them falls into the guidelines of the common core. I also pointed out that my children are learning to research, analyze, and formulate an opinion based on that research and analysis and not just go to the internet and read the rantings of fear-mongers and believe everything they read. At no point in time did I call you a fear-monger but I did point out that the common core curriculum encourages them to think for themselves so that they are less likely to be led around by people that post unsubstantiated drivel on the internet. Again, at no point in time did I say that you personally posted drivel.

    It amazes me that you felt the need to attack me when in reality I did not attack you in any way. I did, however, bring into question your characterization of children that are taught the common core being drones.

    As far as the concept of globalization goes it is already a reality. When I walk out to my “American” car and find out from the manufacturer plates that the engine was built in Japan, the body was built in Canada, and the assembly was done in the US, I think we are already in a global economy. When Apple makes a decision to market a cheap phone in the US as well as in China because they want to prevent people from the US going on the internet and buying them directly from China, we are in a global economy. Failing to accept that reality 5 years ago is part of why our educational system is producing graduates that are struggling to compete in the global job market.

    One other thing, I do believe that I too am expressing my opinion. Just because my opinion differs slightly from yours does not mean that it is any less or any more important than yours. I do believe that I have the right to express it just as much as you have the right to express yours. As far as grousing goes I do not do that nearly as well as you so believe me I would never claim to be better at it than you or in any way disparage your skills in that arena. I am pretty sure that calling someone a “paid plant” falls well into a level of grousing that is far out of my league.

    I too have looked at the common core extensively. I am grateful for the fact that if my health fails and I have to put my children back into public school that my county and state have adopted the Common Core standards so I know my kids will get a decent education. I am a little confused about which part of those standards causes “drone syndrome” and would be happy to have you show me the exact text in the standards that will cause my children to melt-down into the mindless drones that you say they will become. I want to be sure that I avoid those passages completely so please enlighten me.

  • wollfb

    you really lack a sense of humor. the paid plant posts were my sarcastic response to the person’s endless, repetitious posts. I was mocking her by repeating the same thing over and over, just like her. As far as going over the common core point by point to show you why I disapprove of it, they next time I am paid to write about it I will send you a link, There have been some wonderful studies on common core than evaluated it in-depth that were extremely critical. I suggest you read them.

    Meanwhile, here are a couple of links for you.



    Even the name gives me the creeps, Common Core. Lets treat everyone the same, pretend everyone is equal intellectually and teach everyone the exact same thing. Fill it up with page after page of newspeak and tech jargon and use the same exact educational materials in every classroom in America. That produces drones, not creative thinkers.

    Frankly, common core may work for you because you are home-schooling, participating in your kid’s education, and adopting the material to suit your own standards and values, judging by your own words. If your kids were studying the same material in a classroom with 45 other kids, it might be a vastly different story.

    While it is admirable that you are deeply involved in your children’s education, the sad truth is that the vast majority of parents are not and that makes a universal standardized system a tool to produce legions of kids who think alike and lack imagination.

    That is my opinion, based on what I have read and researched and on what I see every day in the homes and classrooms of America.