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Obamacare marketplace riddled with glitches

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Part 2 of 3 in the series Obamacare Diaries

By Deena Winter | Nebraska Watchdog

LINCOLN – Last week Todd Blome got a letter from his insurance company informing him that due to Obamacare, his insurance plan would terminate by year’s end, but he could get on a similar plan for 65 percent more per year.

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STICKER SHOCK: Todd Blome and his family learned last week their premiums will increase 65 percent under Obamacare if they want to stay on a plan comparable to their current individual plan.

Blue Cross Blue Shield offered other options, but the cheapest one was still 55 percent more than the Lincoln accountant currently pays for his individual plan.

His income is too high to qualify for tax credits, so his only hope was to check the Obamacare federal health insurance exchange — a sort of one-stop shop to look for an insurance plan — which opened for business today. The marketplaces, or exchanges, began a six-month signup today, but heavy traffic was causing problems on the website, HealthCare.gov.

He tried to check the prices Tuesday, but didn’t get far. Users must set up an account before pricing plans — a process he described as “filled with peril.”

“The site was slow and there were numerous errors, however I think I finally have a user account,” Blome said via email.

After finally setting up his account, he wasn’t able to log on.

“It’s been that way all day,” he said. He kept getting the following message:

Insurance marketplace 2

“Pretty embarrassing really,” Blome said. “The government has had years to prepare for this and it’s a total failure on opening morning.”

Watchdog reported earlier today the website was filled with snafus this morning.

Two hours later, Blome had called the toll-free number listed on the Obamacare website, and waited 30 minutes to talk to someone. She confirmed the log-in was not functioning.

“I understand that the site probably got hit with quite a few visitors today, however, it was not unexpected,” Blome said.

MSNBC tried to do a demonstration on the air, but had to give up due to glitches:


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  • gerardharbison

    Then why did they roll it out like this? They could have staggered access by state.

    And why is nearly every state exchange website down too?

    And why when you actually get on, are the security questions not functioning?

    They’ve had four years to get it ready.

  • BossMan

    Looks like this Obamacare thingy might be kinda popular. No wonder republicans wanted to shut it down. Now they can’t.
    The ACA might have coverage for mental illness so republicans can get the help they desperately need. In a few years the world will be a better place for all of us and all the recovering conservatives. Thanks Obamacare!!

  • Biff Pocoroba

    Exactly. See ‘Harbison, Gerard’ above.

  • jimino

    Would you expect anything else from the “ivory tower conservative”?

  • What_dat_mean

    I am going to read the “Document” before I sign up for NOBAMACARE!

  • Mike

    Todd’s experience is precisely what I had. My rates were going to go up 72 percent, but I decided to go back to my employer’s plan, which is ONLY a 60 percent increase over what I was paying before…so I’m still getting screwed, but at least my employer’s plan offers a few more minutes of cuddling.

    Those who think this is such a good plan are more than welcome to pay the difference for me. I’m sure you’ll run right out and do that, too…LOL.

  • guest

    The thing to remember is that the people who authorized this and came up with implementation are now in charge of your health care. And I speak not only of the politicians, but of the bureaucrats who are in charge of the nuts and bolts. I heard a Dr. today comparing this to the role out of Medicare. That may be true. The problem is, medicare, medicaid, social security and the other entitlements are not sustainable. Just like any of house of cards, the more cards you add the shakier the house gets. Sooner or later, it will collapse of it own weight. Even if you tax the rich at 100% the increase each year in these programs will keep out pacing income. At that time, maybe long after we are gone, we will be like Spain, Greece or any of the others who have had their serious budget problems and face massive demonstrations from those who can no longer rely on the government for their sustenance.

  • Kevin

    The thinktanks of Obamacare must not have partnered with the Information Technology people to see if their train wreck plan could handle the enrollment traffic.

  • Curious

    POPPYCOCK!

  • Curious

    First the Republicans bitched because President Obama’s goal his 1st term in office was to deliver Affordable Health Care to the American people. Now that it is a LAW and they (R) have tried to stop the people from having access to health care by defunding it, which was nonsense because it did not defund care. Another failure! Now they are bitching about how the overload on the system due to the incredible volume of those who want coverage has caused malfunctioning. Nothing this President has done is acceptable. Republicans continue to claim they are doing the peoples will. What people? 10% population of the House are Tea Party, they do not represent the majority of the people. Meanwhile back in Washington the Republicans are falling all over themselves trying to blame the Democrats for shutting down the government. House Republicans have been the most irresponsible congressional reps we have had since FDR. Shutting down the government will cost the people millions of dollars. How is this being fiscally responsible? All this chatter about health care is just a diversion to take the American people off subject of what is really going on. Republicans are destroying our country and our democratic way of life.

  • guest

    Unless you have some facts to refute, your opinion is pretty much worthless. We already know that medicare, medicaid and SS are unsustainable. Even the most radical of Dem. know that. You can hide your head in the sand all you want. All you are doing is condemning those down the road. So much for compassion for the poor. They will suffer the most. Poppycock never paid the bills nor made things better. Try nto find a new mentor for your research. Your current one is doing you no favors.

  • guest

    From your CNN buddies,

    NEW YORK (CNNMoney) — Highlighting the fiscal problems posed by growing health costs and an aging population, the trustees of the nation’s main entitlement programs estimated Monday that Medicare will only be able to pay a portion of its expected costs starting in 2024.

    Their outlook for Social Security worsened somewhat.

    Put another way, if lawmakers wanted to make the program solvent over the next 75 years, they would need to raise the 2.9% Medicare tax on all wages to 4.25%.

    And that may be the best-case scenario, since
    the trustees’ estimates assume that a scheduled cut in Medicare payments will go through, even though Congress regularly overrides it. Their numbers also assume that the cost-savings measures called for under the new health reform law will occur as predicted.

    http://money.cnn.com/2012/04/23/news/economy/social_security_medicare_trustees/index.htm.

    Read it for yourself. Your better get with the Dems. program. There is no fool like an old fool.

  • guest

    Actually, the Russians bailed out Obama before he could get us into another war. I hear Vladimir is coming to bail him out of this mess also. Thank goodness for the Russians. Since the Repub. offered two compromises and Harry and Barack didn’t accept them or change their position at all, the facts are, the Repub, tried to compromise the Dems. did not. The last offer from the house offered to delay the tax on individuals just like Obama has done for big business. the Pres. still said no. They said small incremental changes needed to be made but yet they refused to give to the people, especially the poor, the same thing they massively gave to big business. It would seem the Dems have no intention of changing anything regardless. They have become the party of no and the obstructionist. But I will agree with you on one thing. The Republicans should just stop trying to change it. The world is going to hell anyway, for that is His plan, and this just speeds it up.

  • Jazzee

    amen
    it is because the law is stupid
    and the claim only the uninsured are applying or being forced into this mess is a LIE
    we are losing our insurance thru employer…..they are dumping the entire company onto this mess
    and from what I have seen we cannot afford it
    what a joke
    but then it has nothing to do with ‘healthcare’ and eventually people will figure that out …..

  • Jazzee

    excellent post

  • Jazzee

    obamaer should sign UP FIRST oh yeah he is exempt like the rest of the idiots in DC
    he is the one who needs mental healthcare he is such a liar…..

  • guest

    Full Definition of DEMOCRACY
    1 a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority

    Gallup
    As of 2010, Gallup polling found that 31% of Americans identified as Democrats (tying a 22-year low), 29% as Republicans, and 38% as independents.[3] By 2011 Gallup found that Americans identifying as independents had risen to 40 percent.

    Neither you nor the Repubs. are the majority. However, since they both have rigged the election laws to eliminate any chance of a third party having a viable chance, they hold on to power through manipulation and immoral actions.We do not have a Democracy as the majority is not in control and indeed is disenfranchised by the two immoral parties now in control.

  • guest

    She’s forty-one and her daddy still calls ‘er “baby”

    All the folks ’round Brownsville say she’s crazy

    ‘Cause she walks downtown with her suitcase in her hand

    Lookin’ for a mysterious dark-haired man

    In her younger days they called her Delta Dawn

    Prettiest woman you ever laid eyes on

    Then a man of low degree stood by her side

    Promised her he’d take her for his bride

    Go home Delta, he is not coming back for you.

  • ProgressiveOasis

    The difference Donna is that no one is required by law to buy Apple products but, under possible penalty from the IRS, you are required to have/purchase health insurance through these exchanges if it isn’t provided by your employer. With over 3 years to prepare, it doesn’t give you pause that their much touted enrollment system craps out on the first day??? If it doesn’t, you’re obviously dumb enough to qualify as an Obama voter.

  • Curious

    Just can’t stand to be on the wrong side of a good thing can you Mr. doom and gloom.

  • Donna Long

    Yes it’s required but not on the first day the exchanges are available. You are aware of that aren’t you? The overwhelming first day response indicates a positive response and huge need there is for this law, not a failure.

  • Donna Long

    Enrollment was not required on Oct. 1. The response was quite overwhelming because of the need for this program, not because of a rejection by Americans, as the Republicans had hoped.

  • Donna Long

    The ACA rollout was similar to the rollout of Medicare. The doctor was not saying the programs are similar. Please try to pay attention to the words and meanings and stop trying to bend every remotely possible piece of information to the right wing agenda.

  • Donna Long

    You are aware that no one was “required” to purchase insurance yesterday, aren’t you? That millions of Americans have clamored to finally be able to purchase affordable insurance, or even just to investigate it on the first day that was possible is a sure sign that the right wing’s deepest fears have become reality…..that Obamacare is a much needed and desired program for millions of Americans. Your desire to turn my comparison to an Apple rollout indicates either an inability to understand what your reading, or a desire to twist the meaning of easily understood language. Either way, you are a rude and disrespectful person who contributes to the divisiveness that keeps our country from solving problems. I’m so sorry we have Americans who behave as you do.

  • guest

    Unless you understand the problem you can not provide a solution. Your solution is to ignore the problem hoping it goes away. That is not going to happen. Everything you fear and worse will happen if things are not fixed. You are the doom gloom and those who lead us and act like you only seal the fate. You are not on the good side of anything. You are condemning those you claim to want to protect into a worse fate than they have now. You are worse than the Republicans. You give false give hope while taking away their future.

  • guest

    I would say the same thing to you. “I heard a Dr. today comparing this to the role out of Medicare.” That is what I wrote, what did you read? The history of the government is the same for all of these social welfare programs. That is what I addressed in the rest of my message. Your nit picking does not change the fact, this country can not support another growing welfare program such as this. Since there was a better answer that was cheaper and quicker, it shows how little people care about the future and how selfish they are in getting what they want even though it condemns the future generations. As an older person I understand your fear. But your fear and selfishness helps only the now. I would hope at some point you would start to care more about the future of your younger family members.

  • guest

    Where are your facts to back up this opinion?

  • guest

    It is not usual that someone more advanced in age would not understand that the technology exist so that it takes a lot more than 30 million to put a web site under. Note the hackers who attack constantly that are many times thwarted. If 30 million are uninsured, proper procedure would have been to have a plan to handle that many inquires. The implementation was as shoddy as the passing of the law. May the hidden parts of the law no one knows about not devastate you in your future. Now is the time to be afraid of the unknown.

  • Kevin

    High traffic should have been anticipated because of the “go and check the marketplace for what your rates will be” propaganda from the Democrats.

  • Kevin

    If thousands a month is “affordable” (your words), then you can help them all pay for it.

  • Donna Long

    And it’s not unusual to expect that someone who is acting as mature as a 5 year old would like to preface their inaccurate post with an insult. You, and those who behave as you do, are the primary contributors to the divisiveness and nastiness that has become prevalent in our country as we try to work through problems to solutions that are helpful to all Americans. I live in fear of people like you who are rude and lacking in a desire to respect the rights of those who disagree with you.

  • Dave Fall

    Late yesterday afternoon I called and got through quickly. I was helped by a knowledgeable person with involved questions about one of our small businesses.
    I need to follow up today and will do so on computer if bugs have been worked out.
    I can not resist saying this is just about what Private Insurer we will choose.

  • Donna Long

    This country is swarming with Monday morning quarterbacks, who love to whine and complain, and even worse, like the shoot from the hip manner of reacting to events. Patience and an open mind might lead you to a more realistic and happy place in your lives.

  • Donna Long

    If one were to have believed all the right wing lies being spread pre-rollout, Americans hated the ACA and would not be interested in signing up. You rightwingers always think you can have it both ways. Romney lost the last election because he thought he could campaign on both sides…that ends up making a person dishonest and Americans resoundingly reject dishonesty in debates.

  • Kevin

    Dishonesty is Obama telling people they can keep their own doctor. Many of these ACA plans are HMO’s, and if your doctor is not part of that HMO, then you can’t keep your doctor if they are not in the plan you want to choose.

    Dishonesty is Pelosi saying that people would pay less for an ACA plan.

    Keep believing what CNN and the Obama drones keep telling you.

  • ProgressiveOasis

    Written as a true Obama voter…ignorant to the core Donna Long. I wonder how many of those millions of Obama voters who want to purchase “affordable insurance” have figured out that the copays and out of pocket deductibles mean they’d be far better off paying the $95 fine than wasting money on the bronze/silver/gold plan premiums. How’s that? Given a significant medical problem, they are still going to end up declaring bankruptcy with/without their “affordable” insurance since it’s unlikely the vast majority of Obama voters have tens of thousands of dollars in savings sitting by waiting for just such an emergency. I’m sure most of yesterday’s crush was curious Obama voters wanting to see how much of a subsidy they could get if they purchase coverage. Unless it’s free, look for that number to be far far less than projected by the Obama folks.

  • ProgressiveOasis

    Donna you are absolutely right to live in fear. Nature hates nothing more than stupidity and punishes it harshly. I’m afraid you’ll discover at some future point that producing solutions “that are helpful to all Americans” will produce just the circumstances where you’ll learn that lesson the very hard way. The fact that you’ll richly deserve it doesn’t lessen the pity I feel for your impending suffering.

  • Donna Long

    You act as if you know so much. I haven’t watched CNN in years and I don’t need you to tell me who to believe, just as it’s not my place to tell you either. That’s a distraction used when the facts don’t match your opinion. I’m a healthcare provider, so I think I can speak from a correctly informed place. Yes it’s true some people can choose to change their physicians if they find a better plan in which to enroll. And yes some plans will cost more than others, depending on the benefits chosen. But the basic requirements of the law are a vast improvement for Americans. You will eventually see this is true and I’m sorry you will have wasted so much energy and emotion on the wrong issue. What we need to insist on from our lawmakers is that they sit down and listen to each other and fix the parts of this law that need fixing, without gutting it completely. It is modeled on a Republican desisgned law that has been in effect in Massachusetts for years, and they are welcoming the ACA as it improves the system they’ve successfully implemented since Romney was governor.

  • Curious

    “the law is stupid’…that explains every thing. “being forced into this mess IS a lie”, no one is being forced in to the program. Explain why you are losing “our” insurance thru employer. “it has nothing to do with ‘healthcare’ , what does it have to do with?

  • gerardharbison

    You’d have been a wonderful person to stand beside in one of the old Soviet Union meat lines.

  • gerardharbison

    I just tried healthcare.gov. The menu of security questions is still blank, as people were reporting yesterday. The only way to create an account is to make up answers to unknown questions. And then when you do that, it says the system is unavailable, and kicks you back to the beginning, where you have to enter your information all over again.

    It’s broken. it doesn’t work.

  • Curious

    Thank you Donna, well spoken words of wisdom.

  • gerardharbison

    I hate to break it to you, but they didn’t have a World Wide Web in 1965.

    Sheesh.

  • Donna Long

    Yes, as long as people like you spread hate and disrespect I will live in fear of your sort. I do not wish for you to be punished harshly, however. You are pitiful but being pitiful is not a punishable disease. I believe the history of our country’s success proves my point and I stand in no fear of the goodness of the majority who have chosen a direction quite opposite of you. We have a need to keep working for the good of our country and I have no fear that hateful folks such as you will once again be defeated in your efforts.

  • gerardharbison

    I got iOS7 downloaded and running in 20 minutes, without a hitch, within an hour of it going on line.

  • gerardharbison

    Second day too. It’s still completely non-functional.

  • Donna Long

    No one, least of all me, has said we did. We are discussing the glitches in the roll out. Try to keep up and stay on topic!

  • HuGnu

    OK – So we all realize that Deena Winter doesn’t like Obamacare.
    (Could this be by any chance due to the financial backing to Watchdog from one of the Candidadtes that forces them to not cover a certain political race?)
    As for this being newsworthy coverage – LOL- it is not.
    Say goodnight everyone. This story needs to be put to bed.

  • Donna Long

    You honestly think that’s comparable to looking into hundreds of options of insurance plans. No comparison, not even close. My point was about all the times Apple has rolled out new products that had glitches. Please try to comprehend the words and stop trying to twist them to suit your argument. It’s one of the reasons I don’t watch Fox or listen to folks like Rush. They try to twist everything into a meaning that isn’t close to what was said.

  • gerardharbison

    “The ACA rollout was similar to the rollout of Medicare.”

    Except this time the software and the servers are FUBAR, and last time the word ‘software’ didn’t exist, and a server was a waiter.

    Yep, it’s similar.

  • gerardharbison

    And a ‘glitch’ is a smal;l problem. This is not a ‘glitch’. The entire system is an unfunctioning disaster.

  • Curious

    You know what Mr. ProgressiveOasis that I love about all of you Right wing nut jobs that are picking away at Our President and obstructing everything he tries to do, one day you all will not call it Obama care. It will be know as the Affordable Care Act. You all will be so ashamed to call it by any other name because the majority will not elect you into public office again. The Kock brothers will not have enough money. And the Democrats will laugh and laugh with joy!.

  • gerardharbison

    No, it’s not comparable. The iOS7 update was hundreds of megabytes. The little Javascript that runs the healthcare.gov client is transmitting just a few bytes — ASCII encoded names, etc.. And the servers can’t handle it.

    If you find you’re being constantly misunderstood, perhaps you should search for alternative explanations. I’ve never seen a product launch that was completely non-functional, so that even the popup menus don’t work, into the second day.

  • Curious

    Do you honestly think the lay person should be impressed with your computer talk. Get real! With the millions of people waiting to find out how they can finally get health care for their family or themselves is a great thing for the richest country in the world to achieve. Get over yourself!

  • Kevin

    What is non-factual about the lies that Obama and Pelosi have fed America about the ACA? Keep your doctor = lie in many cases. Rates will go down = lie.

    Prove me wrong.

  • Kevin

    Incidentally, I am registered non-partisan. I have voted more Democratic in my life. So, your ASSumption that I am a right-winger makes you look more foolish.

  • Curious

    I dislike a debate with you because you always think you are correct. BUT President Obama beat Mitt Romney by how many votes…….a majority. Republicans are the party of suppressing the vote and changing voter districts. Of course every one is immoral except for you of course!

  • Curious

    According to the gospel of Libertairian01a

  • ProgressiveOasis

    The history of “our” country’s success is of individuals.small groups who risked everything to build successful businesses that served a large number of willing customers and along the way employed lots of people providing those products and services. They asked for no handouts and offered none. I don’t hate stupid people like you Donna. You live in some delusion of a utopian all for one, one for all dream world that has not and never will exist. When the government runs out of money…and it will…then what??? Look at the day to day living conditions in most of Detroit, that’s what your lofty but stupid ideas will produce….and those that can, will leave you behind to bear the full burden.

  • Watching_From_Lincoln

    Like Dumblya Bush and Darth Cheney weren’t liars? Where are those WMD’s they told us WERE there in Iraq as the justification for the deaths of over 4,000 American soldiers, the wounding of over 30,000 American soldiers, at least 1.5 million Iraqi casualties and $10 Trillion in borrowed (deficit) spending that with interest has now left this country with an $18 Trillion deficit to pay off and yet once again the Tea Party Neo-Fascists in the House and Senate refuse to pay the bills that they have ran up. The TRUE liars are all those millionaire “Tea Party” Congresspeople who only serve one agenda – destroy our Government and replace it with Corporate Profit according to the gospel of Koch.

  • gerardharbison

    You clearly work for OFA. The Obama administration had three years to put this together and the result is a national joke. If it’s such a great thing, why doesn’t it work? If it’s so important, why doesn’t it work?

  • gerardharbison

    I see you boys can’t deal with the predictable disaster your massively expensive government run healthcare system has become, and have reverted to personal attacks. Kill the messenger.

    Have all the fun you want. ObamaCare will still be a POS when you’re done.

  • gerardharbison

    The rollout of ObamaCare. four years in the making, was a complete disaster, and that isn’t newsworthy?

    Go away, little OFAoid.

  • Curious

    Ms Long, I apologize for these people who are for the most part radical, right wing, white males. These people are the same ones who have been in favor of cutting off food stamps for children, the sick and the elderly. They want to stop Meals on Wheels, Head Start, force the theory of Creation into public schools, start Charter Schools and believe that everyone should have his or hers private stock of AK-47’s. You are talking to the wind. They do not have the intelligence to comprehend. They believe it is OK to murder the doctor that provides women’s healthcare services but if that same doctor terminates a pregnancy because that fetus has no brain, that doctor is committing murder. They have no logic. They don’t care that people such as my daughter who has SMA3 needs insurance.

  • Curious

    Our copays and deductibles will still be less that having had to go all these years with no insurance because of a preexisting condition. Unless you have been in our situation I suggest you stop projecting what you think we might do or will do.

  • Curious

    YAWN, you are so boring.

  • Nicholas

    I’m with Kevin on this one. Clicking a link to a website doesn’t equal support. If that’s the case, I suppose Miss Cyrus’ “scandalous” routine is approved by Americans because of all the views.

  • Curious

    Boring, this country was made by the combined work of all people to include the mill worker, the farmer, the waitress, the seamtress and on and on. Not just the small and big businesses. Unions were formed to protect the workers from the corporate rulers and their unjust regulations and wagers. Detroit is a poor example of what is wrong with what you claim made America what it is today. Detroit failed due to multiple mismanagement issues which has nothing to do with the subject at hand. Your entry has nothing to do with healthcare period. Was your goal to put down Ms Long? You failed miserably!

  • Curious

    MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM Interesting. Wish you could say who the candidates were. Probably Republican.

  • guest

    Actually, for what anyone knows, it could be anti-obamacare forces attacking the website to shut it down. That excuse is a lot more plausible that the poor or uninsured getting on the internet in such numbers that they crashed the site. Especially since may of them don’t own computers nor do they understand the process well enough to go to it on a computer.

  • guest

    For a baby killer by abortion you sure are a hoot! Plus you have never seen a fact you can’t ignore nor researched a fact you can print. If we want opinions you are the source because you seem to have an opinion on everything even if you know little to nothing about it. For a laugh you are great, for the truth, not so much. Go home Delta Dawn, the dems. are done abusing you and could care less now.

  • ProgressiveOasis

    Better check your history Curious, you moron. Of the 4 folks you listed, only the farmer risks his own capital to produce products. All the others are employees who work for someone else who took all the risk to start a business. I see that you’re another Marxist Obamaite who buys into that “you didn’t build it” theory of economics. I use Detroit as a shining example of what happens when the money runs out after most of the productive population have left idiot. Same thing is happening elsewhere, like Chicago. As I wrote above, you morons are going to so richly deserve the fate you’re going to get and all the time you’ll be complaining that someone else didn’t provide for you.

  • guest

    Well curious, for the thousandths time, I could care less who is in charge of the government. As a Christian I already know the ending. As a former Fed. employee, one party is no better than other. However, the reason you always see me as right is that I provide supporting documentation to back up what I say. You provide only opinion with nothing to support what you say. So I don’t ask people to believe only me, like you do. I give them reasons, facts and expert opinion to digest and reflect on. Your inferiority complex can be assuaged if you would just do a little research and believe someone other than your self. And just so you may finally understand. As a retired Fed. I have a health care plan not affected by Obama care. The govt. pays 75% of my premium but my 25% is still over $400.00 per month. My retirement pay is around $5000.00 per month. I do not vote any more there is nothing worth voting about. So I have no horses in the race. I don’t care which side is in charge. My interest is in factual information. Your way of “discussing” via emotion is why this country is in deadlock. You can never change the mind of an ideologue of anything because they have no motivation to change and once they have lost their emotion, they have nothing left. In other words, your hate and bitterness are what you live for. Without it you become a shell. So let the hate continue so you can continue to live!

  • guest

    Whoa, another obsessed, paranoid crazy? Provide some facts to dispute what I put out. If you can’t, go home and fantasize about your Libertarian. But leave your fantasies at home please.

  • guest

    Your facts to support your assertion are?

  • guest

    But yet they elected the man who promised change. Where is that change?

  • guest

    Yet you stay here and reply.
    could it be you are: lying? Yes facts and truth are boring aren’t they. On the other hand, your rants and fictional writings can be amusing to read. Laughter is good for the soul. Thanks for the laughs.

  • guest

    I stand ready to change any assertion you can prove is untrue. As I tried to explain to Curious, all you need to do is a little research and present something other than your opinion. It is emotional folks like you who you need to fear. Emotion drives fear and fear leads to lashing out and attacking. It is indeed emotion that fosters fears that makes gridlock possible. Ask any 5 year old they can explain it to you.

  • guest

    I think this is what you are searching for. From each according to his ability, to each according to his need (or needs) is a slogan popularized by Karl Marx in his 1875 Critique of the Gotha Program

  • gerardharbison

    The sinister ‘anti-obamacare’ forces didn’t create a set of blank alternatives for security questions.

  • Virginia Lee

    It is not thousands a month, actually, Kevin. Stop spreading misinformation and lies. Just another troll.

  • guest

    It’s all in your definition. Having a majority of the votes casted, is far from having the majority of Americans vote for him. If it makes you feel good to say he got the majority of the votes, you can live in that fantasy world. Facts are fact, 57% voted, 50.4 percent of those voted for Obama. that means that less than 30% of voting age Americans voted for the current president. Muslim countries recently conducting elections do much better than that. Those are the facts and once again, your opinion can not change them. http://www.statisticbrain.com/presidential-election-voter-statistics/ True to form, when Kerry lost by electoral votes the Dems raised cain and said they were ripped off. When Obama won, the electoral vote was pointed to by Dems as a big victory and the very close popular vote was ignored. Those are the facts. I even put in one of the sources so you may go and edify yourself. You don’t like debate because using emotion against logic and facts, emotion will always comes out to be the looser. People are interested in information that can help them make informed decisions. Emotion is more conducive to fear and anger. You would be much more effective if you used a rational approach rather than a name calling and emotional responses all the time.

  • guest

    maybe maybe note. History has shown the ability of hackers to make many changes to a web page. But the question you spur me to is, who are these sinister forces??? :(

  • Kevin

    65-85% increase for most families amounts to thousands. Do some research on affected families (like the one in the story) on how the ACA costs them.

    Not misinformation. Put up some facts or go away.

  • Kevin

    They can access the site with their obamaphone. No computer needed.

  • gerardharbison

    Well, if they can change security questions, it seems that identity theft should be easy. ‘What is your Social Security Number’? would be a heck of a security question :-)

    Either way, seems like you want to avoid this site like the plague.

  • Curious

    What part of what I said is not true? “They believe it is OK to murder the doctor (DR Tiller) that provides women’s healthcare services but if that same doctor terminates a pregnancy because that fetus has no brain, that doctor is committing murder.”. I HAVE NEVER KILLED A ZYGOTE, A FETUS OR A BABY! You are a sick, emotionally disturbed old man who is an endangerment to society and should be institutionalized.

  • Curious

    Jazee can’t handle your facts, not enough toes and fingers to count that high. Maybe we should get her a tinfoil hat?

  • Curious

    Oh right, another Paul Revere, “The British are coming, the British are coming!”.

  • gerardharbison

    You libs are funny.

    “The marketplace isn’t working. Maybe it was hacked. But don’t worry, enter all your confidential information anyway!”

  • Barbara Smith

    Not surprising. When Nobama announced a loan modification program, the banks kept asking how do you want us to monitor it? What do you need to see so the borrower can get their $300? What dept. will this be submitted to? I don’t know, I don’t know, I don’t know where the answers to every question the banks had for this new “great” program. Well, all loan mods stopped! I was in that business and almost lost my job! Started to call of Bank of America customers but that’s a different story for a different time!

  • Curious

    Say what you will and site any facts you want…President Obama ran for office twice and he was elected twice. THAT IS A FACT. You should look in the mirror when you call out others on name calling as it is your favorite thing to do, ie; baby killer. That’s real rational and non emotional.

  • guest

    Actually that was a good thing Paul did to actually warn the settlers that the British forces were coming. That is one really ridiculous example. However, curious I do have an easy question.You rail against the Kochs, the House the Tea Party and republicans in general. Yet you have Soros, the presidency, the senate, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, MSNBC, CNN, obamacare, a compassionate president in the presidency not to mention he is a minority and Chris Matthews. Yet no one complains or whines more than you do. You appear to be a very sore loser. Anyway, the question is, just exactly what would it take to make you happy?

  • guest

    Well first of all, we are not “most part radical, right wing, white males”. One man killed Dr. Tiller and not one of us has agreed that that was a good thing or the right thing to do. We are not in favor of cutting off food stamps to children. In fact I proved to you that there is waste and abuse in the system and we would like to stop the waste abuse. That could actually make more money available for children. No body has said anything about Meals on Wheels I think it is a great program. Actually I believe that if you are not going to allow all theories of our evolutionary history into school, you shouldn’t allow any. Evolution is just a theory. Charter schools have proven to be a boon to many children, especially low income. The public school system, look at OPS prior to all the current changes, is a failure. I believe all children should have every opportunity to succeed and to limit that to a proven deficient public system especially those in decrepit areas, model is doing a disservice to many children. If public schools are so good,why are the best university private? Head Start has been shown to lose all advantage by the third grade. It is a failure. Personally, I don’t own any guns anymore. I use to teach hunter’s safety and hunt. The constitution allows for the citizens of this country to own guns. The duly appointed justices, including those appointed by ‘Democrats, have determined the parameters of owning a gun. If you believe the courts are wrong in their interpretation, then you have to allow that they may be wrong in Roe vs. Wade. Either accept it all or none of it. You can not cherry pick and remain credible. Whether or not a fetus has a brain is not one of the factors of what constitutes life. You are right, as far as I know, you have never killed any of the above. You have counseled children to abort a child of God when they are at their most vulnerable time in their life. It is a difference without a meaningful distinction. You take advantage of the disadvantaged and helpless. I have never spewed the hate you have spewed in that last line. I have never tried to force my religion down your throat like you do in every post yo put out. Opinion is nothing but religion. I have never wished such evil upon you. You talk of love and god but your writing shows that you have no idea what that means. It is my hope that if I ever do get down to the depths of hatred and vitriol that you spew, that I do die. For I would not like to live as you, in hatred and bitterness and the putrid ideas you have about others. The bottom line is, the vast majority of what you have said is wrong because it is an opinion based on a stereotype. Shall we treat you the same?

  • guest

    One who is really interested in becoming more educated and smart sure would be. The ignorant, not so much.

  • guest

    What’s you point? What does it have to do with the topic of the story?

  • Curious

    Guess what Mr. Libertarian01a and Guest, you have already treated me with distain, put me down and tried to make fun of me. Your halo is tarnished…Busted again! Roe Vs Wade like Afordable Health Care is the law of the land so get over yourself. Most of those who need the protection of both laws do not have the government benefits of $5,000.00 a month in retirement. Most did not make that much when they were employed. As Mr. Goody two shoes it would behoove you to make an attempt to at least pretend you can relate to the sick and the poor.

  • guest

    My father in law spent his last 7 years living under my roof and passed away in my arms. My mother suffered from Parkinson’s for over ten years. But I don’t want to to be part of your continual pity party. Take it somewhere else. Would you like to denigrate my father in law as your friend Hu did to my mother? Women not being able to vote, slavery and Jim crow laws were the law of the land also, just to name a few. Had the minorities who played the biggest part in getting them over turned, used your strategy, your life would be vastly different today than it is. It is because of minorities refusing to knuckle under to oppressive politicians that most bad laws are over turned. Get over it. You belong to the oppressive majority. Care to answer the question. Once again, abnormal obsessiveness with the Libertarian. I think even Hu got over his obsession. You need to get a life!

  • guest

    PS. When I served my country in the military while you partied around New York, we were paid so little we were poor enough to qualify for food stamps. With two kids, my wife refused to get them. We got more jobs and still managed to spend time with our children. It is called a work ethic. Some of your baby machine poor people should try it. It is liberating.

  • Curious

    What a martyr you are…bravo for you. Thanks for your advice, but, no thanks to you or those of your ilk. I have a great life and I am very happy. Next you are going to try and tell me you were all dressed up like a women and were one of those out there fighting for a woman’s right to vote and for a woman’s right to choice. Do me a favor, stop trying to project your distorted versions of reality on me. The minority, the Tea Party is so over…

  • Curious

    Your insulting and a disgrace to the human race. AND you claim to be a Christian.

  • Ruby Durbin

    Donna Long. Since this was “passed so we could see what was in it”, and we have seen so many promises broken; “If you like your healthcare you can keep it”, “If you like your Doctor you can keep him/her”, etc…ect…many tried to log on just to see what was in it!!!!!!

  • frustrated

    I am a temp worker through Manpower in Wisconsin making $10 and hour . The insurance they provide I cannot afford. They mailed a booklet regarding the Health Care Reform. In it, it states “if you do not have health insurance by January 1, 2014, you may be assessed a tax penalty based on your income and family status. (1% of your household income with a maximum of $285.00.) Why is a penalty needed?

  • frustrated

    Exactly! I tried to create an account and almost made it until the website shutdown. The little bit i did gather from the information pages, I discovered I am eligible for state medicaid or as it is called Badger Care in Wisconsin. I checked out WI Access website and It says I am eligible except the Plan is currently closed and suggested I sign up for the new “market place” program. Passing the Buck already! BTW: I am 50 yrs old. health and without insurance and fine with it. I know what the Medicaid doctors and care looks like, my mother and family members have suffered through it.

  • frustrated

    I just checked and for Milwaukee the Silver Plan is $540 a month for me. I am 50 yrs old. currently not insured making $10/hr with a temp agency on a temp assignment. The market place website says I should use state medicaid based on my income. I just checked it and The state Badger Core medicaid program is closed currently to anyone new. I would be embarrassed to be a part of medicaid, unless the goverment makes me! Oh yes they are making me and If I don’t there is a penalty. Yes, it’s only 1% of your income with a $285 max. Ahhh that’s nothing. Maybe Virginia Lee and Donna can cover that for me! I also have graduate school student loans I still have to pay for. I earned my MA in 2009 and lost my job 2 months later. I’ve been working temp jobs in different states since. What happens when you move around based on work? forgive my typos….old laptop keys are sticking. God save us all

  • guest

    really? I believe that welfare is not a life style. I believe that the longer you stay on welfare the less dignity and self worth you have. Welfare is economic slavery to the government. There are some that need assistance all their life. Your daughter maybe one. However, there are so many able bodied ones who suckle from the government trough that those who truly need assistance can not get all that they need. The saying, if you give a man a fish you feed him for a meal, but if you teach him how to fish he can eat for a lifetime, is an undeniable truth. It wasn’t very long ago where a 14 year old girl from North Omaha stated to the World Herald that all she was good for was making babies. She is a symbol of everything that is wrong with your system that you love. I don’t know how you see it but it is economic slavery. I believe that as God wrote, leave grain in the field so the less fortunate can come and harvest it so they have something to eat but can retain the self esteem. That is the God of the bible’s world. Not yours of handouts to those who don’t need it or are to unmotivated to earn it. Yes I am a Christian who believes in the dignity of every human being. Who refuses to support any system that denigrates humans or takes away their dignity. If that is a disgrace to the human race, I wear it proudly. Through the years man has always found a way to dehumanize others so they can slaughter them. The crusades, the jihadist, Pol Pot, Mao, Hitler, all the revolutions in Europe and Russia, the war lords in Africa who steal little children and make them into children soldiers slaughtering others. In your case, the word is Zygote. It is just rationalizing a away to kill. What if your mother had aborted you? The silver lining would be, she would probably have a saved a lot of other little children. You are the stain on society. You are the one who takes the dignity away from other humans. I do not believe you know a Christian from a Zygote. It is God’s definition of whose his children are and not yours that matter. The very fact you accuse like you do shows you know not who God is and who his children are. You accuse of us of pushing God down your throat, what have you just done. Hypocrite.

  • guest

    Is it ironic, you are the perfect example of absolute power corrupts absolutely. You would do anything to get rid of any one who opposes your view. Yet you claim this is a Democracy. Not with people like you in charge. You are a dictator want to be who would squash the right of free speech for anyone who does not agree with you. Maybe you should move to Russia or China. Your opinions certainly are more in tune with them than this country. Actually, the majority of evil was over a long time ago. You just can not admit yet.

  • guest

    Yes it would seem that anyone who through hard has made something of themselves is a disgrace to you. No fool like and old fool.

  • guest

    It is time to go. I have allowed you to drag me down to your level. I apologize for the hurtful things. I hope you can find the peace and happiness you seem to be unable to find here.

  • Curious

    First and foremost I must explain I am not giving you an official answer. I am guessing…I think that because you are not employed other than through a temporary service the rule does not apply to you. Until you have a full time job of a determined income, then I think you will have to register for the program and your premium will be based on a pro-rated amount affordable to that income. I know nothing about a tax penalty, you can go to HEALTHCARE.ORG and research it.

  • Curious

    And he huffed and he puffed and he still thinks only his way, the selfish, white martyr who knows all about those poor folks and how they should just go to work even if there are no jobs cause Republicans are to busy trying to destroy this country, not creating jobs, just worried about being reelected. POPPYCOCK sir.

  • Virginia Lee

    We already are covering you, my dear, and for the far more costly expenses to cover all those who have no insurance and get sick (and who thus usually head to the ER, the costliest care of all). This has included those who’ve had accidents that aren’t covered by any policy anywhere–if you trip on the ice as you walk to your car and break your leg, for instance, or break your neck while riding your bicycle and get paralyzed. That is the way the law has worked to cover health care costs–until now. This is no different from any other insurance–auto, renter’s, homeowner’s, or retiree’s. With the ACA, however, those with incomes below a certain amount (one that’s far more generous about income allowances than is current Medicare law), they will not have to pay those premiums. Each state’s info line person will be able to direct you to where you will be covered. Certain states’ lack of cooperation is why the ACA has put up a ton of information to help its residents. My daughter is in a similar situation, with the economy tanking in 2007 just as she was about to enter the job market with her new degree (and all those school loans to be repaid, no matter what–because not even bankruptcy is a reason not to repay school loans, while other, less wise, purchases are). One visit to the doctor costs $150, not including any tests or Rxs, for something minor such as bronchitis or strep. Anything more serious for diagnostics or treatment puts the individual–and their entire family–at risk from the phenomenal costs. Most insurance coverage currently is far more expensive–IF your employer covers you; but only very large employers do so (and even most of these provide it only for full-time employees–who still have to share at least half of the policy’s cost. Sadly, many of the larger employers have avoided paying benefits for those working 35 hrs/wk–merely one hour/day less than a 40 hr work week–which still requires the same expenses on the employee’s part for time/gas/fares to and from work each day). Without that greater pool of a large employer’s work force, then health insurance is even more costly. It is economies of scale that allow costs to decrease as they’re spread across a larger group, rather than as it is now, with only a small pool here, or that medium-sized one there, or millions of pockets of individuals and families, etc. If someone has never had to buy their own health insurance, the surprise of the cost is enlightening–no doubt about it. It does not come cheap in America. That is precisely why something needed to be done. (The first toe in the water was tried by the Nixon administration, with the only truly serious attempt at addressing the matter being made during the Clinton administration.) Previously, “affordable” health premiums–just as with auto or home owner’s insurance–come with very high deductibles. For those who’ve previously been covered by a parent’s policy, or by their college’s plan, entry into the world of responsible adulthood can be a real shocker because they’ve been previously unaware of the costs. This IS less, and it will continue to be less for all of us. My sister lives in France, and when her daughter or son is ill, she can go to the clinic near her home with the confidence that she’ll both receive excellent care as well as pay minimal sums for their medication (the visit’s free)–about two bucks, if that. France ranks as having the best health outcomes in the world–not “one” of the best, but THE best, by the W.H.O.–because they are not in the habit of allowing sickness to continue in an individual or to spread throughout the population, and instead are in the cultural habit of taking proper care of themselves. Their maternal and child health outcomes are always among the best in the world, as well, but are abysmal here. The earlier you start with health, the better your chances are throughout your life. Instead, we’ve ignored our citizens’ health as a nation–and we are paying an ever increasing and cruel price for it. As with any unwell creature, it will take our culture time to heal itself from this mistreatment. And it will take more than one day to get signed up for some whose states have refused to cooperate with the administration about the details. (Many states who’d initially refused to “accept” ACA’s grants in some childish “I’ll do it MYSELF!” attitude are now realizing they’d much rather accept the grants after all, thank you very much.) There is ample information listed everywhere to help each state’s resident to call a number and speak with a person. All the same news outlets that informed of the health marketplaces beginning Oct. 1 also said it was going to be a busy beginning, and warned that it would have some glitches. It makes sense to just wait at least a week or two before trying again–after all, there’s no need for everyone to do it instantly, esp. since a few months have been allowed for it. But this whining, belly-aching, and tantrum-throwing is doing no one any good. We’d have done better to go with a Single Payer plan; but Republicans wouldn’t have anything at all like that. By incorporating their many various requests in the spirit of cooperation, the law was fashioned to have vastly more details than it had initially. This was done in many instances more to make the complexity of it confound and confuse the majority of people, so they could foster greater discontent with the new law in the hopes of getting rid of it. The European nations began their national health plans starting with the earliest version of what we call Social Security and Medicare when Germany began it in 1898. It was developed under Wilhelm I by the arch conservative Baron von Bismarck, and implemented under the even more conservative Wilhelm II. When Americans were suffering from the Depression and the Dust Bowl was dumping hundreds of thousands more from devastated farmlands into towns and cities, the wealthy became disgusted at having to always step over these waif-like bodies at the stoops of their homes and businesses. They elected FDR, who tasked his administration to find solutions–and by then, they saw the German plan had already had been highly successful for over a generation’s time. This was how we were able to address the problem of widows, orphans and elders having no income at all. (We also acquired our educational system’s basic concept from 18th century France.) We are a young nation, a mere few hundred centuries old, whereas other nations such as those in Europe have been around far longer. That is why they’d already arrived at these solutions generations before us. Their health outcomes are in the top dozen of nations, while our own barely reaches the top forty. Nothing on this planet comes for free, not for any living thing here. There are always costs for everything we do–that is an “absolute.” The price of those costs is the only “variable.” The change for the better won’t happen instantly, but it would never happen at all had we not started to address what has been a growing, serious problem–and the costs of health care only keep increasing, making this an unbearable cost for our nation’s people. If you want to drive a car, no one questions that they are required–by law–to drive an insured vehicle, because accidents happen. This is no different. There is no embarrassment to be had because that is the law, period, no more than you’d be embarrassed to take the tax deductions you’re allowed. A more understandable embarrassment, instead, would be to become a burden on others in one’s family or the greater community by becoming incapacitated for work because of one’s health caused merely from a lack of responsibility about it, tending to illnesses and conditions before they get more serious and more costly. It is understandable to have a lot of fears or apprehensions with any new and, thus unknown, situation. But once everyone has been given the opportunity to responsibly tend to their health–by being able to have affordable health care–it will lower their costs, benefit their health, and it will also benefit their families along with the entire country.

  • Camile Bush Howerton

    I’m not right or left, but I have to agree re: sustainability of our Health or retirement programs. It’s obvious from our Social Security (SS) program that SS isn’t sustainable with Congress/Senate managing funds.Social Security $ are spent for too many things outside retirement (pays for low-income families aid, Medicaid, Medicare, disabilities, death, etc), paying $ to people that don’t pay in to the SS Program. Simple math… it’s not sustainable because more is taken out than is put in to it. If managed by the Feds, it will happen again with funds raises/taxed being allocated to other Fed debts.rather than healthcare.Insurance companies have no incentive to lower premiums & reduce their profit with ACA not taxing or penalizing them for raising costs (or “not reducing premiums”). And the ACA exchanges are having many more problems than Medicare ever did… from data breaches, to errors in subsidies, to premium errors,to website crashes. They should have tested every site & waited until they had it working..Or even better they should have used the banking industries secure web apps rather than risking exposing our nations health data. Oh, if you’re in the “insurance” system under an employer, your data is sitting in the same Fed database on the exchange..so you’re at risk as well. Everyone’s health data, SSN, DOB was exposed..we are all at risk now.

  • Curious

    Thank you so much for your words of wisdom.

  • Curious

    Whew, you were right several postings ago Mr. Zealot! IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO GO! Freedom of speech is a fundamental right in this country.

  • Camile Bush Howerton

    Donna said “stay on topic” so… The glitches of the ACA exchanges roll-out include data breaches where insured & non-insured private data was exposed, errors in calculating premiums, errors in miscalculated subsidies, state & the Fed website crashing, database query/comparison of applicant’s insurance data ERRORS… it’s not a “glitch”, it’s a failed system of systems that was poorly developed & not tested prior to release. If it was a consumer product, such as a phone, we’d get our money back. LOL But, seriously, we paid over $2 Billion so far in Fed $=taxes & a heck of a lot more when you add up the states $funding. Oh, did I mention that all Americans data are in the database? Yes even if you’re with a company-provided plan, your data is in the exchange database…just in case you need it years from now. But don’t worry you’re protected by HIPPA. hahaha.

  • guest

    It would appear that it only took 2.8 million to crash the system. Some of the delays were due to high volume. About 2.8 million people
    visited the federal website HealthCare.gov since midnight, said Marilyn
    Tavenner, director of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.

    To expect 30 million and can’t handle less than 10% of that is not a good omen.

  • guest

    Your last rant shows you for the bigoted, hypocritical, lying fraud you are. You believe in freedom of speech except for everyone else who disagrees with you. I am sure your god is very proud of you. You have represented who he is extremely well. Freedom of stupidity and hate are fundamental rights you exploit to the maximum. Go home comrade, you do not belong in this country.

  • Curious

    I did not say you were not allowed to speak freely. I asked you to stop spewing your opinion, not facts and or opinions based on your radical concepts of what is or isn’t moral. Quite frankly, a long time ago when I was out fighting for a women’s right to have or not to have an abortion, I met a dozen or so nuts just like you. I am tired of listening to your wrath and would so appreciate it if you would shut your mouth and get over your self. It is a law and the Affordable Healthcare Act is a law and idiots like you need to understand it is a LAW OF THE LAND.

  • guest

    “I am tired of listening to your wrath and would so appreciate it if you would shut your mouth and get over your self.” Yet you believe in free speech? More vile lies from the mouth of the serpent. The nlaw of the land upheld by then Supreme court also included, women not being allowed to vote, so was Jim crowe, so was slavery. Just becasue you say it is OK does not make it so. The serpent has spoken and her vile filthy lies are exposed for the putrid words of the beast that they are. How wonderful, you fought for the right to kill the most innocent of God’s children that there are. Once again, your god is very proud of you.

  • Curious

    Oh how the joke is on you ProgressiveOasis and Guess….If you only knew who Donna Long is and who you are insulting. You two would poop your pants!

  • Virginia Lee

    You’re saying this as an older person who, perhaps, benefits from Medicare and Soc. Sec.–or who, I guess, will soon enough?
    You do comprehend that Social Security is not an entitlement, correct? Every worker pays into that program from the moment they begin working until the moment they stop working. That fund’s monies, in fact, often are used to shore up our budget.
    The bureaucrats are not in charge of the nuts and bolts–and this has been adequately communicated. Only those living in a darkened hinterland cave would be ignorant of this. Just as you see a doctor for your medical care today, you will see that same doctor for that medical care after this law is implemented,
    It is important to remember that this IS a law. It was passed by our Congress and signed into law, just the way all the other legislation’s procedures are followed–according to the Constitution. It is a law just as the Civil Rights Act is a law. Just as the Social Security Act is law. There may have been some challenges put forward to these, but the Supreme Court upheld them as Constitutional–just as it has done with this new health care law.
    Trying to keep misinforming or just plain lying about the facts of this law are unhelpful to everyone, yourself included. Removing this from the civility of mannerly discourse is also not helpful in furthering anyone’s point of view. What is needed here are facts. The fact of the matter in these early days is that there are going to be complicated snafus where web administration is concerned.
    These web administrators are not part of the bureaucracy, either, but are individual– just as is your doctor an individual who treats you as an individual. Surely you don’t imagine that, because he is part of the medical establishment–the largest, most powerful bureaucracy we have outside of the military–that you imagine him to be merely a “mindless bureaucrat,” do you? Of course not. An individual serves you, just as an individual in the huge grocery store chain serves you, or in a restaurant chain serves you.
    The problem here is that the established order is being challenged–and that order has some very key parts that are going to suffer because of it, primarily the financial aspects of it, and that is the insurance industry, who have fought the hardest against this law’s implementation at every possible juncture. They have failed, because they have a failing system they’ve put in play–one that they, themselves, made unaffordable for the golden goose they’d once had. This is what happens all the time with greed, eventually. All the other modern industrial states have gone this route long before we have. (In fact, we should’ve just gone the route they did from the start, which is what the Single Payer advocates had wanted–made up largely of physicians and those in the medical establishment, who best understand their patients’ needs in those terms. Single Payer eliminates the insurers as middleman entirely. Period. This has served the European nations remarkably well in three generations’ time, so it’s well tested by now. And these nations also have the highest health outcomes in the world as a result–according to the W.H.O. and a host of other agencies who gauge such matters.
    We cannot go this route because the insurers are an investment device–something that most Americans would not grasp easily because most Americans aren’t wealthy enough to be investors. The most they have invested is a pension plan–which is usually done by their retirement fund–and this is usually an option only with larger employers. IF more Americans were savvy about economics and investing, they’d understand that too many Boomers’ retirement funds are invested in that very health insurance industry–thus, to undercut it so quickly, at such a key time, would leave many Boomers at retirement’s door, but without the funds they’d been expecting, something we’d only just been through with the Bernie Madoff problem, so legislators were hardly eager to revisit that nightmare.
    What the average American understands about insurance is that they pay their premiums and then, they might need that policy to assist them one day when the need arises because of an accident, a fire, a broken leg, etc. But they don’t see their premium monies as investment tools for the wealthy, who are actually getting rich off of the sheer heft of those premiums sitting in the insurance company’s bank accounts. (Who would allow such sums to sit in a savings account, earning a measly one percent, when they could be doing some real power-lunching on those markets. The average American doesn’t see that kind of investment opportunity, not having those sums needed to make such investments.)
    THIS is why no one has bothered to explain this to the average American. It enters into the realm of economics and the world of high finance and, yawn, those average American workers are tired at the end of the work day. They want to tune out everything so they can fall asleep, get rested for the next day’s grind.
    Besides, it might have scared them, given that Madoff problem. That had only just died down. Legislators grasped this. It was a wrong-minded approach, but for the right reasons. You must always communicate.
    So, my advice here would be to stop with the digging in of the heels, because it’s unhelpful, and it’s contrary even to furthering your own interests. This is law. Period.
    The web sites will get their kinks worked out of them, and people will stop trying to get on instantly. So often early birds insist on pushing their way to the front of the line rather than either returning when the line has dissipated. Or, they could bide their time, getting IN the line, themselves. Many thousands of Americans have had exceedingly urgent medical needs, and it’s quite understandable that they’re eager to get this show on the road. So, let’s bring into this a share of compassion, and try to see this from the various individuals’ perspectives–because every single person involved in everything in this nation, in this world, is about an individual here, another one there, and so on.
    Many established doctors’ practices are unwilling change at this phase of their careers because they’ve made such substantial investments in the way the system works according to the established order of things up to this point. That is understandable. Many feel they’re a bit too long in the tooth to start anew. I can’t blame them for feeling that way. It means slowing things down to change to a new system, whatever that change might be caused by. Many are just retiring early rather than change. I know that if I, too, were in my mid 50s, I’d hate to have to spend a couple of years getting this new saddle broken in, with only eight more years of riding left. I’d far prefer to keep my old saddle, even though it might need some work, itself.
    So, from everyone’s perspective, this is going to be a chaotic time because all change means chaos. But we’ve managed far worse than this before–and for nothing quite as noble or large as this (outside of the bill that finally cared for our most helpless, when Social Security entered to save the day back in the 1930s). We need to move on and make this change, one we’ve long known we’ve needed, and for at least a full generation’s time now.
    We can do it like mature adults, or like whining brats who think they can bully the whole family into having a miserable dinner. We can each choose our roles in this.

  • Virginia Lee

    Yes, just as our “data” is in the IRS system when we do our taxes, or our bank accounts when we do online banking….

  • Virginia Lee

    No, Henny Penny, it is not. The sky is not falling. (Sheesh. Talk about your drama queens.)

  • Virginia Lee

    This comment reminds me of that great standard, “What if everybody did what you did, huh?” Well, frankly, not everyone does do the same thing at the same time–not with those instances from grade school, and not today, with this instance of what is obviously something that is meeting a very great need we’ve had for far too long. I am really amazed at how everyone here insists on the doom and gloom, expending their efforts in such senseless actions–when they could be a part of the solution rather than a part of the problem. Why you are letting your fears (or ignorance–both of which are just two elements that feed each other)–grab hold of your mind’s ability to think logically, or grab hold of your compassionate ability to walk to another window and look out of it…why do you insist on such unhelpful behavior for yourself as well as for others? That’s something to ponder within yourselves, I should think. Unless–are YOU a major insurer, or a major investor, who stands to lose something in this game where things are shifting from the standard economic model of the middleman gaining all the profits?

  • frustrated

    To Virginia Lee: Who is the my dear you are talking to?

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