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Some Nebraskans’ premiums to triple under Obamacare

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STICKER SHOCK: Todd Blome and his family learned this week their premiums will increase 65 percent under Obamacare if they want to stay on a plan comparable to their current individual plan.

 

By Deena Winter | Nebraska Watchdog

Updated 11:50 a.m. Friday

LINCOLN – Todd Blome’s phone has been ringing off the hook this week with clients seeking tax advice after learning they’ll get a “shocking increase” in their health insurance premiums when Obamacare’s health insurance exchanges begin operating.

Letters have been landing in mailboxes all over Nebraska explaining the impact Obamacare will have on people who buy insurance coverage on their own, rather than through work.

Blome, a Lincoln accountant, understands: He got a letter, too.

Blue Cross Blue Shield Nebraska informed Blome his health care plan will terminate at year’s end, and if he wants to move to a similar plan his new premium will go up 65 percent, costing him nearly $4,000 more per year.

He distinctly remembers President Obama looking into TV cameras and assuring Americans “If you like your health care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health care plan. Period.” Blome’s letter says otherwise.

“Stupid me, I took the president literally,” Blome said.

Many other Nebraskans are getting similar letters. Blue Cross Blue Shield is notifying about 46,000 policyholders who buy their own insurance coverage of changes to their plans as a result of Obamacare. Most of them are learning that if they want to stick with a similar plan, their rates will go up.

“I would say on average, most customers will see some level of increase, but we do have several thousand that are seeing a rate decrease,” said Tom Gilsdorf, director of product development for Blue Cross.

He said calls about the letters have been “brisk,” that Obamacare is “becoming very real for them” and people are “pretty surprised.”

RATE HIKE: A recent analysis by the Manhattan Institute found rates will skyrocket for young Nebraskans.

RATE HIKE: A recent analysis by the Manhattan Institute found rates will skyrocket for young Nebraskans.

This squares with a recent analysis by the Manhattan Institute that found Nebraskans would be among the hardest hit in the nation, with rates more than tripling for young people.

The study says 27-year-old men in Nebraska will see a whopping 279 percent increase in premiums and 27-year-old women in Nebraska will get an also-shocking 227 percent increase in rates.

Our neighbors to the west in Colorado, meanwhile, will see rates drop 36 percent for their 27-year-olds. Only one other state, New Hampshire, will see a decline.

Nebraskans also fared horribly when they analyzed the 40-year-old group. They found 40-year-old Nebraska men will pay 288 percent — the second highest increase nationwide — more under Obamacare, and women will pay 237 percent more — the biggest increase in the nation.

The analysis was based on data about Obamacare’s impact on premiums in states where the feds will partially or fully operate new insurance exchanges, released Tuesday night by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. People can begin shopping for insurance on the exchanges on Tuesday and get coverage beginning Jan. 1.

U.S. Sen. Deb Fischer, R-Neb., cited the study Thursday on the floor of the Senate.

“Those numbers, Mr. President, are absolutely staggering,” she said, calling for the program to be defunded.

So why is Nebraska getting hit especially hard by Obamacare?

Yevgeniy Feyman, a fellow at the Manhattan Institute, a free market policy research think tank, who helped do the analysis of Obamacare, said Nebraska has very low insurance rates and a relatively unregulated insurance marketplace where companies can sell a broad range of plans. Part of the reason Nebraska’s rates will go up more is insurance isn’t heavily regulated here, whereas in some East Coast states they already have some of the mandates now being implemented by Obamacare.

The average premium for 27-year-old Nebraskans on the most basic Obamacare plan is $159, compared to $68 now.

“It’s going to be a huge, huge hit,” Feyman said.

Bruce Ramge, director of the state Insurance Department, also took a look at the HHS numbers that came out this week, and he agrees that most Nebraskans’ rates will go up.

“There’s going to be some hefty increases,” he said.

His boss, Gov. Dave Heineman, has loudly opposed Obamacare.

Omaha Sen. Jeremy Nordquist said part of the problem is Nebraska didn’t take full advantage of Obamacare by expanding Medicaid and creating its own exchange and trying to create more competition in the marketplace. The governor refused to do both. An organization representing insurance carriers warned lawmakers at the National Conference of State Legislatures that states that don’t expand Medicaid would see higher premiums, he said, because insurance companies would shift the cost of that uncompensated care.

Gilsdorf said companies are no longer allowed to offer low-end, basic plans and must offer plans that include the “10 essential benefits,” such as mental illness and substance abuse treatment and dental and vision coverage for children.

“We are definitely moving into a much more regulated environment,” he said.

And while subsidies will be available to help low-income people, the Manhattan Institute concluded most people with average incomes who had individual insurance plans will pay more under Obamacare.

“I would say that’s true,” Gilsdorf said.

Blue Cross estimates about half of its customers who buy their own insurance will be eligible for those tax credits, which are available to a family of four earning between $23,550 and $94,000, for example.

Gilsdorf said the letters going out to Blue Cross customers show people the price to move to a comparable plan, but they have the option of choosing other, cheaper plans.

But in Blome’s case, the cheapest option offered by Blue Cross is still 55 percent more expensive than his current premium. He will check out the rates on the federal exchanges when they begin operating next week, but suspects the prices won’t be much different.

While he likes the fact that Obamacare requires companies to provide insurance to people with pre-existing conditions, like his 12-year-old diabetic son, he’s not happy about the extra $4,000 he’ll have to cough up for health insurance next year.

“There were a lot of swear words in my house last night. We had to tell the kids to cover their ears,” he said. “It means less money into my pocket right now.”

Contact Deena Winter at deena@nebraskawatchdog.org.

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Deena Winter has been a journalist for over 20 years, writing stories for the Northwood Gleaner, Bismarck Tribune, Associated Press, Denver Post and Lincoln Journal Star before joining Watchdog.

  • MH

    We get the government we vote for. Maybe people will wake up now.

  • J.Sanders

    All i gotta say is…ha,ha…you were warned and just like the man said “stupid me” let them have what they want!

  • ProgressiveOasis

    Evidence starts to mount that the Democrat health care strategy is working as designed. Obamacare will be an abject failure and, if a Dem is elected President in 2016, the “Fix” will be Medicare for everyone….which was their end objective from the start. The only remaining question is, will the US economy survive until 2016 with the US dollar still as the world’s reserve currency? If not, none of this progressive nirvana will matter since the economy will make the Great Depression look like boom times. The only healthcare America really needs is the removal of the progressive cancer which is literally killing us all.

  • Mike

    Mine is going up 72 percent — thank God I’m not 27 anymore, I guess. I’m going to be sending invoices to every liberal in the state expecting them to pay their fair share to help me make up the difference. Since their benevolent king seems to want to spend money I don’t have in my budget, I’ll be expecting others to pick up the tab.

  • Heineman Handout

    You can blame our idiot Governor for not accepting medicaid expansion for the rate increases in Nebraska. Nebraskans pay federal income tax but won’t be getting federal medicaid expansion, which means our hospitals and clinics are left in the dark with policyholders left to pick up the tab.

  • Death Profiteers

    “Insurance isn’t heavily regulated here” is doublespeak for “insurance companies in Nebraska today can drop sick customers once they become unprofitable.” That will change with the Affordable Care Act.

  • spoko

    I note that the only sources you cite are the heavily libertarian Manhattan Institute, and the company that is actually behind the rate increases (BCBS). Blue Cross sets its own rates, of course, so Obama is an awfully convenient scapegoat for rate increases that they are choosing to implement. And why? According to your heavily partisan think tank, it’s because the new plans offer a lot more benefits than the old plans.

  • Kevin

    Didn’t Pelosi say that rates would go down?

  • ACA Supporter

    Of course, every individual policy rate is different based on circumstances and underwriting. So instead of promoting the GOP “the sky is falling” mantra, why don’t you also include someone who’s rates are falling (like BCBS says there are while also honestly stating the reasons for the increases in Nebraska rates as the Manhatten Institute report outlines. It’s not Obamacare’s fault, it’s our own state government choices. As for this family and others like them — go shopping on the exchange. It’s like most other consumer gods — if you don’t like what your getting, shop for something better. You are constitutionally entitled to this particular policy.

  • Looking forward

    My health insurance premiums went up significantly more for coverage this year, before the new health care program goes into effect, than it will next year under essentially the same policy but with the addition of several of the “10 essential benefits.” For those of you who are complaining endlessly about “Obamacare,” please reread the article. Nebraska’s policies and decisions have a lot to do with these increases.

  • Mike

    Find me somebody in Nebraska whose rates are falling — I have yet to run across any intelligent human being who is jumping for joy because his or her rates are going down. Let’s just call Obamacare what it is — a monumental boondoggle that will kill more people than it helps.

  • Mike

    Yeah — if I get pregnant and lose my mind, I’m covered. The problem is, I’m a MALE who has his wits about him…at least, I did until I opened up the letter from BCBS.

  • gerardharbison

    The people who weren’t covered under Medicaid last year are not covered under Medicaid this year. Nothing has changed, except Obamacare cut the reimbursement to hospitals.

  • Tom

    The “study” cited compares the “premiums” of the cheapest plans to the cheapest plan under the Affordable Care Act. It does not compare simiiar coverage. That has been a very real problem because many people thought they had “health insurance” when all they had was a very limited high deductable policy that left them with huge bills.

  • gerardharbison

    Unfortunately, we get the government other idiots vote for.

  • Mike

    Let’s put the blame where it REALLY belongs — the arrogant President, his felonious thieves in the House and Senate, and EVERY moron in this country who bought the “change we can believe in” B.S. and elected this pathetic leader TWICE. I’m going to send every liberal I know an invoice to cover the 72 percent increase I’ll be paying as a result of the “affordable” health care. Anybody who thinks Obamacare is good for America is irreversably delusional.

  • Mike

    Very true — I voted Libertarian in 2008 and 2012, because there is NO change as long as we continue electing Republicans and/or Democrats. Anyone who votes R/D from here on out and expects change is wasting their vote.

  • gerardharbison

    But what if you don’t want the benefits? I don’t need mental health benefits. I don’t need pregnancy benefits. But thanks to Obamacare, if I had to buy on an exchange, i’d be forced to accept them anyway.

    And young people, who cost very little to insure, have to pay more because they’re subsidizing older people. (I suppose since a majority of them voted for Obama, it serves most of them right).

  • Biff Pocoroba

    My question is ‘will the economy survive past October 2013 if the Grand Old Party of No shuts down the government?!

  • gerardharbison

    I haven’t yet found a single Nebraskan whose rates are falling.

  • NebDave77

    You have to understand, their ultimate goal is a single payer system. How do they accomplish this? By making insurance unaffordable through any other outlet incuding your employer. We are well on our way to a single payer system and there could be no going back.

  • gerardharbison

    Good to see you’re covering this, Deena. The Lincoln Journal Star isn’t; heaven forbid they should do a story unfavorable to the President.

  • gerardharbison

    Of course, it’s not for you to decide you have enough health insurance or the coverage you need. It’s for the government to decide that.

  • LukeinNE

    What’s that? Your Ford gets you to A to B just fine? Well too bad, because you’re buying a Cadillac instead.

  • Curious

    Ah the truth…but listen to the right as they fight to distort it! LIE,LIE,LIE.

  • danny

    How do you feel about those unfortunate people with pre existing conditions who will now have access to affordable health care? Is this a bad thing?

  • D. Mark

    Someone elected this President, so live with it? Also do not forget to thank Ben Nelson, credit should be given where credit is due? Ben and Obama did this to you and please do not forget this?

  • NebDave77

    Personally, I would much rather make my own decisions, especially when it comes comes to my family’s healthcare.  I understand there’s a lot of people that do want government to pay everything for them, but don’t limit my options because of them.

  • danny

    When in recent history have rates ever fallen? We don’t have a health care problem,we have a health care COST problem!

  • Biff Pocoroba

    Or those who have no insurance at all, but will now have coverage?

  • LukeinNE

    Probably because where we already do have govt run healthcare, it’s a disaster. Like say, Medicaid resulting in no better health outcomes than being uninsured:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/05/02/oregon-study-medicaid-had-no-significant-effect-on-health-outcomes-vs-being-uninsured/

  • Biff Pocoroba

    And those who ‘decide’ not to carry insurance get a fever blister and rush to the emergency room, racking up thousands of dollars in costs that they can’t pay for…and that drives up health care costs for all of us.

  • gerardharbison

    Nebraska already had a high-risk pool.

  • Dustin Wade

    And here you are. I can’t even begin to express how idiotic you are. You seem to think that nothing is wrong because you are doing just fine. You can not step out of your shoes and see what it is like for the rest of the people. Mike, do everyone a favor and just stop noow. Your beyond help.

  • gerardharbison

    We all pay for them because the government forces hospitals to treat them.

  • Dustin Wade

    Wait!! Healthcare is affordable now?

  • Dave Fall

    Deena back to the drawing board on this story. Sorry these right wing partisans are not correct. As the proof of the pudding is in the eating every one will know the truth October 1st. Go to the exchange and pick your policy. No one has a clue as they think this is something exotic.
    It is private insurance. I believe in Insurance and even sold Health Insurance in Nebraska as a Licensed Agent in Nebraska. My Brother in Law is an Executive retired in Blue Cross Blue Shield. Sorry folks they are not stupid. They are marketing very good plans. What is cited is inaccurate and false.

    Right wing nut bags are fighting history and as the curtain goes up on this v very effective private insurance competition it will be a simple individual family adjustment. Also competition has lowered the Price. Sorry dooms day partisans the end is still not near.

    In my career I was an agent of change and oh how hard it was for every one but as with this change the clock moves forward. Change frightens some but this is the same National Health Insurance plan Dick Nixon wrote in 1973. It is still all Private insurance not Government. Any one suggesting anything else is absolutely wrong.

    Any one who knows me knows I am a policy wonk. My best idea at this hour Deena is to let everyone have a couple weeks so their bowels are no longer in an uproar and then look at what is really happening. This is actually some great Rerpublican stuff. Yeppers it is all private insurance.

  • gerardharbison

    You mean the people who decided not to buy individual coverage before, but will buy it now it’s become more expensive?

  • Brucew56

    http://www.ontheissues.org/social/Ben_Nelson_Health_Care.htm

    And Nebraska got preferential treatment to buy Ben Nelson’s vote! Always need to read OBUMBLE”S “small print”. He crosses his fingers when he makes promises!

  • Brucew56

    Term limits, term limits, term limits! No more career government! That’s why we only give the pres 2 terms. They get too cozy with the system!

  • gerardharbison

    Except the exchange will not be properly operational on October 1. Many of the prices will likely be wrong. And most will cost far more than at present.

    Result; young people who don’t need it won’t buy into it. Everyone else will rip it off for the subsidies, since they won’t be checking what you claim your income is. And it will get more expensive next year, since it will be populated by the old and sick.

    Crash and burn.

  • Dustin Wade

    wait…don’t we subsidize the older generation anyways? After all, if you are middle class you will draw more in Social Security than you paid.

  • racefish

    Check out the other countries that have it first. You may get what you wish for.

  • Biff Pocoroba

    Who will be able to afford it now because of lower rates and subsidies for those of the low income brackets.

  • Biff Pocoroba

    You think they should be able to turn someone away simply because they cannot pay? I’m glad I don’t live in your version of a perfect world.

  • gerardharbison

    Yep. Now you subsidize us some more. Thanks!

  • racefish
  • gerardharbison

    So you think a doctor should be forced to work without pay?

  • LukeinNE

    We’re well aware that this is “nothing exotic,” Dave.

    We’re angry that President Obama promised us that our premiums would go down, and they’re going up. We’re angry that the President told us that if we liked our insurance, we could keep it, and now we’re losing our employer-based coverage and being told that our basic coverage is no longer acceptable and we have to spend more for extensive coverage we do not need. We’re angry that we were told we could keep our hospital and doctor if we liked him/her, and now the NYT is reporting that up to half of the doctors in current plan networks are being excluded under Obamacare.

    The President systematically lied at every turn in order to get this abomination through Congress, so yeah, we’re a little pissed.

    Additionally, I’m a little hacked off that you walk in here, present yourself as some sort of nonpartisan expert on the subject, knock down a couple of straw men and somehow neglect to mention you’ve made a career out of left wing political consulting. Classy.

  • NebDave77

    I’ve had it since I was 20, must mean I’m a trillionaire!

  • NebDave77

    If I were you I would avoid using SS to try to make your point. Its FAILING! Might not be around much longer, which means I won’t draw anything from it!

  • Brian Mikkelsen

    From the article: While he likes that fact that Obamacare requires companies to provide insurance to people with pre-existing conditions, like his 12-year-old diabetic son, he’s not happy about the extra $4,000 he’ll have to cough up for health insurance next year.

    There are things people like, and people don’t like about ObamaCares, but clearly it’s based only on how it impacts them personally. People like that pre-existing conditions are now covered, there is no lifetime cap and a myriad of other things are covered.

    They just don’t want to pay extra for it.

  • beentothecountyfair

    If this new system is so great why is Blue Cross sending out tens of thousands of notices about rate increases?? Why not leave it as it is?? It is working! This new system is akin to rebuilding a house because one burner on the stove needs cleaning. This is not about providing health insurance for the poor, it is about over extension of government in our lives.

  • Dustin Wade

    Social Security has been failing for years. It still proves my point (you just need to look at it from someone else’s perspective).

  • Noctis Wolf

    Anyone who votes to fund the ACA is voting in favor of this happening to people.

  • FreeBuckWeaver

    Yeah, Stupid you. Why would anyone believe that con artist and his henchmen in the White House? Anyone with common sense was able to see through that liar from the get go. We are getting exactly what 51% of the voters (who are also stupid) wanted.

  • Libertarian01a

    Where in the constitution does it guarantee you health insurance? Have you actually read the constitution?

  • Libertarian01a

    Common sense tells us that had Obamacare not come into being, all of this would not be happening. If you give it credit for the good, you have to give it credit for the bad. I might also point out that working with the young, once they learn the penalty is only $95.00 the first year, they said they still won’t buy health care. Having them buy it is the corner stone of this process. If they don’t the whole system is in jeopardy.

  • Noctis Wolf

    Call your Senators and Representatives. Read your Increased Premium off to whoever answers the Phone. Ask them to DEFUND ObamaCare or you will sue them (the Senators and Representatives) for the difference.

  • NebDave77

    You mean perhaps someone who needs a transplant? Probably have a pretty good perspective, right? That person, is me!

  • BossMan

    Right after you cons pay us for the wasted billions of the Iraq & Afghanistan wars..

  • BossMan

    I know how you feel. The Bush years were exceptionally intolerable and almost destroyed the country.

  • Noctis Wolf

    Now, imagine this with people being forced into 29 hour work weeks.

    Congress has the power to change the Employer Mandate. No Democrat in either the House or the Senate will vote to do away with the mandate entirely.

    Therefore, please call your Senators and Representatives with this idea:

    Attach an amendment to the CR [IF AND ONLY IF THERE IS NO WAY TO DEFUND OBAMACARE]. An amendment which would change the 50 employee threshold to 501 and 30 hours to 41 hours.

    So the new thresholds for the Employer Mandate, with this hypothetical amendment added onto the CR, would be 501 employees and 41 hours.

    CALL THEM NOW, PLEASE, AND PROPOSE THAT!

  • Brian Mikkelsen

    While I don’t like the term “idiot” it is unfortunate that Nebraska has not expanded Medicaid to working people like so many other states that are led by a Republican Governor (Iowa, Florida, New Jersey, New Mexico, Arizona).

  • Noctis Wolf

    I am losing my health insurance plan and being forced to choose a different plan from my provider.

    Obama is a lying sack of bullshit.

  • Brian Mikkelsen

    I have talked to numerous friends who will get more coverage and less deductible, copays and premium under the ACA. Many of them are afraid to share their story because of backlash.

  • Libertarian01a

    The problem is, for those who decide not to buy health insurance there are no consequences. The natural law is, there are consequences for all the decision we make. Government has changed that. Since there are no consequences for not having health insurance even though you could have, people decide not to spend the money on it. There is a difference between those who can’t and those who won’t and the government does not understand that. Thus we have the world we have today. Your system is perfectly made for the results you get. The are other and cheaper ways. Just not other cheaper and better ways that left the government in control. And that is what all government is about. Economic slavery which leaves them in control.

  • Libertarian01a

    Shouldn’t that be a personal choice?

  • Libertarian01a

    Your consistency is eerie. Because you did it, we can do it also. Now that’s a way to run a country and make it sustainable! One side is no better or worse than the other. Neither is good for the sustainability of the country. What about all the aide going to the

    Syrian jihadists? And don’t say it isn’t. We don’t know who is getting it. We do know it is not just the moderates. Why are we there anyway? The only difference between Obama and Cheney is the scope of their stupidity on the world stage.

  • jon1856

    Well after reading this the take away would have to be that the State has to make some changes to its own way of doing business with insurance companies.

  • Brian Mikkelsen

    If a person doesn’t have coverage, gets treatment and can’t afford it. The cost of that uncompensated care is passed on to me. Personal choice doesn’t mean make everyone pay for your choice.

  • Judith77

    So the 0 breaks the entire system and makes the middle class poor in order to reform one or two pieces of insurance coverage. That doesn’t make sense, but that’s exactly what your 0 is doing.

  • Curious

    Lets talk facts here…not the Sarah Palin “Death Panels” and the Fox News twisted mantra or Senator Ted Cruz show.

  • Judith77

    They have always been treated. Check out other countries.. particularly communist China. If you don’t pay BEFORE a treatment, you don’t get it. Keep drinking the kool aid.

  • Judith77

    They are greatly limited how much they can make per year in socialized (communist) medicine in other countries. They cannot go over quota or they will be fined.

  • Curious

    You know not of which you speak. I suggest before inserting your foot in your mouth you to the library and spend a couple of hours learning about the Affordable Healthcare Act or go to healthcare.org

  • Curious

    NOT TRUE…HAVE FAMILY IN CANADA

  • Mike

    I’m not a Rand Paul fan — he’s hiding out as a Libertarian when he’s really a RISC (Republican In Sheep’s Clothing). Liberals AND conservatives alike share in our nation’s disintegration and I won’t vote for a single (R)/(D) clown in this election or any hereafter.

  • Mike

    Yeah, and wasn’t your beloved Obama going to get us out of the wars in the Middle East we were in under Bush? We’re still in Afghanistan AND he’s peeing himself trying to get us involved in a Syrian conflict we have no business being a part of. Obama is the biggest fraud ever to hold the once-honorable title of POTUS…he makes Bush Jr. look like a freaking genius.

  • Curious

    Whew, you sound like a real humanitarian! I can see why you are a Rand Paul fan.

  • Mike

    Typical liberal fallback blather — I have a moral obligation to take care of myself and my family first, and it’s going to be very difficult for me to do that with this increase in my premiums. Maybe you liberal do-gooders can help out those of us who USED to be able to afford the health insurance we do have, but now won’t be able to under your wonderful Obamacare boondoggle? Don’t crowd…there’s plenty of room…yeah, I thought so.

  • Mike

    Coming from a liberal loser like you…I’m going to take that as a compliment. People can CHOOSE to help themselves or CHOOSE to be a slave to the system and let the system take care of them. My budget was tight enough BEFORE this change, and now it’s completely blown it up because I’ll be paying close to DOUBLE what I pay now. How about you liberals put in to help out those of us who USED to be able to afford health insurance? Until then…your criticism of my point lacks any sort of relevance whatsoever.

  • Curious

    Hold on….I will be right back with the Kleenex!

  • Mike

    Which part of the Constitution states that we’re entitled to health care? Can you point out the exact verbage for me, because I’ve just read it from front to back and don’t see anything relating to a right to health care coverage.

  • Mike

    I’m not a Con…but your beloved King Obama STILL has us in Afghanistan and is trying to get us into another war in Syria. Sit down and shut up with your war talk, genius…you’re supporting the worst POTUS in our nation’s history.

  • NebDave77

    Couldn’t agree more.

  • Brian Mikkelsen

    It’s not the government that passes it on now it’s the hospital. If someone has a six figure hospital bill and no insurance the hospital passes it on to those of us with coverage. 35 percent of premiums go to subsidize uncompensated care.

  • NebDave77

    Your whole point, which you have said a couple of times, is that I need to look at it from a different perspective. I’m telling you my perspective is way different they you will ever give me credit for, just because I don’t agree with you.

    But I’m still happy to use your example of Social Security. Why wouldn’t I want to compare the future of my health care to a failing system that’s full of fraud and mishandling. What could go wrong?

  • Dave Fall

    EEEWWWWWW a name caller. I guess you must really know what you are talking about, ey?
    Truth is I have supported those notable left wing radicals like Tom Osborne, Mike Johanns, both Hudkins and an assundry of other Republicans. You are so off the mark in every angry thing you say I have broke my own rule not to respond to critics who lack sufficient courage to use their own name. Suffice to say you above all respondents to my statements prove my central points. If you can control your temper try re-reading what I actually wrote. Lighten up for your own sake the Republic will still stand October 2. Reply to this if it will make you feel better but as for myself I re-invoke my standing rule.
    I have no idea who you are nor, I must say, do I care.

  • craigmk1974

    A couple years ago, Obama had said that the average family would see premiums go down $2,500. He lied through his teeth to get this thing passed.

  • Brian W

    Please educate yourself prior to commenting. Like racefish mentioned, look at every other county that has tried this approach. Why do they come to the US for quality care if it’s working so well at home?! How does free competition between carriers rise prices in any market?

  • Dustin Wade

    My point was that we already subsidize the older generation (we are the people young enough not to need insurance) through social security. You said that I should not use SS as an example because it may not be around for you. I told you to look at it from someone else’s perspective (that being someone who uses it) and your retort was you need a kidney transplant; which is unrelated to my original point of subsidization.
    I believe you were thinking that I was asking you to look at health care reform from another perspective.

  • sandyfromchesterfield

    Senator Fischer says these rate increase numbers are absolutely staggering yet she voted for cloture which ensured that obamacare would be implemented. Hypocrite!

  • Libertarian01a

    The government has mandated through law that no one be denied emergency care. They also allow the hospitals to reimburse themselves through surcharges that reimburse for most of those charges. If the hospitals were not forced to provide such care then they would not be able to pass it on and those that did would quickly go out of business. It all starts with the government mandate that emergency care can not be denied to anyone regardless of why they don’t have insurance.

  • Moderate Realist

    I feel their pain. United Healthcare did the same thing to me and my family. In 2005!!! Is that Obama’s fault too? If only a fraction of the time, energy and resources being spent in telling us this is bad were instead dedicated toward improving it… Oh, but that would never work, would it? Because what makes it bad in most people’s minds is that it was supposedly Obama’s idea. Well, guess what, folks??? Nearly every provision the Obama-haters find so hard to swallow were part of the 2006 Massachusetts health reform law, championed by Mitt Romney, including the individual mandate!! And the small business requirement? Romneycare requires that any business with 11 or more full-time employees offer health insurance to their workers or pay a penalty. With Obamacare it’s only large businesses (over 50 full-time employees).
    Open your eyes, people!

  • Libertarian01a

    How’s that working for Mass? Has it lowered health costs? What has it cost the state? Did the state cost go up or down? Do 100% of Mass. residents now have health care? Did rates go up for those who had health care? Did Romney make the same outlandish promises Obama made? How have health care costs risen in Mass. in regards to the rest of the US? Do they have the doctor shortages that the US will have as Obamacare matures? Did Romney delay parts of his law for political reasons? Did Romney put off parts of his law for big business while ignoring those individuals, who the law was meant to help, who struggle to get insurance? Generalized emotional outburst serve no purpose. They do not add any value to the discussion. It would help to have facts instead of emotions so we could compare apples to apples. How open are your eyes?

  • Mike

    OK, let’s TALK facts. The fact is that, under Obamacare, I’m paying 72 percent MORE for my premiums than I was when the government didn’t interfere in my health insurance. Those are the facts…so unless you’re willing to help me make up the difference, sit your liberal hiney down and STFU.

  • gerardharbison

    Fischer did not vote for cloture. Wash your mouth out!

  • REinNebraska

    an injustice all the way around. Gov’t should start by regulating the welfare system… bet half of you don’t realize the $$$ that illegal immigrants get when they first step foot on our soil… and how our country gives them shelter and finds them clothing and JOBS… PLUS for a fact… in the great state of Connecticut (Greenwich, CT) I know a Brazilian couple who b/c they earned under a certain amount paid $0.00 to have a baby in the Greenwich Hospital. I did not have insurance at the time in 2008 – and discovered I had neuroma in both feet but no $$ to pay for the surgery to correct this to be able to work on my feet. I am a U.S. citizen paying my proper share of taxes and was ineligible for free healthcare like the Brazilian woman who had a baby for FREE. why why why doesn’t this country cut the crap and do the right thing by their people. instead we are persecuted and penalized – made to pay for those who are either illegal immigrants OR who fraudulently milk the system so they don’t have to stress over work and the few who do legitimately need financial assistance.

    rest assured… the good LORD is watching and all will be held accountable on Judgment Day! this is a crime against the people.

  • Hunyock

    and each side keeps us in fear of the other side. Never seen it this bad before.

  • Libertarian01a

    Curious, as you have told others, please keep from ramming your Obama religion down other peoples throat. Please keep your religion and it’s distortions to yourself:)

  • ckozi

    It is our own state government’s fault that we are not already paying 3x the amount we pay now? Do you hear yourself talking? Does it make sense? Don’t blame Obamacare?

  • ckozi

    ‘thru no fault of their own’. . .yes, the mentally ill or truly physically disabled. . .other than that, you had the same opportunities, free education, the opportunity to get a job, as the rest of us. This is going to lead to some kind of revolution when people finally find the courage to stand up and say “WAIT A MINUTE”. . .I am paying 3 times as much because so many people drop out of school and cannot get a job to support themselves or would rather stay home, make babies, sell drugs or whatever else it is that they do? Watch 48 hours for 3 episodes and see what kind of people we are ‘obligated
    ‘ to take care of.

  • ckozi

    I guess it’s time to become an illegal immigrant. . .show up at the ER with no information, get my medical services and walk away!

  • ckozi

    the people who elected this president (the majority) are the same people who will not be having to pay more.

  • scott

    While I have sympathy for some folks who will have premiums sky rocket, I would want the great people in the great state of Nebraska to remember this: Senator Ben Nelson, Democrat, from Nebraska was the 60th vote on the Affordable Health Care Act. Further more, Like I said I do feel sorry for some folks who’s premuiums will sky rocket, because mine probably will also. But let me make myself abudantly clear, those of you who voted for Obama, you made your bed, now sleep in it.

  • Terrco

    OOOOPS, I believe it was 77% of the democrats that approved a resolution to give Bush the authority to move forward. Funny, as I recall, we’re still in Afghanistan … and tons of military and contractors still in Iraq.

  • Terrco

    I foresee many democrats laying in the street on this one. They’ve stepped over the proverbial line.

  • TheBigDave

    Umm… I’m confused. Where’s the “name calling”? And where is he off the mark? He has presented straight up facts, and you respond in “doublespeak”. And who said anything about the Republic not standing? He called the prez out as a liar; and I for one agree with him. He DID lie.
    Do you dispute this?

  • disqus_qbe0Dt2TeX

    Next election the people have to vote them all out of office

  • disqus_qbe0Dt2TeX

    I would say bush years are looking really nice

  • flowerchld

    Tighten up that tinfoil hat.

  • The_Original_LOM

    Really??? Backlash HOW??? Please, become, then stay real.

  • Brian Mikkelsen

    Ok. Now I get it. Your point is if a person can’t pay for their life saving medical treatment either personally or with insurance they should just die. I’m pretty sure 99 percent of America disagrees with you but it’s good to know that is your alternative to ObamaCares.

  • Starctitygal

    She voted to move the bill forward for debate, as did 100% of the senate.

  • Starcitygal

    They tell the truth. Name calling is rabid emotionalism, so wise up. Refuting the report would be a good start. We’re listening.

  • JohnnyB

    Look at all the lucky RepubliCONS that are bitching. I’ll bet you guys don’t have preexisting conditions. And you have the “gold level insurance” through your employer. If you don’t like what’s going on, move! No one is making you stay here. Boo hoo! I’m gonna have to spend $4,000 more out of my $200k salary. Help us….

  • Doug Youngs

    Insurance payments have already gone up, and not because of Obamacare. The idiots doing the crying should be asking the Republicans in Congress why they favor Insurance Companies charging people a higher, unfair price while denying million s of tax paying Americans any access to health care insurance.

  • HuGnu

    You are right. It is cheaper when people are allowed to die if they cannot afford care. Ebeneezer Scrooge would be proud of your logic.

  • HuGnu

    What decision about your Health CARE are you unable to make. You can still pull your own plug or refuse to take the free physicals for your kids. You still pick your own doctor, and even can pick your own insurance company.
    Since you never controlled the premium rates before, what has changed?

  • flatland

    Curious, I am curious. What state are you in and what is your personal position with regards to healthcare? Are you buying on exchanges or are you covered under an employee plan? My experience with has shown people are very charitable with other peoples money. Mike stated his personal situation. Whats yours? How much is this costing you last year and this year? Mine went up 100% last year and I am terrified at what it will be this year. I live in VA and am under an employee retiree plan. I had a high deductible and copays. I cannot afford to pay someone elses bill. Oh and everyone with employee provided coverage…..just wait…its coming…..Employer contributions to your health care will be taxable soon. OK, Curious, what’s your status? Are you paying more or less? Getting tax incentives or not?

  • HuGnu

    Yes – this is just a conspiracy to get back at the voters who voted against Obama. We photocopied all ballots and had your insurance company raise your rate just for revenge. Way to figure this one out.
    By the way, your house is bugged and the GPS in your car reports directly to the white house.

  • HuGnu

    And some actually have. I am not sure why people are sticking with the plans and the companies that are charging more.
    The Market Place (as in Free Market – you know choice) is fairly easy to check out.

  • HuGnu

    You may want to speak to Lee Terrry about your comments.

  • Brucew56

    Not for long we aren’t! Medicaid took care of those without ins. This is going to kill jobs. It’s redistribution of wealth – or communism.

  • HuGnu

    So this news article is about a Forbes Magazine Opinion piece that quotes the Manhattan Insitute “Interactive Map”
    Although the Forbes article states that the increase is 279% for Nebraka, the Manhattan Institute clearly states that they do not have the Nebrasaka ACA level information.
    It should be noted that the Manhattan is a conservative think tank, and is analyzing the date from their particular bias.
    The Forbes article did not state the actual number they were using to come up with the 279% incease, the Manhattan Institute shows the average pre-ACA rate was $60, and the increase would be $189.72 more, but does not indicate the differences in this plan or the understanding that this group will include a lot of new insurees, who will be able to get Health services previously unavailable to them, thus creating a lot more costs to the plan. The Previous plan was for people who almost never used insurance or healthcare services. Thus was mostly money into the the Insurance companies and very little being paid out.
    This is a bad reporting of biased reporting on a biased report, and should never suggest that the information is true.

  • HuGnu

    It is too bad that this story is built upon a biased report and not reliable.

  • Brucew56

    No, it’s a socialistic solution to a market issue. Many people didn’t have insurance because they did not want it or they spent their money on cigs, tatoos, booze, drugs or other must haves. There will be as many uninsured after as before. No people are more generous than Americans in helping the needy.

  • pookieamos

    Ben Carson , a fine Black doctor made a very profound statement today about Obamacare. 85% of all Americans had insurance coverage prior to Obamacare. 15% did not. Obamacare is a system that takes over 100% of our healthcare system so that 15% can have insurance ! This is SHEER MADNESS and we are only beginning to see the deadly consequences of this man made disaster ! Obamacare is the Progressives pathway to controlling 100 percent of the population . Did you know there were numerous panels buried in Obama’s Stimulous that will decide who lives, who dies ? They will decide whether expensive medications will be allowed to be used or not. Obamacare gives the Federal government the power to come into every home in America if you have children, if you smoke, if you are a veteran , if you have ever had an alcoholic or drug issue on record , did you know this ? Did you also know in April that Obama announced quietly his Healthy Housing Innitiative ? The HHI will give the Federal government the power to come in and inspect your home for any water leaks , bug issues , disrepairs . If there are issues they will have the power to force you to “fix” the issue or fine you by the day . Did you know this ? All in the name of keeping you healthy. Yu can’t imagine in your worst nightmare the massive power and control they will now have over your life !

  • HuGnu

    Yes lets blame Democracy. King George would have never allowed this to happen, Why did we ever leave the British.

  • gerardharbison

    It sounds like its based on letters to 46,000 BCBS policy holders. They’re all biased, huh?

  • NebDave77

    Did you read the article, how about premiums being tripled because of Obamacare regulations. If that was my premium I would not be able to keep it, so yeah, I would say that has change, by almost 300%.

  • HuGnu

    There are no jobs that it can or will Kill.
    There is no wealth being redistributed any more than a insurance already does. Who do you think is paying the costs above what is out of your pocket, those who have pooled the money.
    This is no more communisim than is taking a plane trip is.

  • gerardharbison

    I don’t see what medicaid expansion has to do with the cost of individual policies for people not on Medicaid. And the insurance costs of people not forced onto the exchange are not going up by these huge amounts. So clearly, the problem is the exchange, which is being run by the Obama administration.

  • NebDave77

    I think you missed the point, completely! The people who vote is this country are the ones that don’t like personal responsibility and want handouts. Who are they going to pick, someone that says hey, you want healthcare, get a job. You want a cell phone, get a job. Of course they’re not going to vote for them!

  • HuGnu

    They are not going out to the people in the 27 yr old age group, and especially not to those who do not have insurance.
    It sounds like BCBS better find a better way to provide insurance or they are going to lose thousands of customers. Everyone who gets the letter can check the Market Place and see if they can get a better deal (surely you do not oppose people shopping around for lower costs do you?)

  • gerardharbison

    The policies of lower-income people on the exchange are being subsidized by the rest of us. And the policies of older, sicker people on the exchange are being subsidized by younger, healthier people. These are facts.

    And since Obamacare is such a trainwreck, they are not even going to check incomes of people applying for subsidies. So, if you want to lie, you can get an almost free ride.

    Obama: he’s all about the free stuff.

  • NebDave77

    Because they have something called pride. They don’t want to be on gov. healthcare.

  • HuGnu

    Well if that is your point, then no one will get it, as it is not true. Romney tried to get votes through that divisive attempt, but it is completely innaccurate.

  • HuGnu

    yes I read it. Did you? Did you read the report it was based on? Did you read that it lacks the information to make this kind of conclusion. Perhaps reading requires more than just running your eyes back and forth.
    This claims is unable to be verified, and thus the claim is inaccurate.
    Please think before your respond, and maybe do the research that this article left out.

  • NebDave77

    Can I ask you a question? Is the United States still hunting Osama bin Laden? The reason I ask is because it has been all over the liberal news that companies are reducing hours due to the health care law. The only way you wouldn’t know this is if you have your head buried in the sand. Which based on your comments is a distinct possibility.

  • gerardharbison

    There won’t be a significantly better deal. There are very limited options on the exchange. BCBS Nebraska is not-for-profit and the state’s biggest insurer.

  • Brucew56

    Better wake up. Companies are not hiring workers and those that are hired are part time, like 77% parttime. Companies can’t afford to pay healthcare for workers anymore. Not communism, really, when some people’s premiums go up 100% or more, and others get free care. Those that can afford the bronze plans will find low premiums and $5,000 deductibles waiting. That should really help, right? Obumble lied, like always, and a lot of low info voters swallowed it.

  • HuGnu

    OMG- Sarah Palin rhetoric is alive.
    All of this crap has been found to be lies and nothing more.
    So climb back into the spaceship as the probe was not completed yet. They are still looking for your brain activity.

  • gerardharbison

    We live here, idiot. Our neighbors are getting these letters. There are other newspaper articles about individual insurance policies going up by 80% – 250%. Go back to OFA; nobody’s buying your snake oil.

  • NebDave77

    Oh if this was the only article out there like it, but wait, rates are being raised all over the country, and this isn’t the only artticle saying it. You could take this article away and there would still be HUNDREDS more behind it.

  • gerardharbison

    Really? Tell me one insurance plan offered in Nebraska that has gotten cheaper. Put up or shut up.

  • Libertarian01a

    No. The point is. If someone who can afford health insurance declines to get it, the consequences are on them and not someone else. It is called personal responsibility and bearing the consequences there off. Unfortunately, our country no longer believes in personal responsibility. Your inability to understand this simple concept is what is wrong with many today. If it’s your choice, it’s your consequences. It is not a constitutional right to have someone else pay for your wrong or bad decision.

  • HuGnu

    When the BUY another plan it is another plan. If they want to pay more they can, but that is rather dumb.
    No one is going on government healthcare who is BUYING their own policy.
    Do you even understand the basics of Health Insurance purchasing? I am sure BCBS would love to have you as an insuree. They could charge you anything and you would pay it because you are “proud” The rest of the world calls this stupid.

  • disqus_lJapfzCIUh

    Those “Exchanges” will be mostly run by the Obama’s Rat Party’s Friends…BC/BS met in April to get on to most of these exchanges and will reap $billions…While I’m going to pay double for my insurance…in the Obama plan….I will also be complicit in the deaths/murders of 111,500 abortions/babies per year for all those women who screamed at the Obama rallies…”Keep off my body”…Stay out of my va–na…yet they have NO problems getting in my pockets to steal my money for their whatever…Paying for birth controls is fine by me but…if one is so stupid to not be careful….then…it’s up to you to pay…Obama said…I do not want my daughters to be punished with a baby/pregnancy” Then darn pay up fools…you are so stupid that you were not even responsible for… voting all for Obama’s “war on women”…Pick and choose who his cronies will be in the health scams it took Obama three years to really screwup the American People…What is he going to give them? All Ambassadorships have already been given to his Solar Panels Cronies…This is the largest Hoax/Tax Increase in the history of the US…AND…Harry and Nancy get to keep their big funding of OBAMACARE …but…pay up Obama’s Stooges…Such a transparent Obama’s Administration…

  • HuGnu

    Have you checked out the Market place, or are you just going by the errors in thsi article?
    “I would say on average, most customers will see some level of increase, but we do have several thousand that are seeing a rate decrease,” said Tom Gilsdorf, director of product development for Blue Cross.
    Even Blue Cross has policies with rate decreases.
    Perhaps reading the article completely would help with your understanding.

  • gerardharbison

    Tell me one insurance plan offered in Nebraska that has gotten cheaper. Put up or shut up.

    The marketplace does not even start operating until October 1.

  • HuGnu

    And there are hundreds of others that oppose this point of view. My only comment is that this is not factual, and is not based on anything real. I am sure that the facts do not matter much to you.

  • HuGnu

    Is this comment day for the tinfoil hat crew. All the whackos are out today.

  • HuGnu

    The ENROLLMENT Starts Oct first. The numbers have been available, and if this was really important to you, you would have checked it out. My guess is that you are not concerned about this, but just trolling.

  • HuGnu

    So you are willing to let the insurance companies drive the cost of health insurance. Well you just go ahead and pay more than you need to if you want. The rest of us (if people decide to be smart) will seek out the best policy for the lowest cost. (You may have heard of this type of action – its called the American Way.)

  • disqus_lJapfzCIUh

    Well…HuGnu…we will see soon…but…as an Obama Stooge…you will most probably get an Exemption…and will have no fear in stealing from others…food stamps….housing…and all…I guess the Rat Party has to load up on BC./Condoms courtesy of the tax payers because without a job these will be needed to keep you from going into a deep depression….

  • HuGnu

    You seem to not know what the exchange is (think shopping mall – many companies all side by side) No one is “forced” into the exchange, as the exchange is all about choice. You get to pick the plan that is best for you.
    Medicaid Expansion would have decreased the number of low income people needing to shop the exchange, and the plans would not need to be calculating against their possible use and costs. Those who would have been included in the Expansion would be those who may use insurance more, but have not been able to get care. Their initial entry into the users of the system may be costly. This is one factor influencing the higher rates for the 27 year olds.

  • HuGnu

    There are no expemptions, but there are tax credits, which many will enjoy.
    And many like the Birth control available. Free Condoms have been available for a long time. It is scary that you are not aware of this health care benefit.

  • Libertarian01a

    She is a self proclaimed 77 year old confined to a wheel chair overseeing her terminal daughter, aren’t we all? At one time through marriage she was a neighbor of James Cagney and is a friend of the Clintons. Yet she only receives 12,000.00 a year plus I assume a subsidized apartment and free health care for the poor. Your assessment is right on in this case.

  • HuGnu

    The companies not hiring has little to do with the cost of health insurance. Those that have talked about using parttime workers will soon change back. It is a foolish business model to have less than full time, as they are overall more productive and less costly.
    You may recall that Health Insurance became a work benefit to lure and keep employees when wages were frozen.
    Once the lumps are all worked out, the business community will start loving having healthier people at work.

  • HuGnu

    WOW – you are something. Facts dont matter so you turn to the most idiotic of all possible reactions. The work issue is not a firm as it was a few weeks back. The threat did not do much, and the bluff has been called. Businesses will not shoot themselves in the foot and kill their business and profits jsut to keep protesting the oncoming reality.
    Businesses that work to destroy the economy are not the businesses we need. Let them collapse like the dinosaurs that they are. New Businesses will rise in their place. Don’t the republicans believe that they can do anything, is not America Exceptional?

  • HuGnu

    The subsidy is paid when you file your income tax. Just like the fine will be.
    I don’t think even Fox news in promoting your particular set of lies.

  • HuGnu

    YOu are not limited from taking care of yourself and you family. Your moral obligation to family does not excuse you from other social obligations.

  • HuGnu

    Was this a commercial of a TV Show?
    Not sure what a promo for 48 hours does for the conversation.

  • Libertarian01a

    Well no exemptions unless you are an Obama supporter and a union that has Cadillac health care plan. Then you get a waiver so you don’t have to pay the tax on the Cadillac plan. And what was it the last thing the unions asked the government for since Obama care was going to kill their membership?

    Union Letter: Obamacare Will ‘Destroy The Very Health and Wellbeing’ of Workers

    Rest assured in the end, Obama will find a way to change that also. And how about big business’ that do not have to comply for another year. But the poor get no such dispensation from the compassionate Dems. But there are no exemptions. Just tax credits. Question, for the poor who pay no taxes now, what good is a tax credit? Oh yes, they get money from the IRS because they are poor. Can you say massive fraud? It is also scary that someone doesn’t realize that the price can not go down if you add coverages and sense the government has added 10 coverages, then the price has to go up. That is how the free market works and what the liberals don’t understand. It is only cheaper for some because you take money from others to pay for it. Nothing is for free no matter how many times the libs click their heels together. The only birth control a man gets from insurance is a vasectomy. Heh, in the name of equality, let’s give to the women what we give to the men!

  • HuGnu

    And as Mike is showing, people CHOOSE to be asses.

  • HuGnu

    It is unfortuante that we have Heineman as our Republican Governor. Longest serving governor, but least effective leader.

  • HuGnu

    “I would say on average, most customers will see some level of increase, but we do have several thousand that are seeing a rate decrease,” said Tom Gilsdorf, director of product development for Blue Cross.

  • HuGnu

    The constitution does not guarantee a lot of things that we want to enjoy. Health could be covered under the inalienable rights that do not need the constituion.

  • Libertarian01a

    Hu only cares about facts that support his position. You can go through all of his post and there will be upwards of hundreds that say if you don’t have the facts then your post means nothing. Obviously from his above non-factual post, it doesn’t apply to an intellectual such as him. He makes despicable me look like and angel. I wish he would go back into over worked brain stupor. It was so nice here until he finally showed up with his Obama religion.

  • HuGnu

    Yes allowing competition and a market zone for purchasing are definitely socialist.

  • HuGnu

    Who says it is a civil right? Health Care is a Human Right that is not “Provided” by the constitution

  • Libertarian01a

    They have already admitted they are not going to look for those who do not health care and fine them. Doesn’t he read anything that is accurate?

  • Libertarian01a

    Who is more stupid. The republican governor staying in a republican state or the liberals who live ther and complain about it? It seems that the mental health care was put in by the Dems. just for their support base.

  • HuGnu

    Exactly the opposite. You get to choose your coverage. What that cverage covers has PUBLIC HEALTH Mandates.

  • HuGnu

    Actually charity hsopitals have been doing that long before there was any tax incentive for other hospitals to join in.
    Of course most of us are ok with not having dead bodies lying around the town.

  • Libertarian01a

    Babies regardless of age or position also have a human right to life. But that doesn’t stop Hu and his friends from killing them. Of course to libs. the only right anyone has is the one they choose to give to you.

  • HuGnu

    Was this a quote from Ebeneezer Scrooge? “If they are going to die let them do so and decrease the surplus population.”

  • HuGnu

    Irrelevant question.
    Stated only because he has lost his prior arguement and is trying to distract

  • HuGnu

    Irrelevant comment. As she is just nuts and lives in fear od a world that doesn’t exist.

  • Libertarian01a

    To amplify. Blue Cross and Blue shield were started, one by doctors and one by hospitals, to help the poor. It was a great market based solution for the problem. That is until government got into it and screwed it all up. Most libs do not want to go to the beginning to see the real truth. They stop when they believe they proven their point.

  • HuGnu

    It was actually Flavor Aid. And you are the one that sounds like a cult member.
    Nothing we are discussing has anything to do with China. Try to stay focused.

  • HuGnu

    No it is your Ford is costing you $600 each month, you can keep it or buy the Chevy for $450, the Mercedes $1000, but each company needs to provide adequate maintenance for what you buy.
    If you buy a Cadillac plan, it will be taxed as a higher benefit.

  • HuGnu

    It is the GOP that is on life support. The Tea Party infection has spread to the point where amputation is needed.

  • HuGnu

    If there was a vote here, one of those diagnoses would be in question.

  • Libertarian01a

    So there you are again. Who is speaking to you? It is not up to a moron like you to decide who has which rights and who does not. You are not god and you certainly do not have the intellect or objectivity to do anything that does not elevate your selfishness. Besides, your point has nothing to do with the conversation. The lady said it was a constitutional right. It is not. You’re unwanted intrusions that can not even stay on topic are boorish and predictable. If you can’t keep to the topic, go some where else. And since there is ample evidence that you can not stick to the topic, that means you should leave now. You don’t even have the common courtesy or intelligence to do as I ask and not respond to me. What an egotistical troglodyte.

  • HuGnu

    Then you should get out of any insurance plan, if all you want is money available for what you need. You can pay the fine and stuff the rest of the money into an account to be used when you need it, and never again have to worry if other people have put in enough to cover what you need.

  • HuGnu

    Sorry, you have not put in enough money to pay for that, and you do not want to use money that other people have put in, as that would be socialism. Pay for you own transplant, we are not ready to give you a hand out.

  • Libertarian01a

    Which makes you what for supporting abortion? If you don’t fear death, then death doesn’t matter. For those of faith, we do not fear death. For those who are not, I understand your fear. Do not project the fear of your faith on others. As your alter ego (curious) states, quit ramming your religion down other people throats.

  • Brucew56

    Real competition! Huge insurance and pharmacy companies who were bought off, corps who were given a mandate reprieve. Market zones are also a joke. My area has two providers. Big choice. But that’s not the socialist part. It’s all the subsidies and carve-outs to persuade, and then raising premiums on families that used to be able to have healthcare. A bill so bad that Piglosi didn’t even read it!

  • HuGnu

    Scare tactics like this are not working. The only one who believe the sky is falling are the ones who wanted a republican to be able to run for election again AS A REPUBLICAN

  • HuGnu

    Dial 1-900- TED-CRUZ.

  • HuGnu

    It never has been. It is still the company setting the rates.
    Your choice of other companies is now greater than it ever has been.

  • HuGnu

    This is where the conversation STARTED 30 years ago.

  • HuGnu

    And we will sleep well. You that are pacingback and forth hoping for it to fail so that people can not have the Health Services they need are the ones who need to worry about how you sleep.

  • HuGnu

    ANd the GOOD LORD is not going to be happy with you.

  • HuGnu

    YOu can ask President Romney – oh wait – people did not believe his lies. LOL

  • Dave

    If you like your plan, there is nothing stopping you from keeping it! It might be cheaper for you to check into what a comperable “Obamacare” plan would cost.

  • HuGnu

    It is so sad that the smart people like you lost. Tell us again how smart you are? You couldn’t win an election because your were too smart? You can’t figure out how to keep people healthy because you are so smart?
    Not sure if you are qualified to call people stupid when you lose elections and can’t get legislation passed.

  • Brucew56

    Not true, the cost of insurance us now a prime reason for not hiring full time workers. The new “full time work week” is 30 hours or more. Anyone who works over 29 hours must be provided insurance or company has to okay a penalty. So businesses hire pt workers and the workers go on exchanges. Businesses want ft workers but can’t afford new insurance rates or requirements.
    Insurance once was a lure to keep workers in low paying industries, like government. Then unions started demanding 100% of worker insurance until workers and their dependents died (aka Detroit) along with high wages.
    Obumblecare will collapse under its own wright and taxpayer outrage.

  • HuGnu

    They do not proclaim to be telling the truth. If fact they are not even mentioning the conclusions that others are making.

  • Libertarian01a

    You missed the point again moron. Move on to the Dr. Seuss site where you might understand what is being said.

  • HuGnu

    You were never listening to Obama is the first place, so don’t give us any crap about what he “TOLD YOU”

  • HuGnu

    ZZZZZZZZZZ

  • HuGnu

    zzzzzzzzz

  • HuGnu

    Happens all the time. Nothing new here.

  • HuGnu

    BLUE CROSS sets their own rates. This is a BCBS problem, Obama is not licensed to sell insurance in Nebraska.

  • HuGnu

    Speaking on behalf of all Americans, we would be glad if you would find another country to take you hate to. We can get along just fine without you.

  • HuGnu

    And you endorse it a couple years ago and only now are coming out against it? Are is this just some drama crap.

  • HuGnu

    As in the end where Sam I am finds out that it was foolish to be against something without really knowing what it is.
    And cut the childish name calling. It really makes it hard for you to come across as an “expert” on dealing with children when you are acting like one.

  • HuGnu

    Ebeneezer Scrooge was in the social criticism written by Charles Dickens.
    You seem to go so far out of your way to say something insulting to people even if it has nothing to do with what you are commenting on.
    Try being rational and being reasonable, or just keep your nastiness to yourself.

  • HuGnu

    NO one hear is talking about abortion.
    This is a straw man arguement, which means that you have no real defense for your position. Which means that all you are really doing here is trolling.

  • Libertarian01a

    Yet, he is the man all you libs like to point to, to defend Obama care. Losers pointing to a looser because they weren’t smart enough to do it on their own making up a loosing plan. WOW aren’t you the smart ones. Oh wait, you don’t want to be smart, you want to win regardless of the consequences. What makes me laugh hardest, as a Federal retiree, you pay for my health care. It is subsidized at 75% from losers like you and it will not change unlike yours. And most important, I could care less who is the President. Unlike you, I know that in the real world, it doesn’t matter who is in charge! ROFLMAO
    Putz!!

  • HuGnu

    None of that equals socialism, even if any of it were true. What do you mean your “area” only has “two providers” I am guessing you really for not understand this at all.

  • HuGnu

    There were not charity organizations, one was started at Baylor University and the other by the lumber industry, they have merged and are a federation of organizations having their own section in the tax code.
    Do not invent facts or myths to present a new world view.

  • HuGnu

    I believe it is you are are the boorish and predictable one, who resorts to childish namecalling and invents lies. It is not really clear if you every have a point or if it is just your grumpiness manifesting itself from an unfulfilled life.
    Take your own advice, as it is more pertinent to you anyway.

  • HuGnu

    Completely irrational and irrelevent comment. But not unexpected.

  • HuGnu

    Having said all this, you have really said nothing. Go back and reread my comments and the logic of business before you repeat yourself once again.
    The Tea party talking points are not valid if your really do not understand what they mean.

  • HuGnu

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  • HuGnu

    wow – you really can argue both sides and still say nothing. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  • Curious

    Ah how did you forget the most important part of the equation…OUR governor refused to accept the Federal Funds to cover Medicaid increases and because of his refusal the Insurance Industry here in Nebraska has DECIDED to take advantage of their clients and raise their rates. Corporations ROCK….

  • Libertarian01a

    I try to save my worse nastiness for you. You deserve it. You could use some humble. (Look it up in the dictionary not written by the libs. It is not a virus as you believe now!) I’m surprised you know who Dickens or Scrooge are. Although in your revisionist world. Dickens would be a Dem. and Scrooge a Rep.until he changed and then he was Curious. Notice I say little insulting to others. I assume you came back because then kids on Seuss kicked you out? If you don’t like the nastiness, stop commenting to me. Obviously you love the attention. Masochist? You should stop cutting yourself also. I bet the neighborhood kids bully you on Facebook don’t they? Putz!

  • Libertarian01a

    Good, he is finally gone!! It was so nice before he woke up. And the z’s are the first thing he has written that make any sense.

  • Libertarian01a

    WOW, didn’t you bring up the ignorant argument about Human rights? You don’t even know what a human is. So you opened the door. If you don’t want your barbarian beliefs put on display for all to see, don’t say stupid stuff. By the way, do you ever admit to the women that being pro life is only so you can get some? Putz!

  • Curious

    Ya you all, listen to torin….regulations is the problem, that drives costs up…we should be able to re use needles, hell who cares if dothes people get Aids…lets wash the sheets in the hospital once a week so we can save on soap…hell in the old days patients didn’t need an anesthetic, have em bite on a bullet…RIGHT torin, you get my vote.

  • Libertarian01a

    I do believe it was you who said the best thing I ever wrote was how wrong you always are and how you contradict yourself depending on what moronic point you want to make at the time. You’re so vain, I bet you think this writing is about you. Putz!

  • Libertarian01a

    Which in Hu speaks means, I don’t understand. You are the closes thing to living proof that we maybe descended from the apes.

  • Libertarian01a

    Truth is. We can’t even hear that with your head so far up your anus. But you can only hide from the facts until you die. I hope you find them soon.

  • HuGnu

    No you are nasty, because it is a part of you. Do not try to dump that off on to someone else. You need to be responsible for you. As for Dickens – the Scrooge character is nor political per se, but illustrates a social type who cares little for the other. You exemplify this very well, in your tone and in your words. Your false embrace of “libertarianism” is the real revisionist view. You are not about each person being able to embrace their own destiny, but a more self centered approach that even has the desire for some to be hurt in order that you can feel better. As for the rest of your comments, your need to put me down is not surprising as I challenge you to think beyond your bumper sticker existence, and that creates fear. You may have to actually start liking people and communicating with respect, and face those internal demons that make you need to put down others just to survive one more day of being you. I will make no bargains with you, and no one needs incentives to do the right thing. I will expect you to act more grown up when you post, and to communicate without the name calling. As a retired person, you realize that you are much to old to ask like a preadolescent. In short, keep your comments focused to the subject and not to other people. If you find you do not have anything to say when you are left only with the option of calling names, do not write anything. Those are not contributions. Thanks.

  • HuGnu

    it is.
    I do not believe how obsessed you are with me.
    It is downright scary.

    We both realize how much you could learn from me, but this is rather ridiculous.

  • HuGnu

    It is good that you are learning about evolution. I knew you would start showing some progress if you just kept at it long enough. Though politics and logic seem to be among your poorest subject. But we will keep working under my mentorship, you shall thrive.

  • HuGnu

    OK

  • Curious

    LIE, LIE, LIE…..How do you sleep at night and what kind of example are you for your family. The Affordable Care Act does not nor will it kill more people than it will help. You really believe people who read this blog will have any respect for what you say after reading such garbage? It is a sign of how stupid you really are.

  • Curious

    I agree, my 98 y/o father just had the first surgery in his life and it was a bowel resection. The surgery was 3 1/2 hours long and his surgeons bill alone was $80,000.00. By the time all the other bills come in his life savings will be gone.

  • ConscienceCit

    Before insurance companies really got their fingers in the public’s pockets it was a single payer system. From my pocket to my doctor’s pocket. The service was excellent and the cost cheap! Then we had do-gooders think insurance would be better…….

  • Curious

    BossMan you are wasting your breath with Mike. Don’t you know everything is President Obamas fault and Irag and Afghanistan and the new drug plan for seniors were all of Budget therefore they had nothing to do with President Bush. It’s President Obama!

  • Curious

    What’s with the stupid talk? Where can you show FACT that ANY funds, “billions” have been sent to the Muslim brotherhood. Talk about uniformed, even Democrats would be all over that information like flies on poop! Darrell Isaa would have world headlines if that were even a wet dream. Really, a billion dollars?

  • Curious

    We are there because Bush, Cheney, Powell and Rummy lied to us as a country and then you Republicans made it impossible for this country to pull out of either war due to the war mongering side of the Republican Party like John McCain and Lindsey Grahmn. I realize you think you know everything but it would be terrific if you could give credit where credit is due…the two wars are Bush and Cheney’s. President Obama is trying to deal with their mess and it is time that you have a little respect for him. He is not stupid, you may be but he is not.

  • Curious

    Oh doom, oh gloom…you people just can’t stand it. It is the same things you said when segregation ended, women could vote, when prohibition was repealed. Change is so hard to deal with especially when it helps millions of people in a positive way.

  • plumberskid

    They’re not “free” numb-nutz. Someone (ie; tax payers) pays for them. do you really think the manufacturer gives them away for nothing? Are all of you libs this stupid? (never mind, that was a rhetorical question….).And if you consider how much several million “free” condoms cost taxpayers every year, try to imagine how much we’ll be on the hook for when you start throwing in CT scans, MRIs, labs, surgical procedures, medications…..I say it’s about damn time for you to start paying for your own damn condoms.

  • Curious

    There you go HuGnu…Libertarian01a has spoken. He is the god of the blog and he knows every thing and what is good for every body cuz he is real live FAR RIGHT NUT JOB RELIGOUS ZELOT who thinks he can kick anyone off the blog site. In reality he actually projects onto others what he actually is himself.

  • Curious

    Don’t you ever get tired of the same old song and dance? Others sure get tired of reading the same old shit.

  • plumberskid

    Gee, I wonder how much more those folks already pay in taxes than you do? I’ll bet it’s a lot. And why would you assume that Republicans don’t get sick? One more thing….I work in the health care industry, and the ones with the “gold level insurance” are those already on the dole. Medicaid is the cream of the crop as it covers everything that my private insurance does, and doesn’t cost the “policy holder” a dime. At every hospital I’ve ever worked at, it’s called “the gold card”…..

  • plumberskid

    I sleep just fine. Of course, I’m exhausted from working 2 jobs to make ends meet, pay taxes and my health care premiums which have gone up by over 25% in the last year alone. I’m not sure how you can live with yourself, knowing that if it weren’t for taxpayers, you would not be able to take care of yourself and your family. You must feel pretty useless, knowing that you can be replaced by “the government”.

  • plumberskid

    How would you know?

  • plumberskid

    And Romney has admitted that his plan was a mistake….BTW, 50 employees is still considered a small business, just so you know.

  • plumberskid

    But you believe all of Obama’s lies…and he lies a lot.

  • plumberskid

    Being right wing does not automatically mean “rabid” and it does not imply “propaganda”. Too bad the same can’t be said for all of the “rabid leftwing propaganda machines” out there…..

  • plumberskid

    Well, if you figure that the other countries with socialized medicine withhold care from citizens that they deem unworthy, and allow them to die off, and only keep track of the healthy ones that are left, then yeah, it looks like our healthcare system doesn’t measure up. But those other countries are much smaller and have far fewer citizens to take care of. And many of their citizens come HERE for their medical care. I wonder why that is???

  • plumberskid

    It’s not too hard to win elections when they are rigged….so, yeah. I guess we’re not smart enough to cheat. but “the end justifies the means” has always been the Democrat’s motto, not ours.

  • plumberskid

    Excuse me, but until now, at least he had the option of NOT purchasing an insurance plan that did not have what his family needed. In fact, he didn’t have to purchase any insurance if he didn’t want to. Dolt.

  • plumberskid

    Wait until you find out that you are Sam.

  • Libertarian01a

    How shall I answer such an educated response. You are, without a doubt, the most unmitigated, narcissistic ass I have ever met. You have no idea of what you speak. You are at best delusional, at the most, psychotic. You asked me to stop posting to you and I did., I asked the same thing and you intensify your messages to me. It is apparent that your world revolves around me and you can not get away from me. You are obsessed with me and have delusions about what you might mean to me. You like to be treated like a slave. It is your S&M side. Shall I put a dog collar around your neck to really get you off? Calling you pitiful would be giving the type of complement you crave from me. Go back to your fantasies about naked children that you expressed several stories back. I shall change your name to Gollum although that may be doing a grave disservice to that character. Pedophile!

  • Libertarian01a

    Nice potty mouth! Are you proud of it?

  • sharla

    You know, true conservatives aren’t in disagreement with you on that one Dustin. A fiscal free-market conservative does NOT support corporate welfare otherwise known as crony-capitalism. It’s a revolving door between congress/corporations (certain ones anyway) The legislation and/or regulations that come out of the Congress is a testament to that.

  • Dustin Wade

    I would say your nuts. Bush is a criminal and needs to be tried as such. Leaning that way towards Obama with the invasion of privacy.

  • Dustin Wade

    Now that is a joke. Even if your a republican you have to admit Bush Jr. came off as an idiot.

  • Dustin Wade

    Er I thought I already replied to this…I think you are confused on what I was saying. Was not saying you needed to look at Affordable Heathcare differently.

  • sharla

    Romney lost because he was not likeable, he was a horrible candidate. As a liberty leaning conservative, I was livid that is who we got this time around. Eff it , I wrote-in Ron Paul, at least I slept well that night. And no one had better say “my vote didn’t count”…at the end of the day it counted to me.

  • sharla

    And then he said “free market” and I laughed and laughed and laughed.

  • jabba

    What’s the point in arguing and being angry with anyone with a different political view? Republicans/Conservatives aren’t going to change Democrats/Liberals minds and vice versa . Every president is to blame for something….back and forth on who did this or who’s fault is it…yada yada yada. Presidents can say alot of things, but actions speak louder than words…so show us what you said you were going to do (speaking in general about politicians) and then maybe we would have more respect for them. Just my opinion, for what its worth

  • Dave

    The Affordable Care Act was supposed to be a single-payer system. Once the Republicans started rescuing their corporate sponsors, the legislation grew in complexity a d restored money going here and there. I was highly displeased to find out that our health coverage is going up about 25%. If Romney thought it was so good in Massachusetts, why did he spew hot air about dismantling the ACA? Was the Federal Version more complicated because the Tea Party rallying cry demonstrates their hypocrisy and selfishness, anything not President Obama, or socialism?

  • ZSZ

    I learned a long time ago that one cannot reason with liberals. So i stopped.
    I don’t wan to talk to them, mingle with them or live next to them.
    Actually, I don’t want anything to do with them. I just wish they would leave me alone. Please don’t wast your time. They will never admit when they are wrong; they simply blame everybody else.

  • Berlin Veteran

    So you have no issue that the bill was over 1000 pages dropped on congress and the senate with no time to read it? That Nancy Pelosi said you have to vote for it to find out what’s in it. Middle Class family will see about a 50-75% increase and you have no problem with that? It has come time that as citizens of the United States of America that we put aside the falsities of what we hope will happen and look at the record that the US Government has with being fiscally responsible. How about we take the Social Security Administration and examine how well they performed their custodial duty. Considering the government has access to investment opportunities that provide maximum return on investments. Why after years and years of taxpayers and businesses contributing to retirement accounts is there a supply problem with funds? Did they loan the money to themselves right after they raided the Social Security Trust Fund and put the money in the General Fund? They deregulate the telecommunication industry so that conglomerates can gather up media outlets and control what you receive for news. As far as the tin foil hat remark, I would have to say, Wow, how succinctly you demonstrated your ability to refute any information or provide something intelligent to the discussion. By the way the true definition of a Conspiracy Theorists is someone that questions the statements made by know liars. Now suppose for one minute that somewhere in the future it will be determined that Pres. Barrack Obama has violated his oath of office and evidence is submitted and leads to his conviction. Situations where he did things that you thought were not true but were later proven to be true. Would you consider that egg on your face? Would you then wish that you had done a better job of vetting whom you were supporting? If you support Obama fine then at least say that and own it and his Obamacare. Defend the 1,600+ pages of a bill that even if you read it once could comprehend maybe 1%. Why if it is so good are SEIU and other unions asking for a waiver from it? Government officials wanting waivers from it. Face it, it is a bad bill and while it may help some it hurts others. Is that how we fix this problem?

  • Berlin Veteran

    Are you even a real person? Have anything constructive to add to the discussion? I have dealt with your kind before and unfortunately even if I could explain it to you I can’t understand it for you.

  • Berlin Veteran

    Ohh I get it you and Curious are extremists. ;)

  • Berlin Veteran

    No, not really!! He was a puppet like the one before him and the one after him. Google the Eleanor Holmes Norton audio on her asking for a donation from a lobbyist. This is how our government conducts business.

  • danny

    If there is ever a sequel to JFK”S “Profiles in Courage, Ben Nelson will be the subject of the first chapter! Two great Americans who saw the common good and acted to acheive it regardless of the personal consequences

  • aknntharnld

    hope all you Obama voters are proud of the way the average American workers will be ripped off by obamacare.

  • Kenneth Arnold

    you paid to. So your fine with people being ripped off.

  • Kenneth Arnold

    curious
    Even most low information voters have suspected that our president is a closet muslim

  • Kenneth Arnold

    No he is not stupid, Just arrogant. I know that you are all right that American workers are being ripped off by the socialized obamacare. Lets just go to work and give our pay checks to the government. Then maybe they will
    decide what we need to get back as our fair share. He still owns the afgan war.

  • danny

    And a high-end premium. The key word here is “affordable”.

  • Kenneth Arnold

    If you are going to write something, make sense of it. not gibberish

  • Kenneth Arnold

    oh, a radical far left cradle to grave socialist(commie) democrat

  • HuGnu

    You idiotic rant is not worth responding to. If you want to just bitch, find another forum. It you want to discuss, try using facts and cut the name calling out. This is not your fifth grade classroom.

  • HuGnu

    Because of the hate you project in your comments. The GOOD LORD is not about you hating things, That is your own demon.

  • HuGnu

    Keep focused please. You argue even when you don’t understand the subject.

  • HuGnu

    And Sam discovered he liked ObamaCare.
    Apparently you did not read the book to the end. LOL

  • HuGnu

    As you have never MET me, and as you just describe you own self hatred in all your posts, I will ignore your rant once again. Now try actually doing what you claim you are, and try heeding the advice to pour out to others and cannot live up to yourself.

  • danny

    Universal health care has been on the radar longer than 30 years.The topic for high school/university debating teams in the 1944-1948 pod was “Shall the US Congress Estish a System of

  • HuGnu

    I am not sure anyone was concerned about your vote counting.

  • HuGnu

    And she laughed while paying more than she needed, because she failed to understand that she could shop for a better product.

  • HuGnu

    Yes I am extremely concerned that people do not die when they do not have to, and extremely devoted to people having good health services. There are extremes that most people should favor.
    Do you have things that you value that are really important, or do you just go with the flow?

  • Curious

    I am proud to say us “libs” believe in choice and we don’t run around as a minority group demanding things be our way or the highway as we scream “you all are baby killers”, yet you folks don’t mind killing adults like Dr. Tiller!

  • Curious

    You are the joke of the day! Pat Boone started that story five years ago. You Evangelicals have got to expand your information sources.

  • Curious

    Really? And our president is a Muslum!

  • Curious

    I will answer your questions later. In the mean time Libertarian91a seems to know all about me except he has some of his facts wrong, par for the course for the radical that he is. You are correct, insurance company’s are raising their premiums because they know Universal Health Care is a good thing and existing insurance company’s have been making huge profits for years while providing services few services for those who need it the most.

  • Curious

    Your aren’t we all snide remark is so, so rude. My daughter cannot stand, dress herself, feed herself, get into or out of her bed. I take care of her, I do not take any public money for her care. I did not kill her when I learned she would not be a healthy normal child. You SUCK Libertarian91a. YOU are the most unchristian like and I won’t even use the term human I have ever encountered. God has a special place for people like you and it is very hot there.

  • Brucew56

    Here’s your future-wise acre!
    First comes ObamaCare, then something else?
    By Peter Morici
    Republicans must live with ObamaCare. They have few prospects for electing 60 senators needed to repeal the law, and unless they work to make it more palatable — something they have few ideas to accomplish. It’s a fact, the nation is headed for socialized medicine.

    ObamaCare seeks to substantially reduce the ranks of uninsured:

    - It requires businesses with more than 50 employees to provide health insurance.
    - Requires persons without employer insurance to purchase coverage, with federal subsidies for low and moderate income households.
    - Expands Medicaid eligibility to many families with incomes up to 133 percent of the poverty line.
    - Establishes government-run exchanges to facilitate purchase of health insurance.
    - Imposes minimum coverage standards for private policies.
    - Requires that insurance companies not turn away individuals with pre-existing conditions or charge them more than healthy policyholders.

    Minimum coverage requirements and the ban on factoring pre-existing conditions into rates are driving up premiums. Large businesses, like Trader Joe’s and Home Depot, are dropping coverage for part-time employees.

    Smaller businesses and healthy young people are seeing premiums jump — sometimes by 300 percent. The former are finding it cheaper to drop plans for full-time employees and pay a penalty starting in 2015.

    German and other European health care systems accomplish lower costs and universal coverage by imposing tight controls on prices for services, drugs and devices.
    Many healthy young people will calculate it is better to forego coverage and pay a modest penalty — after all a 30-year old earning $50,000 really can’t easily afford $4000 for insurance, making a $500 penalty appear modest. Even some middle income families will find similar math compelling.

    This will leave health insurance exchanges with too many sick people and too few healthy ones. This will drive up premiums further, compel more businesses and individuals to forgo insurance, and create enormous political pressure to increase federal insurance subsidies for low and middle income individuals and families.

    Medicare’s actuaries expect health costs per person, across the entire population, to rise from about $9,200 in 2013 to about $14,700 in 2022. That’s about 20 percent of GDP, whereas Germany spends about 12 and Britain even less.

    Large U.S. multinationals will find providing most employees with insurance too expensive if they are to compete in global markets, and dump their employees into subsidized public exchanges.

    It will still be impossible for the GOP to win 60 Senate seats on a platform to repeal ObamaCare. Although many folks will be without coverage, too many voters will depend on federal subsidies or Medicaid, and simply won’t vote to give up those entitlements.

    The burden to find solutions will take Congress to places that Republicans are very reluctant to go.

    The German and other European systems accomplish lower costs and universal coverage by imposing tight controls on prices for services, drugs and devices. Britain’s National Health Service doesn’t bother with insurance companies and claims forms—by eliminating insurance company overhead it accomplishes much lower costs than even the German system.

    Even before ObamaCare, federal and state governments, through Medicare, Medicaid and other programs, paid more than 50 percent of U.S. health care bills. That was more than the 9 percent of GDP, and the amount Britain spends to accomplish universal coverage—without the additional $4,600 per person American businesses and individuals pony up.

    Reducing U.S. doctors fees and drug and device prices down to German levels won’t be easy or likely possible, but politicians, providers and businesses still providing health insurance will need a solution — likely a scapegoat.

    Enter the insurance companies that have been screwing down doctor’s fees, hassling everyone with mindless paperwork and paying executives like royalty.

    The federal government could probably pay doctors, drug companies and device manufactures pretty reasonably directly, and without the insurance company middle-men, through an American National Health Service.

  • Curious

    I might add to the below statements also…I do not live in subsidized housing as I worked as a healthcare provider and cared for my daughter. I purchased a home and paid for same. I, unlike you, do not run around crying about how you have had to work three jobs to make it and life has been so HARD. You have not, nor will never walk in my shoes. Assume, as you say, makes an ass-of-u-and-me so stop now. You do not know me. Thank God I am a person who can be proud of how I treat others and who I am. I don’t run around making threats to women because they believe differently than you. You are not their god nor are you their judge. You are a plaque on society.

  • Kirk welch

    PMSL, yea like we got Gov out of the Banking Industry, that worked out well didn’t it?

  • HuGnu

    LOL – you use a Fox News Tea Party Express Opinion piece that ends says nothing to support the fact that you still have no idea what this is all about.
    LOL – Fox News – LOL

  • HuGnu

    Is that Socialism

  • Curious

    EXCUSE ME! Off Budget in President Bush’s Budget that was approved during his presidency. It was his lies and Cheney’s lies that led us into the wars in the first place. They both belong in prison.

  • Mother&Nurse

    Here are some facts, Who Knew! My current family plan was $1,134/month. Now the closest thing to it would be $1,862/month!
    Facts about my current plan:
    Family Deductible
    In-Network: $3,000
    Family Deductible:
    Coinsurance: 20%
    Family Out of Pocket
    In-Network: $8,000
    Office visit copay: $40
    Current Family Premium:$1,134/month
    Now the plan closest to what I have!:
    Family Deductible
    In-Network: $2,000
    Coinsurance: 20%
    Family Out of Pocket
    In-Network: $8,000
    Office visit copay: $20-$30
    2014 Family Premium: $1,862/month
    Now the cheapest plan that is not a High-Deductible Health Plan (HDHP)
    Family Deductible
    In-Network: $11,000
    Coinsurance: 20%
    Family Out of Pocket
    In-Network: $12,700
    Office visit copay: Deductible & Coinsurance
    2014 Family Premium: $1,297.52
    Now the plan they recommend
    Family Deductible
    In-Network: $7,000
    Coinsurance: 50%
    Family Out of Pocket
    In-Network: $12,700
    Office visit copay: $60
    2014 Family Premium: $1,305/month
    These are the facts and this is what is happening to working people throughout Nebraska! This is what is happening to those that have been privately buying their insurance. Now as Obamacare kicks in, there will be more companies choosing to forgo their insurance plans for their employees and there will be more companies only hiring for jobs less than 30 houirs per week, so they don’t have to provide insurance.
    So what is so good about this for the working middle class? Nothing! In Nebraska we already could have our older children on our health insurance plan. I already had preventative services paid for.
    This is a sham! This has been a big lie to every American! There is nothing that is as good or better than what we already had!

  • Curious

    Question, as a nurse do you get a benefit “break” because you are a health care provider? Are you able to deduct your medical expenses or premiums on your income tax? I thought I read that your Affordable Care premiums were deductible since it was a universal plan. That would certainly tip the scale on your quote. Where did you get your information? Thank you.

  • HuGnu

    These are only the facts for you, and some others will experience declines in cost, but all include more complete coverage.
    What is the cost you will actually pay after the subsidy is calculated?
    Are you using a Navigator, or just trying to find the worst alternative for the sake of the argument?
    Also, what was the anticipated increase in Premiums and decrease of services that you would have been facing without ObamaCare? That is the only way to do an accurate assessment.
    Are you calculating the decreased cost in Health Care spending with the care that is covered at no costs? Most people forget to calculate this into the equation.
    The FACTS are that your cost have been going up year after year and would have without or without ObamaCare.
    Maybe you should continue to shop around.

  • HuGnu

    I would guess that her information was selected to be an argument rather than to be an option.
    Her claim that she already had the services prior seems to be a bit more than iffy. I would hope she is using a Navigator so that she doesn’t screw herself just because she doesn’t like the law, or because she believes the misinformation from the GOTP.

  • Curious

    IF all you claim is true about the business world is true, please explain one thing to me. Why are CEO”s making record breaking salaries and corporations making billions in profit? The rich are getting richer, the middle class is becoming the lower class and the poor are now in object poverty. All this in three decades!

  • Brucew56

    Obviously you’re a right coast ivy leaguer who doesn’t want to acknowledge facts, just liberal propaganda. NBC and CNN isn’t a good information source. You should change. You might be smart-but not very wise. A congressional staffer, maybe? Don’t want to give up those subsidies?
    It doesn’t make any difference what you say, either. Obumblecare is not sustainable and will collapse. Even your god, Harry Reid admitted it. You can rant and call me whatever you want. Don’t care. LOL Bwwwwaaaaaaaaa!

  • Curious

    This sounds like Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh! If you people would spend as much time learning the real facts you might have something to contribute to mankind.

  • Curious

    It has also been all over the news that this trend of hiring 30 hours a week is not related to the healthcare law. Economist state it is related to the giving of benefits period and companies are finding that full time employees are more loyal and dependable if they have sick days, vacation days, bonuses and so on. The trend is beginning to turn back to the normal work week.

  • Brucew56

    I’m not defending corps! OBUMBLE”S tax on private business owners, the largest job creators, plus Obumblecare, are squelching ft job creation. It is the federal government, unions and large corps that have killed American jobs. And the world economy and world government supported by Obumble and the UN are going to make it even worse. Corps have sent millions of jobs overseas due to costs. What has govt done to keep them here? America is now a joke economically and militarily, after saving the world’s ass multiple times in the last century. 45 % of people on food stamps! free phones! free housing! Is not a good way to run a country!

  • Brucew56

    Awesome reply! I agree!

  • Brucew56

    You’d say its not true, even if it is! Deflect, deny – pure Obumble strategy!

  • Brucew56

    You’re an idiot. He’s talking about the paperwork regulations! Go watch msnbc.

  • Brucew56

    Yes, and it was Clinton and congressional dums that said “every American deserves to have a house” and strong armed the banks into lending to people that didn’t even gave jobs. Tell me how that worked out. Damn near sunk the country.

  • Curious

    Whew, you frighten me! I don’t know where you are getting your statistics but they are very, very exaggerated. One can hardly blame President Obama for this country’s problems over the last century. I would encourage you to take a couple of classes at a local community college to get a more current and correct view of what has happened in the last century.

  • Brucew56

    Bryan, I agree, but costs would be reduced even more if insurance companies could offer coverage across state lines. That, all by itself, is a major problem in lowering costs-more competition.

  • Brucew56

    @NebDave77 @hugnu. Dave, this brainiac will never acknowledge that there are any facts except the one he reads or hears. You’re better off to ignore him. I think thus is all he does, oh, and watch msnbc and cnn :)

  • Curious

    Oh that’s right! Blame it on the people. The BANK would never commit fraud or abuse or bring the economy close to the brink of disaster. Darn, lets not have those government regulations or control. Lets blame it on those people that didn’t even “have a job”. Another Tea Party person with a STUPID stamp on their forehead.

  • Brucew56

    You should be, because facts will do that! You criticize almost everyone you respond to. Can’t have a real conversation? To Candace Zingg, you called her stupid; to Kenneth Arnold, you said- “You are the joke of the day.” That says a lot about you. Like many dums, it’s deflect, deny, lie and ridicule. Like your friend hugnu – go watch msnbc, or better yet FOXNEWS and gets one facts.

  • Curious

    Fox News is not news, it is entertainment. I, like you’ am entitled to my opinion and have had not only life but educational experiences to back up same.

  • Brucew56

    There are many articles on this. Here’s a short one. Trying to give everyone a house was a disaster-all started by the CRA , expanded by Clinton and the FDIC. If banks didn’t push enough loans, they got a low CRA score and paid a penalty. People that don’t have jobs shouldn’t be buying houses, but banks gave them financing anyway.
    You are “anti everything” that makes common sense. Poop in one hand and wish in the other and see which one gets full first. Get off your ass and work for a living. No more free stuff!

  • Berlin Veteran

    Then look at the statistics of deaths by malpractice. If we want healthcare fixed we need to do a better job of evaluating what is wrong. No one disputes that healthcare should be available to everyone. The problem with Obamacare is that it didn’t look hard enough at what new problems would occur if they did this or that. You have politicians making decisions that are better left for medical professionals of all disciplines to solve. Malpractice lawsuits do occur from poor decisions. The AMA needs to do a better job of preventing hacks from continuing practicing medicine. That in itself would save costs because eventually it would begin to diminish the number of Malpractice Lawsuits. This in turn lowers the costs of malpractice insurance to medical professionals. Leading to lowered costs of operating. Then you have to look at the insurance industry as a whole and evaluate how much money is wasted providing the infrastructure that they require. Do the wages of those employed in the insurance industry reflect their productivity or is this just a scam to bleed Billions from the funding that should go to healthcare costs? If you truly start to look more in depth at the whole picture you really see where this healthcare bill fell way short of accomplishing more positives than it does negatives. Yes it provides coverage to those that didn’t have it before but at what cost? With an ever decreasing middle class we are now adding to the burdens that they face. Government needs to stick to what it was intended to do and stop overreaching it’s authority. We needed our representatives to read what they voted for before they voted. This administration is a puppet just like those before it and you have to ask if they are giving to one who are they taking it away from to be able to provide the gift. 1600 pages to digest in the time they had was just a trick to push through the requests of the lobbyists that benefit from these regulations. This is not just a Democrat or a Republican problem this is an American problem and you need to stop defending something that you don’t understand. Many of you think that we are racist or just don’t like Obama. The truth is we looked at his policies and we just don’t like his policies. Labeling people as racist or just against anything Obama has done because he is a Democrat or whatever else doesn’t address the issue of why they disagree with his policies or that he even has the authority to do some of what he has done. That also goes for his predecessor as well. For you to suggest that someone doesn’t care just shows the desperation of your argument. I am sick of the well it’s better than what we have now. Why allow for mediocrity when we can have excellence. Set the goal higher and maybe then we can get it right without punishing someone else.

  • HuGnu

    I was not the one ranting, nor the one believing something based on the media.
    But come on, using Fox News as a credible source for anything is just crazy.
    The sky is not falling henny penny, so you can go one living your life in the darkness if you want.

  • Dan Brandt

    Well Hu. It is time to say good bye. Only a fool continues to argue with a fool and I’ve played the game long enough. It does no good to try and hold a rational discussion with pathological liars such as you and curious. It is like the kids at the daycare. You catch them doing something and they deny it believing that by denial, it will go away and you will buy into their truth regardless of what you saw. This is not just a name throwing exercise. You both believe that all that you say and believe is the truth. Obviously that is a lie. No one has all the truth. Pathological? I have found common ground with Honyock and Jim Gentile. That shows the ability to compromise if even in a few areas. That is a trait you do not have since you can not admit you are not right. That is what makes it pathological. What is more disturbing though is the last message above. Since you have eliminate your trail of messages from Disqus, you have something to hide. So, unless someone is willing to go to a lot trouble to prove what you have said before, it is almost impossible to do. However, research will show that you asked me to stop responding to your posts. This I did. However, when I asked the same of you, you intensified the amount and demeanor of your posts to me. Your attempt to project on to me your obsessive behavior towards me in the above message, is a classic example of someone with an unnatural obsession towards someone else. In short, you have a unstable mental state. Projecting and obsession are not normal and I seriously believe you need some help. I also believe for me to stay on here will only accelerate your condition. The fact that you are so narcissistic to believe that anyone learns from you in any quantity, is another of your delusions of grandeur. The fact you write massively more than anyone else is also an indicator of mental instability. You write to fulfill what you find deficient in yourself. Manliness, intelligence? What ever, you certainly are trying to make up for something you obviously believe is deficient in yourself. So since you made the choice for me of continually having to interact with you or leaving this board, the answer is simple, leave this board and your obsessive behavior. That should be the final proof of who is obsessing over who.

  • HuGnu

    Actually, there are people who dispute that health CARE should be available to anyone, which is the reason for my response. I have not idea what the reason was that you wrote your senior thesis here.
    It seems that most of your comments should be addressed to the do nothings in the congress who have had ample opportunities to deal your stream of complaints. Yes, you should set your goals a little higher. Most are tired of people just knocking down ObamaCare without any reasoned or thoughtful alternative. So if your words are any more that just crap, you should be asking the GOTP to do a much better job of addressing the real issues and not playing chicken with the Government Shut Down.

  • HuGnu

    Thank you for the demonstration of how as a fool you continue to argue even when you claim you are not. j/k – lol.
    I am really not arguing with you, only correcting the misinformation that you have enjoyed spreading, and confronted you on the childish ways that you tend to deal with people who do not agree with your (name calling and insulting)
    Yes, you have had a moment or two when you have found common ground, but it never seemed to be because you compromised. Once in a while you have had an opinion that does not require the elimination of a people or a concentration camp for those who are not of your liking, but most of the time, you come across only with your gripes about how unfair things are for you, and then launch into you attacks on the person who expressed them. It is probable, that this type of forum is not a suitable way for you to exchange ideas.
    I wish you well in whatever your are doing, and hope that you find something in the world that can make you happy, as communicating on most issue here has not seemed to do so.
    Peace.

  • HuGnu

    Only low information voters suspect that.
    What a ridiculous thing to even comment on.

  • HuGnu

    And now he is selling walking bathtubs.

  • HuGnu

    How about a fact or two to back up your jihadist claims? Your mission of disinformation is a terroristic as they come.

  • HuGnu

    Correction: You paid, too.

    “You paid to” would need more to tell us what he paid to do.
    You paid to go to the movie? You paid to have better health care? You paid to get the Republicans voted out of the House?

    Alse “your fine” is the amount you are penalized. You meant Your’e fine, as in it is OK with you.

  • HuGnu

    We are assuming that this is a note to yourself. It would be good advice for you to heed.

  • HuGnu

    Don’t you realize that to some people, every dark skinned person is other than Christian.

  • HuGnu

    Correction: An American

  • HuGnu

    Page borrowed from the Tea Party Strategy Book.

  • HuGnu

    Excuse us?
    You do not seem to be putting much of anything CONSTRUCTIVE into the DISCUSSION.

  • HuGnu

    WRONG ANSWER
    Please Try Again

  • HuGnu

    LOL – yeah the eight years of Bush when the Banking crisis occured was just Bush saying lets leave everything the way CLinton left it. LOL
    If it was a Clinton problem, then Bush should have fixed it or it became a Bush problem.
    BTW – Obama fixed no matter whose problem it was. LOL

  • HuGnu

    A positive idea that maybe the Republicans could actually take and make their own instead of just trying to gut the funding and close the Governement.

  • HuGnu

    The trouble is that there is so little effective legislation to have come from Congress to be able to test your theory. Too many of the Tea party conservative are not true conservative. America deserves a better Republican Party than Palin and Fox and Friends

  • HuGnu

    LOL – as if this is not all you do but watch FOX. I doubt you could even recognize a fact if it did not have a Fox emblem on it (and they do not use facts for their entertainment TV)

  • Curious

    Your percentage might be correct, I don’t know. I do know that the entire country believed the Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield and Rice lies. So we went to war. Of course we still have contractors in Iraq! There know as the Haliburton contractors, you know Dick Cheney’s company. As for bringing our troops home from Afghanistan? The President is working on that. Of course you would not know as your side is still too busy trying to find another scandal to hang on him or repeal Universal Health Care.

  • Curious

    WRONG…Dick Cheney is a murderer, a thief and a national disgrace and should be tried for crimes against the people of this country. The only reason he got away with these crimes is President Obama choose not to go forward with the peoples wishes as the economy was in shambles. It would behoove you Libertarian01a not to compare President Obama to Dick Cheney who has no morals.

  • Berlin Veteran

    Yeah i have but then you would have to look around in this discussion. Has Obama lied to you? http://danfromsquirrelhill.wordpress.com/2013/08/15/obama-252/

  • Curious

    Can’t you Tea Party people come up with something more original than, “communist and/or communism”? To persist with the train of thought that Universal Health Care is going to kill jobs or is redistribution of wealth is a childish attempt to distract those who are trying to learn the truth about an investment in their families future health care coverage.

  • Berlin Veteran

    Well, actually I have been doing quite a bit. I am a GOP PCO in my district. I didn’t support Reagan, Bush, McCain or Romney. I witnessed the low down dirty tricks that the GOP did during the 2008 WA State GOP Convention and the 2012 GOP Convention. There are many of us that have been actively involved in reforming the GOP away from the RINO Republicans. People like Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, Dick Armey and the likes. Why do you think Obama even got re-elected? Had we taken the route most oftenly traveled you would have had McCain and Romney for President. Now on to the Senior Thesis, Well given that I am not a youngster and have not only some history to my knowledge I am also not afraid to help in educating some of those that blindly support party over principle. Healthcare is more the business of the healthcare field. Not something that even belongs in the hands of corrupt politicians that constantly have their hands out to Lobbyists in exchange for favors. Case in point the Eleanor Holmes Norton audio. But if you really want to support the government overreach that has occurred for the last 20 years or more that is your right. We all get the government we deserve. I will continue the good fight for my children and grandchildren so they will be left a better world. Just so you have something to digest I will leave you with some reading to maybe give you something to consider. http://danfromsquirrelhill.wordpress.com/2013/08/15/obama-252/
    This is an excellent article that lists a lot the lies and deceptions that have been perpetrated on the citizens. You are obviously aware of the short comings of the previous administration and I don’t defend them at all. Feel free to counter any of the 300 items mentioned. When you are done look at the list that you can’t dismiss and see if those are good enough reasons to question authority and your loyalty to the present administration. Remember we already agree on the previous administration.

  • Curious

    Naughty, naughty…must have hit a nerve there. Can’t stand dealing with the true. Universal Health Care is not why you are paying more for your premiums. One has nothing to do with the other MIKE.

  • Curious

    It would be terrific if you would take your own advice when it comes to ramming and accusing people of being baby killers. You are indeed a parasite on society.

  • leathersammie

    Then they should simply choose to stay with their current plan. The Affordable Care Act is not setting the prices, the states are allowing the insurance companies to set the prices in the Marketplace if they choose to participate in the program. If one is too expensive, choose another and if they are all more than you are paying now, stay with the plan you have. No one is forcing people. Of course your premiums are going to be higher when you have chosen to have a LARGE family. Can you imagine what the Duggars (the family with 19 children) pay for insurance?

  • Joshua Morgan

    I hate grammar Nazis on postings. But, since you started it:
    1) It’s spelled “also”, not “alse.”
    2) It’s spelled “you’re” not “your’e.”

  • guest

    Independence Blue Cross History

    Independence Blue Cross
    (IBC) is the official sponser of the Blue Cross Broad Street Run
    because a focus of IBC is promoting good health and wellness in the
    community.

    IBC opened its doors on November 7, 1938, under the leadership of E.
    A. Van Steenwyk, who founded Blue Cross Blue Shield of Minnesota and
    came to Philadelphia to expand the Blue Cross brand. It was known as the
    Associated Hospital Service of Philadelphia.

    In rented offices at 1429 Walnut Street, Van Steenwyk and four
    associates comprised the entire original staff. They sat at desks
    borrowed from the University of Pennsylvania and used office equipment
    bought with a small portion of a $30,000 loan from the Community Chest —
    now the United Way — to finance a new health plan.

  • Kaitlin

    Rand Paul would’ve been are best hope for getting this country out of the shit hole we are in today. If only people didn’t think he was a crazy lunatic. It would be great if he would run again! Fingers crossed!!!

  • guest

    Democrats seem impervious to embarrassment as they buy votes for
    ObamaCare, but their latest move makes even Nebraska’s Ben Nelson look
    cheap: The 87% of Americans who don’t belong to a union will now foot
    the bill for a $60 billion giveaway to those who do.

    The Senate bill was financed in part by a 40% excise tax on high-cost
    insurance coverage. The White House backs this “Cadillac tax” as one of
    the few remaining cost-control tokens. But Big Labor abhors the tax
    because union benefits tend to be far more generous than average, and
    labor leaders and House Democrats have been throwing a political tantrum
    for weeks.

    So emerging from their backrooms, Democrats have agreed to extend a
    special exemption from the Cadillac tax to any health plan that is part
    of a collective-bargaining agreement, plus state and local workers, many
    of whom are unionized. Everyone else with a higher-end plan will start
    to be taxed in 2013, but union members will get a free pass until 2018.

  • Kaitlin

    Bush had to do what he had to do because of 9/11. Obama is just to stupid to get out of the war. Therefore Obama is no better than Bush.

  • Kaitlin

    I can’t help it that all the black people are uneducated and voted for an idiot based on his SKIN COLOR!

  • Kaitlin

    Yes, but she’s a dumb bitch who’s all for abortion. So her word is no good to me!

  • Kaitlin

    Cry baby? How about you pay for everybody health insurance that they can’t pay for themselves because they can’t afford it. Also this new healthcare requires all insurances to provide contraceptives. That’s against so many Religions. What ever happened to Freedom Of Religion. Now that right is being trampled on!

  • Auntie

    This is the price Nebraska residents are paying because of party politics. It’s not Obama’s fault. It’s your republican governor’s fault for not setting up exchanges and signing up to receive federal funding for your existing and newly-eligible Medicaid residents. Or did you not read that in this article? BCBS wasn’t about to pick up the tab for them so they stuck it to you. At least a few “Red State” governors, like Arizona’s Jan Brewer, had the courage and common sense to put ideology aside and do what was best for her residents, as did many other Red States. Write, call your governor. Yell profanities at him. It may not be too late.

  • Kirk welch

    Your right Brucew, Clinton’s decision to replace Glass-Stegall with Gramm-Leach-Bililey (pardon if I misspelled) was probably the worst decision of his Presidency, well other than giving untold authority to the DOJ after the OKC Bombing to wiretap phones of Suspected Terrorists, the beginning of the Patriot Act.
    It does not however change the fact that deregulating the banking sys is the very reason that the economy tanked in 08. As far as “strong arming the Banks” Please tell me when there has ever been a Rich man that needed to be strong armed into screwing people out of more and more $$$. In fact that debacle didn’t originate with Clinton. It has it’s roots in the Regan Presidency. You know, trickle down economics, supply side or Reaganomics. Let’s give the richest people in America more money so they can rain down Cadillac’s, and Rolex’s on the rest of us peons. Hell, didn’t need the Rolex, a job or two would have been nice though. And the Republicans are to this very day still trying after over 30 yrs of failed policy, to convince the American voter that giving yet more to the Rich will turn this around. Well I suppose we can discuss it again in another 30 yrs. Chances are we’ll be discussing it in Hindu or Chinese though as that’s where all those great jobs have been moved to.

  • Kirk welch

    Oh, I almost forgot what this thread was originally about. Now I remember, Heinemann and his refusal to take the Fed Mandate. The one where the Feds would have covered the entire cost of the transition for the next three yrs. Thus, costing Nebraskans millions. But I’m sure the good Governor will not feel a bit upset at this as he is sailing above the clouds in his new jet while braving the far reaches of the Nebraska Outback.

  • Auntie

    Don’t forget the Bush Tax Cuts! Also unfunded!

  • Auntie

    I have MS. It’s already helped me and the millions of others with PECs.
    This is the price Nebraska residents are paying because of party politics. It’s not Obama’s fault. It’s your republican governor’s fault for not setting up exchanges and signing up to receive federal funding for your existing and newly-eligible Medicaid residents. Or did you not read that in this article? BCBS wasn’t about to pick up the tab for them so they stuck it to you. At least a few “Red State” governors, like Arizona’s Jan Brewer, had the courage and common sense to put ideology aside and do what was best for her residents, as did many other Red States. Write, call your governor. Yell profanities at him. It may not be too late.

  • CNS74

    The other Red state governors, unlike Jan Brewer, know exactly what is ahead if they had set up state exchanges and expanded Medicaid: in a few years, the Federal gov’t will renage on the subsidies and Medicaid dollars and force the states to incur heavy increase in taxes.

  • CNS74

    There is nothing that is “FREE” in Obamacare. Nothing! Someone is being forced to pay for it.

  • Kirk welch

    Can you define Socialism for me without going to Wikipedia Kenneth? Do you mean like as in using tax money to build Interstate Highways, fund public schools, pay Forrest Rangers and Firefighters, Cops, build Public Libraries, fix or replace County, State and Federal bridges and roads?
    If that’s what your referring to then sadly, yes he’s a Socialist as was Bush Jr. Clinton, Bush Sr. Carter and Ford, Nixon, Kennedy, not in that order, going all the way back to FDR.
    My god man, your so right, I now realize how badly I miss all those roads paved with brick, and those quaint little telephones with the rotary dial. One Ringy Dingy, two Ringy Dingy, awww, you probably weren’t a SNL fan and thought Heehaw was a documentary?

  • Auntie

    You just THINK that.

  • HuGnu

    It is strange that you continue to argue on issues that are not relevant, and that you generally support nothing, but claim you are for reform.
    It would seem that you just enjoy complaining.
    I am not going to address the article that you suggest, as you have drifted so far from the issue of this thread.

  • Auntie

    The problem with their thinking is that they THINK the Muslim brotherhood is a people. It’s a thing. And, of course, that the word Muslim is there.

  • HuGnu

    I started nothing.
    Please take responsibility for you own Nazi behavior. LOL

  • guest

    Who is Curious? she said: I know first hand as I was married to a very rich New Yorker who never paid his fair share.

    Boo Hoo, Everyone else must get a job because they are lazy. Even though there are three people seeking every one job available and Republicans have
    yet to pass a jobs bill.

    Pity party 2:

    I can’t resist…I’ll take your $50,000.00 a year minimum! It beats my $12,100.00 a year Social Security and my $18.00 a month food stamp allotment.

    I am glad to read that the hiring and firing of our Fire and Police Chiefs cannot be at the appointment of the Mayor. I believe these positions need to be handled thru the supervision of the Unions and Civil Service.

    By the way, gridlock in Washington is who’s fault?? Certainly not the majority nor Democrats in this country.

    Compassionate, caring and seeing the best in all of us? I love it! Mayor Stotherts special season is almost upon us. She can ride her broom all over town

    Let us hope that Mayor Stothert does half as good of a job. So far she has been a bust as she rides her broom over the city.

    the total number of voter turnout was low, We have already discussed the voter turn out was so low because it was an off year election,: Aren’t all mayoral elections in an off year?

    Pity party 3
    I have friends all the way from the Clinton and Obama administration down to the Buffet family here and I am not playing a who you know game. I have via marriage been in politics my entire adult life and for the past thirty years I have been independent parent raising my terminally ill daughter

    Pity party 4.

    Lastly those poor minorities can’t make it out of poverty on their own because of people of your ilk who keep them in sub standard educational systems, sub standard wages and expect them to live like animals and
    have no voting rights

    This is all happening in RED states. The United States Supreme Court, a
    Right leaning court just gutted the Voters Rights Law and you proclaim
    the current movement is fair and just for all..

    Pity party 5. I gave birth to a beautiful daughter fifty years ago that has a terminal illness. I cannot get health insurance for her nor can I get life insurance for her. After 25 years of marriage her father left us for another women and has never given us a dime. State law says once a child reaches the age of majority the parent has no obligation for care of that child. Be angry at me for seeking aide for my daughter as I needed help to go to college and get an education. I graduated at age
    50 and took care of us until I retired. I now have to rely on my Social Security “entitlement” and Medicaid plus food stamps. I cannot at age 75 take care of my self and her full time as she now is a quad, with out some help.

    Poor women that are impregnated by their fathers, brothers or a rapist have the right to go to Planned Parenthood and have an abortion at no cost to them.

    Secondly it is you that has said I tell little girls it’s OK to kill the baby. I don’t! I tell them they have choices, and they make the choice.

    Finale: It’s hard to believe that living 50 years is something a terminally ill person does. Many healthy people do not live that long. Yet, in the end you got to spend 50 + years with your daughter. How many others did not get to do that because you made sure they knew what their other choices were and which way to choose?

  • HuGnu

    So as you see, your initial post was quite incorrect, and what I stated is right. Thanks for you support, even though you are going back on your word about not posting any more.

  • Bob

    Here’s the interesting thing that everyone should get from this but only if you’re smart enough to be able to read: everyone who encouraged Heinaman to be obstinate and intransigent, in the interests of anti-Obama, big-money interests, over our best interests in Nebraska, is the one who ought to get the bill. Just read it. Get the real info. We ought to be the UNICAMERAL state that is pragmatic, non-political, for the people. I am perfectly comfortable with republican leaders! Just represent me! I think something has changed for the worse here in NE in the past 3 years. I am NOT 100% opposed to Heineman–he has done some great things that make me proud to be Nebraskan–he’s just been a traitor to us on this Obamacare issue. This is based on assessing individuals, not parties. Come on folks, GBR and R does not stand for “big insurance,” “big oil,” “political party.” If you don’t understand what I mean, read, study and look into your own community and your own heart.

  • HuGnu

    Even when you quote a Fox News source, it is important to cite it. However, if this is just another made up “fact.” you just tell everyone that you are just spouting what you know nothing about. (Most already know that.) It is time you say goodnight, Dan.

  • HuGnu

    Actually, the free parts of Obamacare meet the English definition of Free. Everything that is free is always a cost to someone else. This is a basic understanding of economic cost.
    For every insurance payment made from your current company for your care that is over the dollar amount of your premium, there is someone “forced” to pay for that as well.
    Why is this basic concept of Health Insurance so difficult for some people to understand.

  • Jazzee

    amen
    I looked up for me 60 yr old female and it was OVER 670 a month
    seriously????? no thanks cannot afford it

  • Jazzee

    not the facts sorry

  • Jazzee

    and Auntie does it bother you congress was exempted by obaamer along with 1400 other ‘special’ groups
    and they plan to fix the mess for the UNIONS just not now…too hot now to give them a special deal
    has obamaer signed up????????? LOL LOL

  • Jazzee

    amen Dave amen it has NOTHING to do with healthcare they LIED

  • guest

    While the IRS can add an Obamacare penalty to the balance of taxes due,
    the law does not give the agency power to go after taxpayers who fail
    to pay the penalties.

  • guest

    According to Forbes, the IRS cannot pursue you for criminal tax evasion if you refuse to pay the mandate penalty, and no tax liens will be imposed on your assets for the penalty amounts.

    It is still unclear how aggressive the IRS will be in collecting the Obamacare penalty. But uninsured Americans who are expecting money back on their returns may find a penalty-sized hole in their IRS refund checks.

    Realty, no refund, no penalty!

  • guest

    It was Baylor Univ. Hospital a non profit hospital. My first response was correct, yours was not. They both started as charitable organizations. (Founded in 1903, Baylor Dallas is the first hospital for the Baylor
    Health Care System. As a not-for-profit health care facility, we are
    devoted to serving everyone through exemplary health care, education,
    research, and community service. Our legacy of caring for the Dallas
    community is reflected in our accomplishments in both health care and
    community service.)

    As you have stressed, accurate research is necessary for an intelligent discussion. Your research skills seem to be somewhat deficient.

  • Auntie

    Jazzee I don’t mean to make you look bad, but how can congress be exempt from something they don’t qualify for? You’ve been played by the spin masters. Let’s see if I can help you steps rate out fact from fiction (even Obama crossed over a line once or twice with the spin, although no where NEAR the blatant lies republicans have fed to their audience)

    http://www.factcheck.org/2013/09/obamacare-myths/

  • Auntie

    Obvious fact from day one: OBAMACARE is only for the uninsured. Is congress uninsured? …. Sorry.

    You say “not the facts” … SHOW ME how what I contributed here tonight is “not the facts.” And please, “because that’s what you believe” doesn’t count … In case you missed it:

    http://www.factcheck.org/2013/09/obamacare-myths/

  • HuGnu

    I realize that your need to argue is so great that sometimes you pay not attention to the conversation at hand, and post things that are irrelevant. My comments were addressing the absurd accusation that people could grab a subsidy even if they were not entitled to it.
    As for the fine, any unpaid tax or penalty to IRS will continue to be owed with interest when not paid on time, with penalties to the unpaid amounts as prescribed by law. The IRS never sends out collections crews to break the arms and legs of anyone not paying what is owed.

  • HuGnu

    No one would ever apply a tax lien or criminal charges for tax evasion for this small amount. The cost of collection would outweigh any benefit. However, unpaid taxes can come out of any refunds or other tax related benefits.
    BTW – Forbes has a lot of contributors, and most do not speak for the Magazine, but only through the magazine as a medium. Even if any author was speaking for the Magazine, the corporation is not in charge of tax policy. To speak with authority on this issue, you should look up any relevant IRS or HHS spokespeople. As no penalties can be assessed until April 16, 2014, there is probably no clear way to determine what the IRS or HHS will do regarding these particular delinquencies.
    If someone chooses to not pay the fine as a means of Civil Disobedience, they can choose to do so. That intentionality does not remove the person from their obligations, even if the IRS or HHS has no clear method for collecting from the errant citizen. Civil Disobedience, as any good Progressive knows, is an action to point out that the law is wrong are harmful, by intentionally braking it – WITH FULL INTENTION TO SUFFER ANY AND ALL CONSEQUENCES.
    Any Tea Party member needing to understand how to fight for their rights within the system, can contact most any liberal group in their community for advice on how to act with the democracy in sane ways.

  • HuGnu

    Yes, Baylor was and is a not-for-profit. Blue Cross is and was a not-for-profit. It was designed to meet the needs of the employees of Baylor, and not to cover the cost of care for the indigent. That is and always has been (since the Elizabethan Poor Laws) the job of the Government. The County Hospital systems across the country meet that need, with money also available through grants and purchase of service agreements. Baylor may have provided indigent care as a part of their mission, but it was not why BLUE CROSS was conceived. Blue Cross was part of the Employee health insurance movement that was sweeping the nation at the time, when, to attract and maintain a stable work force, corporations used this benefit as an incentive, as wages were frozen. American business wanted collective insurance, where the healthy and the not so healthy could all pay in for times when a few would need the care. Medical Science and the cost for Care have changed remarkable since that time. This piece of American History seems to be ignored in the conversation, but you are trying to create a mythological history that never was true. Charitable Organizations is one of the determinations that the IRS uses to grant exemptions from Income Tax on certain organizations. Although they promote the common good, they do not require that services are provided for free. The organization sets its own policy in that regard. Many not-for-profit are able to make money (as Blue Cross Blue Shield) but the beneficiaries is the corporation itself and not the stockholders, as in a for profit company. Your website searches leading to the mission statements does not change the reality.

  • Curious

    You have been smoking that dope again…or you need to get new glasses.

  • Curious

    You make a terrific Hitler clone…go Tea Party. FYI I have worked since I was 16 and at 77 am still working. Get a life!

  • Curious

    Huh? What did a massive lie to start a war in Irag have to do with 9/11? Then to talk about stupid! Do you think President Obama can just wave a wand and our warriors can just walk away from Afhganistan? What planet do you live on?

  • Curious

    Shame on you! I am one of the millions of white people who voted for this President and I know from your previous entries I am much more educated than you. YOU are a very emotionally disturbed person in our society to say such a racist and hateful thing.

  • Brucew56

    77!! Isn’t it time to grow up, then? I’ve worked since I was 16 too, so what? This is typical liberal trash talk- call names, deflect. It’s all so accepted now that
    Obumble does it and the MSM agrees with it. Hatred of all things conservative or common sense gone crazy!

    I’m not worried about me, I’ll die in 15-20 years, just like you. It’s the country and world my 8 grandchildren, who all have both parents by the way, will inherit. Over half the country expects the government to provide for them. People’s life circumstances aren’t everybody else’s fault.

  • Brucew56

    @hugnu. @berlinveteran Hu, you really don’t say anything except criticize what others say. You like to belittle others. I would say you must have a huge inferiority complex, and probably a degree your parents paid for. Instead of blaming GW for everything, Obumble HAD an opportunity to unite people and do good things for America. Instead, he chose to Divide the county and “get even”. Now, half the country hates him and his tactics for making government the answer for everything-a recipe to hurt the entire country. The guy is a Chicago mafia community organizer, not a healer of the country’s problems.

  • guest

    Someone who goes to the government to have them explain what is right and what will be done. I believe you are part of the 1% who believe anything the government states. Good for you, you are part of the exceptional Americans they talk about. I guess the good part is, as long as the liberals pay their tax and the Tea Party folks do not, it means those who support this law are the ones who are funding it. That is appropriate. Since there are no consequences except having the money with held from your refund, then most won’t care. All you have to do is set up your monthly payments so there is no refund to garnish.

  • ProgressiveOasis

    People wake up and stop fretting over Obamacare. Of course it’s going to be a huge costly disaster. It was always meant to be just that…designed to fail from the beginning so the proggies can reach their ultimate goal of single payer government run and financed health insurance ala Medicare for all. Yes, it will hit working folks hard but again that’s the plan…so the low information Obama voters will demand “Medicare for all” in 2016 as was always planned. Accept reality….you are going to pay more and get less as is always the case with these idiot proggie programs. Now if you have a serious plan for eliminating proggies, that’s something that has been proven to work each and every time. The latest being in Chile which has recovered nicely after the proggies were purged.

  • guest

    Well I am trying to understand what you are saying. So I had to go back and reread somethings. It appears that your critic was correct when he stated that you do not take correction well. You cite no sources for your statements above. Therefore they are only your opinion. Having gone to the wed sites for BCBS and other historically accurate sites, and presented them here, the facts remain as I stated before. You have not produced anything of merit or fact that changes that. Non profits are just that non profits. I believe your critic was on to something when he called you obsessive about him. It seems you couldn’t even stop yourself from replying to him even though he was gone. Your actions seem trending towards paranoia. Will you see him in all the guest posts that are written here? The last post seems to reinforce that your research skills are deficient and your presentations based more on emotion than facts. I could help you work on that if you would like:)

  • guest

    Progressive, I think you are right. I believe the answer is American exceptionalism. Since you need to be exceptional to be an American, by definition then, if you are not exceptional you are not American. So as a spokes person for the majority Dems who abhor gridlock, I say we smash gridlock by euthanizing all non exceptional humans in the USA, who are by definition aliens, who can not get to the border fast enough to dodge their humanity declared fate. When only the healthy are left, then health care becomes unnecessary. Since this is the ultimate goal of an inept single payer health payer system, to give such horrible care that most sick people die before seeing a doctor, we can forward our plan much faster and eliminate the non exceptional, non civil Tea Partiers in one feel swoop.

  • Curious

    Not to worry about your 8 grandchildren and the world they will live in…remember you conservatives don’t believe in saving the planet. You believe in “Drill, baby, drill” Palin and the Fox tribe. Keep on Fracking and polluting, I don’t care, I have no grandchildren. I am trying to save the planet for your grandchildren. I believe in the humanitarian approach when it comes to the sick and those who thru no fault of their own cannot work like my daughter who cannot move from her neck down…you jerk!

  • HuGnu

    you really don’t say anything except criticize what others say.

    zzzzzzzzzz

  • HuGnu

    Dan
    You are really going out of your way to invent an argument. You know that all this crap you are saying is just plain lies.
    There is no need to keep up your little game of trying to find another little fantasy to criticize the law. Just do what you feel you need to do, and the rest of America will deal with it. The loss of your 35 cents in tax revenue will not really matter that much. Neither would the lack of your opinions.

  • HuGnu

    O come on Dan. Give it up. Your arguments are baseless so again you turn to your attacks on the person.
    It is clear that your only interest is in arguing, so you can do this by yourself.
    Have a good day, but you will have to play with yourself.

  • Brucew56

    There you go again-just cant help it its so ingrained-calling names. Great argument-NOT. I never said I didnt want to take care of sick people or take care of the planet-a typical lib argument, that is false. What I dont want is big brother government like Obumblecare, controlling every facet of life for every person. The government simply is terrible at everything it does. Everything costs 5 times as much as if the private sector does it. All they are good at is taking from some citizens and giving to others. How the **ll do you know what I support. Just lump everyone in the same pool. Very immature, as I expected from you. None of what you say is going to change what I think or discourage me from fighting big government liberals.

  • Brucew56

    you really don’t say anything except criticize what others say.

    zzzzzzzzzz

  • HuGnu

    Say goodnight, Gracie.

  • guess

    I do apologize. You present your self as an educated and learned person. Those I know who are educated and learned, such as scientist, present a foundation of factual and objective information that supports their assertions. I have obviously over estimated you. So, although some of your fiction writing is interesting reading, I guess I will go to others for real knowledge. You need to get over your unnatural obsession with Dan.

  • guest

    The lead investigator with the IRS for this region is a very good friend of mine. Yes he carries a gun. Your example is over the top, but it is wrong in it’s whole premise. Try researching their tactics by calling them. Or maybe not. Yes they do go out and arrest scofflaws. But once again you miss the point. As the facts say above, the IRS has no power to go after those who do not pay the penalty. Including all late fees and penalties. Your fiction writing needs more research. I can help you with that if it just a personal deficiency versus laziness.

  • HuGnu

    ……

  • HuGnu

    LOL

  • Mother&Nurse

    I don’t have to believe any misinformation from anyone. This is the information that was sent to me from my current health insurance provider! I did not provide the worst alternative for the sake of the argument! I provided what it currently will cost for a plan that is the most similar to the one I currently have. Read the information again….this is what many Nebraskans will face!
    And nurses don’t get breaks with this law either. It’s just the President’s friends or those he wants to exempt. Not the working middle class!

  • Mother&Nurse

    Here are some facts, Who Knew! My current family plan was $1,134/month. Now the closest thing to it would be $1,862/month!

    Facts about my current plan:
    Family Deductible
    In-Network: $3,000
    Family Deductible:
    Coinsurance: 20%
    Family Out of Pocket
    In-Network: $8,000
    Office visit copay: $40
    Current Family Premium:$1,134/month

    Now the plan closest to what I have!:
    Family Deductible
    In-Network: $2,000
    Coinsurance: 20%
    Family Out of Pocket
    In-Network: $8,000
    Office visit copay: $20-$30
    2014 Family Premium: $1,862/month

    Now the cheapest plan that is not a High-Deductible Health Plan (HDHP)
    Family Deductible
    In-Network: $11,000
    Coinsurance: 20%
    Family Out of Pocket
    In-Network: $12,700
    Office visit copay: Deductible & Coinsurance
    2014 Family Premium: $1,297.52

    Now the plan they recommend
    Family Deductible
    In-Network: $7,000
    Coinsurance: 50%
    Family Out of Pocket
    In-Network: $12,700
    Office visit copay: $60
    2014 Family Premium: $1,305/month

    These are the facts and this is what is happening to working people throughout Nebraska! This is what is happening to those that have been privately buying their insurance. Now as Obamacare kicks in, there will be more companies choosing to forgo their insurance plans for their employees and there will be more companies only hiring for jobs less than 30 houirs per week, so they don’t have to provide insurance.

    So what is so good about this for the working middle class? Nothing! In Nebraska we already could have our older children on our health insurance plan. I already had preventative services paid for.

    This is a sham! This has been a big lie to every American! There is nothing that is as good or better than what we already had!

  • HuGnu

    Well is you think that you have all the information that you need, and are willing to pay more than you need to just to show us, go ahead.
    Most people will seek out the truth and deal with this as they need.

    You can screw yourself over if you want to. But by all means do not look for anything better, or trust any source that is not against Obamacare. (As you know, the GOTP’s worst fear is letting this progress and letting people see what the good is in it for them. But the GOTP will love you for staying in the dark and messing up your family to help them prove a point – if they could only settle on what that point is.)

  • Curious

    Could you clarify “those he wants to exempt” and “friends”?

  • Curious

    Kaitlin, you need to leave this blog and go to an X rated one where those of your caliber might like the way your nasty mouth works.

  • Curious

    “they are not even going to check incomes of people applying for subsidies”. WHAT AN OUT AND OUT LIE.

  • Curious

    Libertarian01a…..BUSTED

  • gerardharbison

    Check out money.cnn.com, July 15. Exchanges will not have to verify current income.

  • gerardharbison

    If you think you have that moral obligation, knock yourself out! Surely you’re not deciding my morality for me, are you?

  • Curious

    HuGnu….Guest is AKA Libertarian01a you are wasting your time with this very sick man. He always brings any conversation back to, “killing babies” but it is OK to shoot and kill the Doctors who provide abortions for women even if that woman’s life is in danger.

  • HuGnu

    Oh I know very well who he is, and the silly game that he is playing. He is one messed up dude.

  • Holly Figueroa O’Reilly

    That seems high, unless you are making a lot more than the national median income (51,000/yr). Maybe try plugging in your numbers again. The national average for a 60 year old female making $45,000/year is $356 per month with the federal subsidy. It could be slightly more or less, depending on which state you live in, since some states have decided not to set up exchanges. Here’s the calculator:

    http://kff.org/interactive/subsidy-calculator/

  • Holly Figueroa O’Reilly

    The two most important passages, and the main reasons that Nebraska is seeing this shocking increase:

    “Omaha Sen. Jeremy Nordquist said part of the problem is Nebraska didn’t take full advantage of Obamacare by expanding Medicaid and creating its own exchange and trying to create more competition in the marketplace. The governor refused to do both. An organization representing insurance carriers warned lawmakers at theNational Conference of State Legislatures that states that don’t expand Medicaid would see higher premiums, he said, because insurance companies would shift the cost of that uncompensated care.”

    “Nebraska has very low insurance rates and a relatively unregulated insurance marketplace where companies can sell a broad range of plans. Part of the reason Nebraska’s rates will go up more is insurance isn’t heavily regulated here, whereas in some East Coast states they already have some of the mandates now being implemented by Obamacare.”

    In short: the governor refuses to work with the federal government to create more competition in the marketplace by expanding medicaid and/or creating its own exchange. By doing both of those things, Nebraska would have seen similar rates to neighboring Colorado.

    Vote accordingly, Nebraska.

  • Curious

    If you don’t want to use the option of having contraceptives provided, don’t use them. That is called FREEDOM OF CHOICE. Don’t trample on Freedom and Liberty for All.

  • Curious

    You stated “they are not even going to check incomes of people applying for subsidies”… Insurance is not a subsidy, food stamps are a subsidy. Insurance is purchased and will be audited when you file your income tax. You have such a distain for those who are less fortunate than you, it is such a disgrace. Your statement about how the young will be taking care of the elderly and the sick sounds so perverted when in reality that is the function of humanity. How sad for you.

  • Curious

    I knew it! You are from Texas, that explains every thing. Dick Army, Ted Cruz, all the good ol’ boys.

  • guest

    Odd? You care about people dieing but not infants inside the womb who are killed? Since you nip the problem in the bud so to speak, Ebeneezer would be thrilled with you. Especially since he disliked children and the handicapped more than any others.

  • Curious

    Libertarian01a I strongly suggest you seek mental health care and return to Texas. You are emotionally disturbed.

  • guest

    They have. The Dems won’t allow it. Research Research. It could keep you from looking so foolish on such a grand scale.

  • HuGnu

    OK Dan – no one – especially your new Boyfriend is watching you, so you can cut the crap.

  • HuGnu

    I do not look like you at all.

  • guest

    Documents released in a classic Friday afternoon news dump show that labor unions representing 543,812 workers received waivers from President Barack Obama‘s signature legislation since June 17, 2011.

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/06/labor-unions-primary-recipients-of-obamacare-waivers/#ixzz2gOSdFyCK

    While Members of Congress and their personal staffs are required to
    enroll in Obamacare’s exchanges, the White House, through questionable
    administrative action, is providing them hefty taxpayer subsidies to
    offset the resultant increase in their personal health care costs. In
    other words, Washington’s arrogant political class is getting exemptions
    or special treatment denied to ordinary Americans. [Heritage
    Foundation, 9/16/13]

    The staffers and congress are just getting back what they lost. The government has paid 75% of premiums for fed employees health care. The point of the initial legislation was to make them do what they have made the ordinary folk do. Once again the Washington elite have exempted themselves from the legislation they have passed for everyone else. If the laws were good enough for everyone else, why not them? These are not poor or even money hurting people.

  • guest

    I see once again your critic was right on target. Proven wrong, no admission of being wrong. Just a smart alack answer. No I suppose you don’t look like me. I don’t look childish!

  • HuGnu

    You look extremely childish, Dan.
    In fact, you are actually harassing right now, and need to stop. This is the only warning you need, and will get. If you continue, it will be on you.

  • guest

    Not that it matters but are you gay? Your fetish with Dan seems to be your overwhelming desire to be put on display here. If you have a broken heart, there are numerous gay and straight sites you can go to for comfort. I hope you find the help you need for your condition. Paranoia is a scary thing.

  • Guest

    According to Dan he asked the same of you. But did you acquiesce? His answer to that would be no, to the point he had to leave this site for concerns of his safety. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Something you obviously do not believe in.

  • HuGnu

    OK MOTHERFUCKER YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

  • HuGnu

    FUCK OFF

  • guest

    Not exactly a response of an intelligent or educated person.

  • Curious

    I thought I read some where that you stated you were signing off of the blog. I read your Right Wing Rag. Please, don’t take up my time with twisted truths. I have no interest in what you have to say.

  • Kaitlin

    Curious, good thing I don’t care what you think!

  • gerardharbison

    That’s great. I’m old. I suspect you’re younger than me. Send a check.

  • Kaitlin

    Really? i’m very emotionally stable. I just happen to know that all my black friends voted for him.

  • guest

    My mother died from Parkinson’s at a young age. It was not a pretty thing. She suffered greatly. She even went through shock treatments before it was diagnosed properly. Those were old fashioned and horrible. Much like some methods of torture. Your inappropriate comment is offensive to many who loved their mothers deeply. You are out of control!

  • gerardharbison

    And insurance premiums under ObamaCare will be government (i.e. taxpayer) subsidized. Why don’t you read about the law you’re defending?

  • guest

    Please define “you” and could you please present something other than your opinion to support your position that the above articles are wrong. Your opinion is just that, and something everyone has. We would appreciate some validity to your claims so we can examine it to see what is right or wrong. It you can’t contribute in a meaningful way, please refrain from contributing at all. It takes up valuable space and time for those who search for truth.

  • Kaitlin

    It’s morally wrong for Obama to force Catholic hospitals to provide contraceptives to their employees. If they refuse to do so, they will be shut down. I’d rather not have the hospital I go to get shut down because Obama decided to force morally wrong things upon people and give them no other choice.

    Also do you know how many people will go to a Catholic or of other Religion hospital? They go to it because if they can’t pay for it, they get health care there anyways. Now where will they go? They’ll just start begging for more taxer payer money. Not what we really need right now. This stupid Obamacare will only help those who don’t have insurance and make it worse for those that do have it.

  • HuGnu

    no – it is you who are the offense to you mother. You are nothing that she would be proud of, and you insult her by trying to make up this story about her to defend you idiotic and obsessive behavior.
    Now turn you little computer off and go find something better to do – like picking your nose or cleaning your toenail fungus.

  • Kaitlin

    You are the one who needs to go to and X rated site or blog. You’re the one who keeps constantly name calling people. Clearly you haven’t passed first grade. That’s where we learned that name calling was a no-no.

  • Kaitlin

    BC and condoms are against so many Religions. Now I’m losing my Freedom of Religion with this bullshit stuff they call Obamacare

  • dba_vagabond_trader

    Foolish people who believed this constant liar. Your increased cost is a feature, not a bug. Your rates were always meant to go up to the point you must ask government for help. They create a problem then offer a solution.

  • HuGnu

    No one is requiring you to put on a condom or to take Birth Control. Nothing about Obamacare makes you deny you faith, or keeps you from praying.
    As for Freedom of Religion. If you are really practicing it, then you need to not lie or covet, which is the basis for most opposition to this plan that helps so many. You cannot love God while hating your brothers and sisters.

  • guest

    I do believe you have reached depths that even before, were unknown to you. To insult one’s mother is about as vile as one can get. You are truly an example of the dredges of society for the depravity of your mind. I weep for you. Your are truly pitiful.

  • HuGnu

    And still you continue to be an an annoying asshole.
    You have said nothing of any relevance in you last hundred posting to me, and I have asked you to stop. Yet you continue to play your game, even now pretending that your mother has been insulted. The truth is that she has, but not by me, but by your behavior that reflects back on to her. Either she failed you, or you failed her.

    Any response from you that continues this conversation is taken as an admission that I am right, and that you really want to show how you dislike your mother.

  • guest

    Well I suppose that last paragraph worked in elementary school and all of your childish behavior has produced nothing, so it was a feeble, but still very childish, last ditch effort. The facts are the facts regardless of what you say or imply. Most adults can take what they dish out. Not so much for you. You might consider a one or two day break from this site. I fear your blood pressure is up and you are about to break a few blood vessels. I do have a concern for you health so maybe I should stop responding for now. I would hate to be blamed for any adverse health problems you are developing because of our conversations here. I do realize that you are probably unable to stop posting to this site because of your obsessive behavior. Go join Dan on the side lines. It will do you a world of good. By the way, your vulgar rants have been flagged.

  • HuGnu

    whatever it takes to get you to go away.

  • HuGnu

    Is BAM teaching you how to be a MasterBaiter?
    You two makes such …….couple. I hope you will both be unhappy together.

  • guest

    Except for my concern for your health I have no reason to leave. Actually, the one who needs to finally act like an adult and take care of himself is you. If you do not care enough about yourself to do what is right for you, why should any one else? You should go and rest and come back when your are not so rattled. I think I’ll stay around for awhile. No reason I should banish myself because of a weak individual like you.

  • guest

    Bam? I haven’t seen him here. Must not be as obsessive as some:)

  • HuGnu

    You poor little thing. If you want to stay on this playground go ahead. Everyone thinks you are funny piece of shit anyway. Why not go ahead an prove it. By the way do you even remember what this post is about, are were you even ever remotely concerned about the topic, as all you seem to want to do is talk about me. I am flattered that you have found a better to imitate. Perhaps you can use it to teach the kids in day care.

  • HuGnu

    You probably can’t see him since you have your head so far up his ass. Does he like it when you post things? Does it get you both off to do this? By the way, is he back in jail? I heard things were coming down on him. You better watch out, too.

  • Kaitlin

    yes preach religion to me! not! I don’t hate anyone. Not even my enemies. I just really dislike people aka idiots like you!

  • HuGnu

    LOL – and you show your “love” in such a beautiful way.

    And of course Freedom of Religion for you means that no one can preach to you. You are real funny. I am not sure if you know what you are for or against or even if you know what you believe. What is clear is that you are oppositional and just want to argue.

    As that is the case, our discussion is over.

    yeah right, you don’t hate anyone. LOL.

  • Kaitlin

    and yet you couldn’t be more wrong about all of it

  • HuGnu

    By your fruits you are known, and your fruit is not very fragrant.
    If you want people to see you as loving and caring, you better start showing that you are, and not just bitching about something that can help others. Your tone and your posts seem to indicate a more selfish, than a loving demeanor. Just saying……

  • Kaitlin

    and you must know everything huh? i think not. I’d say have a great day, but honestly I don’t care

  • HuGnu

    thanks for showing your “love” again.
    I guess religion is just something you throw out as a weapon, and nothing that you take to heart.
    I always have a great day, and it takes very little to know things when you are not try to make up lies.

  • Kaitlin

    I show my love to those who deserve it. clearly you don’t. and still you are wrong. you don’t know me or my life or my religious habits so how about your just shut the f up about it and quit trying to judge or tell me me how am i.

  • HuGnu

    You were the one complaining about not being able to practice you religion and then bragging how you “loved” everyone. So I guess you were really not serious and just using religion to beat others up. That is wrong, and no one has to “know” to understand that. But you do not present a positive picture of religion by suggesting that your negative and angry attitude has anything to do with religion. Many religious people endorse Obamacare, and find it more than compatible with the tenets of religion. It does not seem that you have really thought this out, and I challenge you to speak only the truth – about Obamacare and about religion. Otherwise you just continue to present yourself as hypocritical and oppositional. If all you want to do it bitch and complain, do not try to justify that by citing religion as the reason.

  • guest

    There is a beautiful but sad song from my younger years that talks about a young lady who was dumped by her boyfriend and she lost her mind over it. The more I see of your writing, the more you remind me of that song. The title was Delta Dawn. If you don’t remember it, you can listen to it on line. Then maybe you will take your flowers and suitcase and go home. Your obsession with categorizing everyone or saying who they are like is unnaturally obsessive and extremely hateful. It seems to be the only way you can relate to the world. I would think someone like you would understand and even embrace diversity. But like all those who have irrational fear any others who are not like them, you do not understand it nor embrace it. And for the record, diversity is not just about race or color, it is about many things including opinions, faith and politics. As a person of color, it is shameful how you do not embrace the very thing you crave. As a handicapped it is down right obscene.

  • Tmbtc

    Why did Nebraska not take part in the insurance exchanges? Would that have increased iompetition and thereby lowering costs like our neighboring states? If so, maybe we should not be angry with “Obama care” and instead,start asking haruquestions or our local politicians. Is it time to question their petulance?

  • manstrom

    Factcheck? BS more than likely from that socialist front propaganda mill.

  • guest

    You share in Hu delusions don’t you Delta Dawn? Scary!

  • Curious

    You are a broken record…I am not handicapped nor am I a person of color. You have the handicap, it is a mental one. Get over yourself, you are never going to win this argument. 1/4 of the GOP are taking their party down the pooper. Thank you! We Democrats love it.

  • guest

    Paranoia is not a good thing. Neither is your unnatural obsession over Dan. Why is it you can not get over him? Strange indeed. Your thank you is accepted. I see by flagging your crude and vulgar rants they have been removed. I saw your discussion with Kaitlin below. You talk of love, but what you have said here shows you know nothing about it. Your name calling and inability to have a true adult conversation shows your inability to even love yourself. But here is your reality. I believe it was Dan who named you Gollum. That name fits for the sleazy and slimy way you interact on this board. It is you and you alone who has the power to change our interaction. You can remain Gollum and try to raise your own self esteem by denigrating and mocking others. Such as the childish behavior you use now. Or you can become an adult, give meaningful answers in a civil manner and treat all with respect. One maintains the status quo, one changes to an adult conversation that works to edify and uplift others. Your choice.

  • HuGnu

    Libertarian
    you antics have grown quite old. There were never any good.
    But you continue to act the ass.

    You are very strange to be pretending to be all these people. You really need to find something better to do with you time and energy. I take it your daycare is not going very well. I can imagine that most parents would not want to put children in a place with you. I am sure your wife does most of the work, but if you end up with a charge of internet stalking (as you seem to be working towards) that may impact the license. That may be a blessing for Nebraska children to not have to suffer from your care.
    Tell Linda “Hi” and that we all understand how difficult this must be for her.

  • Curious

    Tonight, Monday nite…..All over the news how Republicans threw their staff under the bus and exempted their staff from Universal Health Care. I love how you all are like sheep and just fall in line to go over the cliff. The people elected President Obama and the people want Universal Health Care AND it is the LAW. Get a grip!

  • Mother&Nurse

    Why won’t Harry Reid and the Democrats allow all Americans to live by the same rules of Obamacare? Why does Harry Reid deny the American public the same exemption as President Obama is giving to big business…a 1 year delay to comply with Obamacare? Why does Harry Reid believe the Senate/House and the President don’t have to live by the same rules as the rest of the American public? The House Republicans have totally funded the government and only had these two things added, but Harry Reid and the Senate refused. The Democrats want to shut down the government not the Republicans. These are the facts.

  • DocHollywood

    I am 60 and make about $65K so mine would be approximately $400 a month with a $5,000 individual deduction. I’ll just pay the fine since it’s less. This is like prohibition and will collapse under its own weight and public reluctance to comply.

  • Ruth

    What do you mean it is only for the uninsured? There are a lot more uninsured now because of the premium increase that they cannot afford, or their company dropping them. Hours are being cut back or they are laid off and they are supposed to still pay their bills and buy food plus this illegal law.

  • Ruth

    Just the other day, I read an article where the writers sister found a lump in her breast. By the time she went through all of the loops in Canada,it was 14 months later that she was told that she did have cancer and it was now stage four.Is this how good it is in Canada?

  • Ruth

    Bush kept trying to change it,but the democrats wouldn’t let him.

  • HuGnu

    And what particular Bush program are you referring to? Tighter regulations? Greater oversight? Just what program did he continue to push on that could have prevented the Banking Crisis? Somehow the GOP has never made this claim, and it could have been an influential point during the last presidential election.
    I think you are trying to rewrite History, both political and banking.
    In eight whole years, Bush couldn’t get legislation that would have prevented the Banking Crisis BECAUSE the Democrats wouldn’t let him???? Now that is funny.

  • fedup

    this is bull I cant afford health care now. Where as before I had health care. Now I am stuck. At this point it almost makes more since to go on medicaid.

  • Curious

    Ruth, I am not saying that the article you read is not true…how ever I think it is twisted distortion of the truth. What I question is who put this article out and how reliable is the source. Why an individual would “go thru all the loops” knowing the lump was growing abnormally, the tissue on the outside was changing and she did not get a second opinion. Having been a healthcare provider I know women who are concerned about a lump want answers and they want them now. Not even the Canadian system would put a patient on hold till the cancer was in stage 4. Maybe a third world country would, not Canada.

  • LukeinNE

    There’s still an exchange for Nebraska, our state government just refused to administrate it. It’s being run by the federal government instead, which is to say, probably pretty poorly, but yeah we still have an exchange.

  • Tim

    Funny people are blaming ACA when the article clearly states why rates are increasing and it is because of the local republican leadership. “Omaha Sen. Jeremy Nordquist said part of the problem is Nebraska didn’t take full advantage of Obamacare by expanding Medicaid and creating its own exchange and trying to create more competition in the marketplace. The governor refused to do both. An organization representing insurance carriers warned lawmakers at the National Conference of State Legislatures that states that don’t expand Medicaid would see higher premiums, he said, because insurance companies would shift the cost of that uncompensated care.” Why let facts get in the way.

  • It’s crap

    Unfortunately by the time all you folks who are excited about Obamacare figure out how crappy this law is it will be 5-10 years down the road. You will more than likely figure it out when your loved one is denied treatment for cancer or a transplant due to age or other factors and yes it will happen. They will also deny treatment b/c of the lack of funds for that certain procedure for there will only be so much set aside for it each year.

  • Oleary

    When you provide “insurance” in name only it’s really cheap. when you provide real insurance it costs a little more…Some of these so called “insurance” plans don’t cover anything so they’re cheap…Now their are requirements for mental health coverage and other very important areas…The old Nebraska plans are an example of what would happen if the republican idea of buying insurance across state lines were implemented…a race to the bottom…

  • alwaysthink

    What the author is leaving out is that if the new premium is more than 8.3% of income then these folks can get the basic plan just like those under 30. Those plans don’t cover much of anything up to the deductible of several thousand but they do insure against a catastrophic illness.

    I also wonder why this family was not on a grandfathered plan? If the plan existed before March 2010 then the carrier will continue to offer it. I just got my letter from Blue Shield that I can keep by HSA plan if I want to. Of course, BS reminds me in the letter that if I get sick they can raise my rates or maybe even drop me. But hey it’s liberty and freedom for the corporation.

  • Mike

    When did watchdog join the Fox News network?

  • Jeff

    Useful idiot!

  • Jeff

    Lover of Liberty destroyer!

  • Jeff

    Looter!

  • Jeff

    So it destroys millions by creating more poverty, unemployment, part-time jobs, abortions and death panels, causes states to go further into debt with the potential for bankruptcy (Remember Detroit), unions that once supported it now want out, it works for you, huh? How can you sleep at night? Oh, with subsidized sleeping pills!

  • Curious

    Says the man who claims he never puts any one down or calls any one names….Busted again Guest AKA Libertarian01a…..Mr. Radical Right Wing

  • Curious

    Guest is an endangerment to society………

  • Curious

    Republicans have to gut the funding of the ACA because 80 Tea Party members in the House last March signed an agreement that they would not fund same. They do not want healthcare for the American people. They prefer that the poor and the week in our society die on the vine according to Newt Gingrich when he was Speaker of the House.

  • Curious

    No you look like a jackass

  • Curious

    Note all that you spew are talking points of Sarah Palin, the GOP Barbie Doll loser. Stop while you are ahead already!

  • HuGnu

    BAM

  • HuGnu

    Dan Brant/Libertarian01/guest(Guest)

    You may not realize that your trail of comments under these names is very well connected and has quite a historical trace on the web.
    It is easily accessible for anyone considering a Day Care Provider, as well as for the agencies that license and contract for your business.
    For the protection of children, you either need to get help from your obsessive, childish display of hatred, or need to close your business and stop subjecting other families to your abhorrent behavior.

  • HuGnu

    Are you allowed to think without BAM telling you that it is OK? Have you told him that you have rejected God just to be his toy?

  • Guest

    Dan – do you realize what a fool you look like to everyone here? Even BAM thinks you are a joke, and a worse troll than he is. He has already dumped on you with people who are challenging his behavior.
    Just thought you should know.