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Healthy young, key to Obamacare, aren’t buying it

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Part 14 of 93 in the series Obamacare
YOUNG, WILD AND HEALTHY: The Affordable Care Act depends on healthy young people to subsidize others' care, but young people aren't buying it.

YOUNG, WILD AND HEALTHY: The Affordable Care Act depends on healthy young people to subsidize others’ care, but young people aren’t buying it.

By Kathryn Watson | Watchdog.org

Obamacare “only works … if young people show up.”

That’s from former President Bill Clinton in a recent MSNBC interview.

It’s why Obamacare supporters and government agencies are trying everything from sports advertising to video contests to get young people in the game.


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But will those millions of Millennials show up and sign up for health insurance under the Affordable Care Act?

A recent Reuters poll found Obamacare may not attract enough young people to keep costs low for others, despite a headline that asserts the opposite:  “Poll shows healthy young adults may keep Obamacare afloat.”

The conflict between headline and data represents a collision between the hopes of survey respondents and economic logic.

The poll found that a little more than a third of young adults in its survey had tried and failed to purchase health insurance in the past. It also found that a third hoped to be able to buy health insurance now.

Reuters figured if just half of them do so, “the White House would easily meet its goal of getting 2.7 million young adults — out of about 16 million uninsured 19-to-29-year-olds —  to buy Obamacare insurance for 2014.”

This group couldn’t afford health insurance before, and Reuters never bothers to explain how they’ll afford it when it gets more expensive.

Monthly premiums under Obamacare will go up for young people in all 50 states, according to a study released Thursday by the center-right American Action Forum. Premiums will average more than $187 per month in 2014, up from $62 per month in 2013, a 202 percent increase, the study said.

Several Millennials told us why they won’t bother to sign up.

“An entire generation is being turned into a part-time workforce” because of Obamacare, said 22-year-old Patrick Richardson, a senior at the University of Toledo in Ohio who considers himself fortunate to have health insurance through his employer.

“When you do the math, it’s cheaper to pay the penalty, but that’s not the way the system was designed. It counts on young people enrolling, but young people don’t want any part of it,” he said.

Several people said they would rather cough up the $95 penalty in the first year for being uninsured than pay hundreds  of dollars each month in premiums for Obamacare.

“If we weren’t covered on our parents’ health insurance, my friends and I would pay the fine rather than pay for the higher cost of health insurance,” said Keith Leslie, a 23-year-old graduate student at Florida State University in Tallahassee still covered by his parents’ health plan.

The penalty for not buying insurance jumps to $700 in 2016.

“In order to offset the high costs associated with insuring the elderly, premiums for the healthiest segment of enrollees, those between the ages of 18 and 49, will need to increase,” the American Action Forum study found.

But with those kinds of health-care costs, 23-year-old Joshua Trujeque, a senior at the University of New Mexico, says risking going uninsured seems the best option.

“That’s why I’m very careful,” Trujeque said with a laugh.

Paul Winfree, a former policy analyst at the Heritage Foundation, did a video explaining some of the problems young people face in the new age of Obamacare.


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But the biggest concern for Millennials is the unknown.

“There’s a disconnect right now. I’ve talked with quite a few young entrepreneurs, and everybody is feeling the same way,” said Brooke Parish, director of the Pulse, the Young Professionals Network in Appleton, Wis., which serves some 200 young professionals in the region.

“We don’t know enough about it,” she said.

“For me personally, I’m concerned about how much my costs are going to go up,” Parish said. “Am I going to have to pay more?”

Editor’s note: This article has been updated to further explain the Reuter’s poll.

— Kathryn Watson is an investigative reporter with Watchdog.org’s Virginia Bureau, and can be reached at katie@watchdogvirginia.org, or at (571) 385-0773. Will Patrick, Matt Kittle, Chris Butler and Maggie Thurber contributed to this report.

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  • Anon

    This article is a joke! How can the apparent “survey” taken be seen as legitimate? “According to our small sampling” and “Several people said”… what does that mean, exactly?

  • michellenj

    The enrollment stats will tell the story in the end. Either the policies will be purchased or not, and that will end the debate over the survey results. Here’s the problem, you can get insurance after you get sick, although you may have to wait until the next enrollment period. And the 2016 penalty of $700/year amounts to $60/month in round figures. The policy average quoted here of $187, amounts to $2240 per year approx. 3x the penalty. So it is a question of if they feel their risk of becoming ill or suffering injury offsets the cost.

  • Bteri

    Obama’s own policies are his own worst enemy regarding young enrollment in Obamacare. With horrific young worker unemployment numbers, most are going to pay the $95 and get insurance if they get sick -

  • Lou

    Anon: So you are a Navigator, or just stupid?

  • GB

    Not only the cost for a bronze plan, but the high deductible is there. So 187×12=2244 + $6,000 = 8,244 costs before insurance kicks in.

    Of course, Obama could always send the shirkers a personal message to “exhort” them to “Move Forward” in the cause and just pay the “tax”.

    And that will be easy because …. he knows who they are, where they are, who they’ve been talking to, how much they make, where they spend their money … yes, he really knows the people who voted for him.

    And now … they will know how much their votes really cost.

  • rodstew

    Means as much as any poll means; obviously you are not aware of how polls are taken. The real poll is that MORE THAN HALF of Americans don’t want obamacare…..that’s liberal, conservative, etc., polls.

  • EpicMale

    As usual, libs are mathematically challenged. They couldn’t add up the numbers for Social Security, or Medicare, or Medicaid, or obamascare. Worse, none of them actually READ the bill before or after it was passed. They are touting it as ‘good’ merely out of messianic faith! Well, if you dance with the devil, you will get burned!
    BTW, once you sign up on line, the government has ALL your personal information centralized. They have all your previous health care info, your bank and financial info (they want the account numbers!), your property info…. I swear, they will rip a nursing infant from mother’s breast in order to collect their ‘share’ of the milk!

  • sebastian

    For sure ^ nobody wants this. And especially the healthy people that will need to be in the system for it to work aren’t going to want it. Why would they? I have to pay the same as someone who frequents hospitals when i havent been to one in 15 years? I don’t think so. Remove the interstate regulation of health insurance and open it up to the market. Too late now though.

  • thegreatpacwest

    Great post! With your sentiment expressed, you should have about 1000 “likes” by now. People need to wake up. More than that…become INVESTED in the saving of our country. If all one can give is a “like,” then so be it. But at least let it be a start. This post represents the message than many of us are feeling, yet MOST of us share.
    Thanks.

  • Kyle

    I can only speak for myself. I’m 29 and uninsured and there is absolutely no chance of me signing up. I’m active, eat decent, and don’t ride a motorcycle or take other silly risks. Why would a pay for something that I will almost certainly not use? No thanks, I’ll take my chances.

  • Ty

    One of the things that obamacare counted on so much was that young people would have jobs ( don’t ) and would have money ( don’t ). Too many are still living under mom and dads purse strings due to the lousy economy or simply that they have been coddled too long and don’t have any concept of financial responsibility. The major flaw of the Millennial generation which wasn’t taken into account.

  • Elmer_Fudd2

    Since those that supported Obama are the young, single women, bIacks, Hispanics, and undereducated white males, they should be the ones that suffer the greatest consequences for not educating themselves before voting for him. You voted for it now enjoy it.

  • EpicMale

    Thank you. I think the ground swell will develop into a tsunami for 2014. Right now obama is trying to panic seniors by threatening their SS checks. If he refuses to negotiate or compromise in the least bit, he will, thankfully, destroy all his remaining political capital!
    I just hope I outlive him and that he gets buried where I can visit. I have a weak bladder.

  • Missy Youtoo

    If you do NOT want to sign up for obamacare, DON”T. There is no penalty for not paying the penalty for not signing up. Check this part of the obamacare law.

    (Obamacare) ACA law specifically states that those who do NOT PAY the penalty “shall NOT be subject to any criminal prosecution.

  • Ty

    Or one could say that the Millennials allegiance to Obama only goes so far as it’s pocketbooks. All of the social nonsense they love so much hasn’t cost them anything and has been paid for by allowing them to feel good about themselves. Now that they actually have to pay for something their support is gone. Welcome to the real world kids; where things actually cost money and people have to pay for things.

  • Man-made Global Warming Denier

    The reality is that the Giants may beat the Eagles this weekend; imagine the impact on obamacare if that happens….sheesh!?

  • Missy Youtoo

    Ted Cruz is a better orator than obama or anyone in congress. If you listen to everyone else in congress, they would be considered less than able to speak effectively with intelligent purpose.

  • Un HappyCust

    Easy fix. Raise the penalty higher then the median rate for that person’s demographics. Don’t buy insurance at $4K per year the penalty will cost you $5K per year. Once it’s cheaper to buy insurance everyone will buy insurance. We can all relax knowing we are saving the world. The same folks who voted for the Emperor and his promises should be all about paying for it. Remember: Forward!

  • Missy Youtoo

    Senator Barbara Nilkulski what a blow bag she is. How did Maryland vote this woman into office. Democrats, almost everyone in the senate is throwing a tantrum. Shouting like children and that is a tantrum.

  • Missy Youtoo

    Democrats are a danger to all Americans as they steal by legislation from every American to bolster their coffers for funding garbage and pet projects.

  • Un HappyCust

    The important word is *criminal*. The IR S mostly handles civil prosecution. They can garnish wages, put a lien on your property and otherwise harass you forever. In civil court (especially tax court) you are guilty until you prove yourself innocent. Protections of the Constitution speak to criminal behaviour. This implies the I RS will obey the Constitution.

  • craigmk1974

    Now that people are finding out that ObamaCare isn’t free, they don’t want any part of it.

  • Dennis Bednarek

    This is the trend that has caused health insurance to sky rocket in the last 30 years. If the healthy do not take it then the older Americans end up using a larger part of the pie causing everyone’s rates to go up.

    the rate structure needs to changed for these policies. If you start taking insurance at age $25 for lifetime rate is $100 per month, if you wait till age 35 it becomes $133 per month, at age 45 it becomes $200 per month, at age 55 it becomes $400 per month. The only adjustment to these rates can be for inflation.

    If you do not take it the fine is 60% of what your premium would be every month. So at age 86 everyone invested the same amount of money into heath insurance but the sooner you start the less it hits you at any one given time. Also the longer you wait the harder it will eventually hit you because the penalties will slowly grow, and you get nothing for them in return.

    Yes changes to the law should be made. But it so much better than the nothing we had before that it cannot be repealed.

  • Thasic

    I live in Maryland and I have been tr5ying to vote her out of office for years. To many morons, moochers and leeches in ‘California-of-the-East-Coast’ as I like to refer to my wonderful state…

  • gary bauer

    I heard the liberal states inflated the amount of hits NY said they had 5 million hits Monday only had 65000.Today some of the results from the first 4 days are slowly leaking out.North Carolina had 1 sign up.Kentucky had the most at 3000.A far cry from 7 million healthy people These are the unhealthy people who have pre exiting conditions and need insurance now.Without young people signing up the whole scam falls apart or premiums sky rocket

  • rgeiken

    The 2014 elections can go a long way toward correcting today’s problems. Young people without many ailments were content to purchase catastrophic coverage and take care of their day to day medical needs by paying cash. Forcing a Cadillac Health plan on everyone is like trying to force everyone to buy a Cadillac Car. I have had a few used Cadillac’s and while they were good cars, I did not buy them new because of the cost. I guess no one in the Obama Administration has to contend with things like that and that is why they have implemented ACA. If enough people are unsatisfied, we can probably do something in the years ahead. If you had a spouse and they refused to negotiate, you would likely get a divorce, but unfortunately you cannot get a divorce from Obama right now. I wonder how the Obama Administration will be rated in the years ahead. Probably high by the Democrats, but very low by Republicans. Wonder what the independent historians will think. Read some stories on the current Grecian experience. It is not a happy time for most of the people living there right now due to lack of proper Financial Governance.

  • Elizabeth

    I did some research to see how much this was going to cost me (to cover my son). He’s 27. Currently I pay $79 per month. A comparable plan for him is $239.
    This is quite a rip-off. Why should he (or I, for that matter, but I love him and he can’t afford this right now) pay this? Obama lied.

  • Edony

    ps. The government has ALL of that information on you NOW stupid. The IRS has your bank account numbers, the Homeland Security has everything else as well, and the NSA is in there too. If you are a school teacher your fingerprints are with the FBI. What’s left?? Believe me, your Social Security number is known to the government and therefore, so are you. Think about it!!!

  • Edony

    Nowhere in the world is health care free!!

  • Scott Page

    Um, you dont know how the IRS works do you? First, no one can be thrown in jail for not paying taxes. You can be put in jail for fraud or evasion but not paying is not a criminal offense anyway.

    However, once you owe back taxes or an IRS fine, any property you own can have a lien put on it, bank accounts can be frozen and paychecks can be garnished (even federal paychecks for taxes!)

    So, no, you will not go to jail, but if you own a house or have a job or a retirement fund, then the IRS will get their money!

  • Scott Page

    THANK YOU! I had to argue that with my british friend when I lived in London…lol! All he kept saying was ‘yeah but we have free health care’. I would quickly point out that they pay 17.5% sales tax on everything (except food I believe and they call it VAT, value added tax), have taxes for being allowed to live in a specific area (a council tax, would be equivalent of a county or city tax and this is in addition to any property taxes), which is a flat rate ($2500 per person in the household where I lived in Brent council), a tv license tax (applied to even the over the air broadcasts (equivalent to our abc, cbs, nbc), and several other taxes outside of income tax. When it is all said and done, the direct and indirect taxes added up to approximately 53% of his pay and 55% of mine if I had to actually pay all of them ( I was excluded from the council tax…thank goodness!) Still, the other indirect taxes added up to approx 23% of my income. Yep, its free alright!

  • lou

    The problems is that if the Democrats stay in control, the premiums won’t go up, it will be a taxpayer bail-out while Obama enjoys his retirement in Hawaii or some socialist country.

  • Doug P.

    This is actually humorous. Big O for sure does NOT get elected in 2008 without the Millenials voting for him by an overwhelming majority. He (Big O.), said he was going to do this (Health Care Reform) and he did. Fast forward to 2012 when we ALL had the chance to repeal this slow moving train wreck and millenials again overwhelmingly voted to re-elec the President. Now, when it’s time for millenials to ante up for the ‘Change’ they voted for, their response is to run the other way because of ‘pocketbook’ issues. Sounds like an entire generation wants to be ‘one-percenters’!

  • dougp59

    ps. On day 5 of Obamacare I still cannot login to healthcare.gov to compare rates with what I am paying now.

  • In crowd

    I work for the government all the info they have on you is not in one location; and the software is not compatible. This would allow all that info in one location, therefore making easier for them to seize whatever the hell they want from you at any given time.

  • notjoedirt

    Wait, are you saying health insurance should be modeled after life insurance? Why would anyone want to do something that has a proven track record of success.
    I am not sure it is that simple, but I like the way you think.

  • neiman1

    Forget about the premiums for a moment and look at the miserable benefits. The cheap plans require $5,000 a year in deductible and only pay 60% of the costs. That means after paying 200% higher premiums you will pay another $500 a month in costs. Copays don’t count toward deductibles and they are $50 per doctor’s visit. This isn’t insurance, this is just a mill.

  • e135800

    I can only laugh at the young sheep who fell for this guy twice. Gotcha! LOL. You get what you wanted. Part time jobs and expensive coverage. Good for you.

  • Vette66

    Why should they, it’s cheaper to pay the BOcare tax. Wait, they may not get a tax refund so the IRS can’t take money from them, still no BOcare tax payment to BO.

  • Mike

    Uh…you may want to click on the link to the actual survey results. Reuters’ own headline for it is “Insight: Poll shows healthy young adults may keep Obamacare afloat”. It shows 50% support for the bill from the key demo, and “One-third of young adults in the poll said they are “very” or “somewhat” likely to buy insurance through their state’s exchange.” That’s a pretty solid number. The estimate is that they just need about 2.7M young and healthy to maintain a proper balance. There are about 19M uninsured in the demo – so, really they only need about a 15% enrollment rate. This survey, then, shows that they may get twice what they need to make it work.

  • Dave

    You just had to call him “stupid”?

  • Stormrdr

    Even after they get insurance, they’re still going to be out of pocket $6000 before insurance covers the first band-aid, they might not sign up even then. They’re going to have to be staring at a substantial (as in $20K+) medical bill before they’re willing to commit to $10k/year in premiums and deductibles.
    And this is also assuming that an alternate healthcare system doesn’t develop in the mean time. There’s already a number of enterprising medical professionals that are looking at “healthcare clubs” and other ideas to find more affordable means of obtaining healthcare.

  • Dave

    Don’t purchase the insurance until you need it. By law, they can’t refuse to provide you coverage for pre-existing conditions.

  • Stormrdr

    Actually, libs just use different math than the rest of us. They rarely concern themselves on whether or not a program’s rates are cost-effective. After all, whatever they don’t charge us for now, they can always tax us for later.

  • Mike

    There is also an open enrollment period to avoid that sort of thing. Just don’t get hit by a bus between March and October!

  • Lqlax87

    I’m young and can attest to the 200% increase in premiums from 2014 to a few years ago (2010)

    A $70 a month plan now costs $220.

    Bottom line is that is not a good thing for my finances and coverage options.

  • Campbell_Glass

    “Support” for the bill is not the same as buying the insurance. I’m for less crime, but I ain’t going to become a cop.

    Furthermore, ONE-THIRD said they’re “very” or “somewhat” likely to buy insurance, and that’s a “solid number.” BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    Here, look, let me help, since you’re clearly too slow to get it. I’m very or somewhat likely to buy a Lamborghini. Until I see the price tag. And then I’m very NOT likely to buy it.

    Betcha can’t guess what’s about to happen to ObamaCare.

  • Campbell_Glass

    Let’s make sure we ALWAYS refer to it as the Obama tax, so that these mushy-headed little morons know who’s socking it to ‘em every April 15th.

    Or, better yet, the Obama Demo-tax. Yeah, the Obama Demo-tax. So they know why they’re getting charged $700 a year.

  • Campbell_Glass

    Also, considering the huge deductible and the premiums for youths, this is more accurately called a Ponzi scheme, whereby they take from the young and give to the old and those with pre-existing conditions.

    Hope you liked that turnout in 2008 and 2012 for Obama, college kids, ’cause it’s SURE about to cost you!

  • Mark S

    Because when some idiot runs a red light and send you to the ER, or when you discover that you have cancer or something, the medical costs will bankrupt you.

  • Campbell_Glass

    But … but … but … I thought that healthcare was a RIGHT. More importantly, I thought it was FREE! What happened to FREE?!?!?!

    LOL! Remember when conservatives said, yeah, you can only take from the rich so long before you’ve got to turn to the middle class.

    Hey, College Geniuses, guess whose burger-flipping job just turned them into the middle class to be sucked dry by old people, sick people and illegal aliens! Booyah! Choke on it!

  • Stormrdr

    It’s a more basic failing than that. Young people, especially the Mellinnial generation, are much more narcissistic than they are altruistic. Obama’s entire plan banks on these narcissistic young people to willingly throw away between 1/6 & 1/3 of their paycheck to pay someone else’s medical bills.
    You don’t find that much giving in a church-house, much less from the me-generation. Look at the laughable attempts at altruistic economy the “occupy” crowd attempted.

  • keonigohan

    “You have to pass the bill before you find out what’s in it..away from the fog.” Nancy Pelosi DINGBAT

  • Campbell_Glass

    But … but … but … I only liking taking from some to give to others when I’m the “others” and you’re the “some.” Taking from college kids? That wasn’t what we hoped and changed for!

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! How ya like DEM apples!

  • Edony

    Then you will need Affordable Health Care to be able to qualify for subsidised Depends. BTW I don’t think you will outlive the president if you have a weak bladder.

  • Campbell_Glass

    Hear, hear!

  • Stormrdr

    “Socialism works just fine until you run out of other people’s money.”

  • Campbell_Glass

    Yeah. And then you file for bankruptcy and it all goes away. Sure, your credit is wrecked for seven years, but so what? All those bills are gone. And you get to keep your vehicle and you get to keep working. And all those bills are gone, gone, gone.

  • Zachary McClung

    Are you listening to yourself? With the $12k a year deductible, the $3,600 per year premium and the high copays, you’ll end up bankrupt either way.

    That is in 2014, just wait until 2016 when instead of being short 20,000 doctors we are 52,000 doctors short, health care cost have soared and so have premiums.

    That $3,600 per year will turn into $7,000 per year and the $12k will turn into $24k. You clearly don’t get economics.

  • Stormrdr

    By law, a hospital ER still cannot refuse service, even with ObamaCare in play. So, if I survive, they can bill me. If I don’t it really doesn’t matter too much how much insurance I had, does it?

  • Campbell_Glass

    But … but … but … that’s your patriotic duty, to pay for something that you don’t need in order to prop up some more handouts for the old and sick and illegal aliens! Don’t you see that?!?!?

  • rhino

    Well, All the morons that voted for this Islamic Kenyan community organizer deserve whatever they get. Unfortunately the rest of us have to suffer the same fate. Well, he promised change and now you have it. I hope the Republicans keep the government shut down. I haven’t got anything good from them the last 56 years and don’t expect anything worth having for the next 56 years. If I were a liveral Democrat I would just shoot myself for being stupid. Oh, but then I wouldn’t have a gun to do that. Guess I would have to steal one from someone who works for a living.

  • Campbell_Glass

    Hear, hear!

  • Campbell_Glass

    Here’s a crazy notion. Let people take care of themselves, or depend on the CHARITY of others to help them. Don’t force hospitals to take loser dirt bags without insurance. Let a CHARITY hospital do that work.

    And THEN we don’t have to FORCE anybody to do anything.

  • Stormrdr

    There’s a reason they didn’t set the penalties more expensive than the insurance. If you can’t afford the insurance, you sure can’t afford a more expensive penalty. And the last think that the Dems want is to have a bunch of low-income voters with an IRS bill and a bone to pick when they head to a voting booth.

  • franklovesfl1

    And you think the House will agreed to that?????

  • LexDave

    As one person said, “PLEASE, Millenials! — Please sign up for ObamaCare so we can overcharge you! After all, some one has to pay for everyone else’s free healthcare!”

  • Mike

    When you only need 14.2%, a third is plenty. I don’t think I’m the one fooling myself on the numbers. You seem to still be living in the land of Romney landslides.

  • LexDave

    ObamaCare hopes that Millenials will sign up so they can be overcharged.
    Remember the saying, “If you’re not a liberal when you’re 20, you have no heart. If you’re not a conservative when you’re 30, you have no brain.” Millennial education in liberal theology (PoliSci 666) is beginning shortly.

  • AL252

    What a terrible article. It’s day 3. A bit early to claim people “Aren’t buying it”.

  • AL252

    It’s not free you nitwit. We already have that anyway. You ever hear of Medicaid?

  • DISQUS

    she can sign up then. Nobody will be denied. DO NOT FALL INTO THE TRAP! IT IS NOT AFFORDABLE!

  • Skyjumper

    You all forgot, you can now buy insurance even if you have a preexisting condition. If someone ends up int eh ER or with cancer, they can sign up for insurance then. When their treatment is done, they can drop it.

    This is a much better option then going bankrupt.

  • DISQUS

    and don’t forget insurance only pays 60% of the bill. You have to cough up the rest.

  • Skyjumper

    This is why it didn’t kick in until after Obama’s second election!

  • Skyjumper

    Regardless of whether your assessment of today’s youth is accurate, it is unreasonable to expect anyone to pay 1/6 to 1/3 of their income to support other people.

    And that’s just Obamacare. remember also that SSI is also just a big wealth transfer program, in which dollars go from young people paying mortgages, student loans and child care expenses to older people who have paid off houses, paid off loans and no at home children to fund.

    More and more, we’re robbing our kids to pay our bills. My daughter just started college, and I don;t want her saddled with our bills on top of her own when she graduates.

  • Beangrinder

    Young people do NOT have to pay the penalty. The ACA states that the only way the IRS can force this payment is taking it from any tax refund you have coming. Simple solution is to adjust your federal withholding so that you won’t have a tax refund at the end of the year. The ACA also says that although your tax form will ask you to enter your healthcare information, they can’t force you to do that, either. In addition, the IRS cannot fine you for any of these tactics, nor can they seize assets, levy bank accounts or prosecute you. PLEASE pass this info around, and you can verify these facts by simple searches on the subject.

  • Michael Morton

    Pay 100′s a month for healthcare… and work less than 30/hours a week? Yeah, right. What kind of fool thought this up?

  • Charles Batchelor

    They’ll bankrupt him anyway so why start sooner then needed.

  • Michael Morton

    When you can’t take from the RICH to pay for someone else’s health care, take for the twentyfive-somethings, to pay for someone else’s healthcare. You all know we’re talking about providing healthcare to druggies, whores and gangsters, right?

  • Charles Batchelor

    Well not his vehicle, remember it’s wreaked just like his finances, only difference is he got to use both for longer then under Obamacare.

  • Beangrinder

    Don’t pay the penalty, either. They can’t make you if you don’t have a tax refund coming. Just make sure you change your federal withholding to ensure that doesn’t happen. ACA says the IRS cannot force you to pay, nor can they fine you, seize assets or prosecute you.

  • Charles Batchelor

    Still doesn’t change the fact that it’s cost more then what I make.

  • Mick

    You are mistaken, there are only certain times you enroll in Obamacare or any other type of insurance. It either takes a qualifying event (switching jobs, getting fired) or each year you have a 30-60 enrollment period.. If you go to the ER with no insurance, you CANNOT SIGN then.

  • Kevin Timmons

    Missy, you get it!~

  • Charles Batchelor

    They have never had to pay for Health care for quiet sometime, that’s their problem.

  • Kevin Timmons

    They are emulating Obama.

  • Beangrinder

    The penalty isn’t enforceable. Read the bill regarding the penalty and what the IRS is NOT able to do to collect it! You do NOT have to pay it.
    Also, when you buy the kind of insurance that OBAMACARE will accept, your premium will also be paying for prenatal care, abortion, birthcontrol, etc…….even if you are an 80 year old woman…..or a man for that matter!

  • Charles Batchelor

    Obamacare Tax or The Affordable Healthcare Tax

  • Kevin Timmons

    Buyers remorse? Shouldn’t have voted for him!

  • Kevin Timmons

    Vote for Joe Biden next, he has some great ideas too!!!

  • Kevin Timmons

    They are higher now!! No need to compare!

  • Kevin Timmons

    They won’t and have proven it beyond a shadow of a doubt.

  • Kevin Timmons

    Dingbats are far smarter than this evil bitch!!

  • Darrin Weis

    Fuck Obama

  • Kevin Timmons

    I don’t know about the survey but I can tell you voted for him and are now disappointed. You got what you deserved for not checking this socialist out before your trip to the polls. Hope it really sucks for you! I voted for the other guy both times to avoid all of this. Better the beast you know than Obama, he is a shadow who’s origin is even in doubt.

  • Darrin Weis

    Screw Obama

  • Darrin Weis

    Suck Obama

  • Darrin Weis

    Okay I feel better LOL

  • ricardoh

    This is a case of the government stinging it self. Which in turn means we will all be into this abortion for more yenom.

  • Missy Youtoo

    Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act: The Secretary [of Health and Human Services] shall not file notice of lien with respect to any property of a taxpayer by reason of any failure to pay the penalty imposed by this section … or levy on any such property with respect to such failure.

    This covers that aspect of the ACA law of what can and can NOT be done if no purchase of insurance ACA or paying the penalty. They can only take, maybe, from any future tax refunds.

    Way to solve future refunds is to claim exemptions greater on your W-4 forms that would cause you to pay your taxes at the end of the year. IRS does NOT pay interest to you on refunds so why let them have YOUR money put it in the bank and at least get some interest no matter how meager it may be.

  • AKRobertson

    LOL!!!

  • Missy Youtoo

    Patient Protection and
    Affordable Care Act: The Secretary [of Health and Human Services] shall not file notice of lien with respect to any property of a taxpayer by reason of any failure to pay the penalty imposed by this section … or levy on any such property with respect to such failure and there’s no ability to levy a bank account or do seizures, some of the other tools.

    This covers that aspect of the ACA law of what can and can NOT be done if no purchase of insurance ACA or paying the penalty. They can only take, maybe, from any future tax refunds.

    Way to solve future refunds is to claim exemptions greater on your W-4 forms that would cause you to pay what you owe on income on your taxes at the end of the year. IRS does NOT pay interest to you on refunds so why let them have YOUR money put it in the bank and at least get some interest no matter how meager it may be.

  • Guilford King

    It’s just another tax to pay for the unemployed Liberal voting base and to keep them supplied with stuff on the working class back. That’s it. The coverage will more than suck unless you are willing to spend every dime you have on insurance. It’s not affordable. No one read it before they passed it. It’s a law no one read. Do what the drug addicts and illegals and the street gang people do when they get sick or get shot. You pay for it.Go to the emergency room when you get ill and then don’t pay the bill. No one can afford this new health care, and wait until all the religious and Union exemptions take place. There won’t be exemptions for Christians, but guess who will get them? This will totally destroy the working class, but I don’t think the Dems care.

  • AKRobertson

    Yeah but Obama can still have you audited by the IRS if you diss him loud enough.

  • rgeiken

    The real point of my post was that young people could get more affordable health care in the past by selecting Major Medical only. Now they are being forced into getting coverage that they don’t want and need. People by car insurance policies based on what they need and it is not a one size fits all. How does the comment never had to pay for health care fit into the reasoning about the comment. For someone that has been on a parents plan, you are right that now they have to buy their own or get it with an employer, but previously they had options that were selected by them. Now the options are decided by the Federal Bureaucracy and that may not fill their wants and needs. If the government said that you have to have insurance, I can understand that. I was looking at one web site and for a 60 year old in certain states, the subsidy on their plan could total $500. That is $6000 a year. After looking at it, your post doesn’t say anything that I can make any sense out of.

  • EpicMale

    It was a joke, you twit. I was saying that I will piss on his grave! NOW do you get it? LOL….

  • EpicMale

    No, you know little about how the government works. There are data bases that are private, which they wish to incorporate. For instance, HIPPA locks up patient/doctor data so that it is PRIVATE. But obamascare rips that privacy law to shreds.
    Banking and financial information is PRIVATE, unless a prosecutor or agency can prove probable cause to a judge. Get it?
    Sheesh….
    Besides, there are dozens of ways people avoid being 100% exposed in their personal and financial lives to the gubmint.

  • EpicMale

    These figures are just in: For 2015, the median income earners will be paying an ADDITIONAL 10% of their income for ‘affordable’ healthcare. In other words, their old healthcare will be less effective, but they will be paying an additional 10% of their income for it.
    The average family out there is living right on the edge of solvency. It appears that obama has planned a way to bankrupt millions of working people.

  • Charles Batchelor

    Your right, for clarification: Congress and the Administration have never had to pay for Health care for quiet sometime, that’s their problem – They are removed from the realities of having to find a way to pay for mandated crape. Does that help?

  • Edony

    Now you really show your ignorance. Why would anyone do that to anyone’s grave? Let’s keep this at least civilised and not into the toilet as most of you like to be.

  • Edony

    IRS has ALL your banking info. Or didn’t you know that? There is no such thing as PRIVATE in this country with NSA who hear all your calls, or read ALL your emails. Where have you been? In the woods hunting possum?

  • EpicMale

    No, once again you expose your ignorance. I used a humorous way to express the thought…..WHOOSH…right over your head. Then when I explain it to you, you think I mean it literally! WHOOSH! Again, right over your head. This is a very old way to indicate a high level of contempt for the target. (Did I just hear another WHOOSH!?)

  • Seen It happen

    In all fairness not many people that get into a major car accident see it coming; especially if they are safe drivers. My friend didn’t when a drunk driver ran a light and hit them. over 200k in hospital bills…. just saying.

  • Edony

    Unfortunately you are too obvious. It is difficult to talk to a bigot. I choose not to listen to it. You aren’t over my head, you are even close to my being, Humour is not something you are privvy to.

  • Your Delusional

    And they say liberals can’t do math. thanks for proving that stupidity knows no party bounds.

  • Edony

    FOX NEWS RHETORIC!

  • Stormrdr

    You also forget that, thanks to the high deductibles for the ‘cheap’ plans, it’s entirely likely you’ll qualify for a life changing event. After all, if you’re someone expected to be on ocare, by the time you’ve met your deductible, you’d have likely missed enough work that they’ve let you go. After all, if your job is no longer offering healthcare, they’re probably not offering disability insurance or extensive vacation time either.

  • Stormrdr

    Which is yet another reason why it doesn’t make sense to pay the rate. After all, why pay around $300/mo, when you’ll still be paying $6000 + 60%? And this is for folks making on average way less than $50k/yr.

  • EpicMale

    Bigot? Sonny, you don’t even know what color I am. But I know I’ve won the debate when those without the intellectual capability to discuss something begin to hurl accusations of racism. Sorry, but you libs have worn that card out, ESPECIALLY when you use it against someone of unidentified color! LOL… You crack me up!

  • EpicMale

    Uhhh…nooooo….the IRS does NOT have all one’s banking info, unless there is an audit instituted. You don’t know much about either financial law or the constitution, do you? Now if I have a bank transaction of greater than $5,000, and the bank believes it is suspicious, then they will do an SAR (Suspicious Activity Report). If I have any bank transaction of greater than $10,000, then the bank is required to add that account to their (Currency Transaction Report).
    My essential emails are encrypted. Of course many people send incredibly compromising information via unprotected email accounts.
    You must not be able to crunch the numbers. Our intelligence services have sort of a problem with a gazillion kids texting and talking constantly on their phones. LOL… They just don’t have enough people to review all the material! Do the math! How many people can you personally handle if you review all their emails and all their phone calls? Guess what…that would take at least a million people. Now, out of that million, how many are going to recognize factors that need to have a supervisor alerted? oops…we better hire another million supervisors!
    Years ago, there was software called Carnivore that the FBI and other agencies tried to use. It could detect some key words on international calls. The words ‘cocaine’, ‘blow’, ‘snow’, and all the other code words for cocaine were recognized by the software, and a human was notified to listen to the recorded conversation. It had very little impact upon the cocaine industry, even when linked up to a monster Cray computer.
    You can collect the data, but you have to be able to use it. The obamadrones seem to think that being able to tweet and call for astroturfing with an email list is somehow handling data. LOL… NOT!

  • EpicMale

    I’m saddened that you don’t know the reality of what is going on right under your nose. Or are you a Soros robot paid to just disrupt adult conversations? Your intellect is quite stunning.

  • EpicMale

    I just noticed that all your up votes are ‘guests’! LOL… You are one busy little beaver, are you not? LOL…

  • jon wisby

    you seem to feel bigot means racist, guilt?

  • Gnarly Steve

    I like the line from “Atlas Shrugged” regarding what will happen when the Takers use up the last of the Makers: “Let the bastards freeze and starve in the dark”.

  • EpicMale

    No guilt at all. Libs tend to use the terms interchangeably, so that is how I’ve come to react the same to either.
    Go back to the beginning, it was this yoyo that started picking at me with HIS smug superiority. One shouldn’t do that, if they are so poorly equipped to evaluate and judge the speech of others.

  • jon wisby

    More name calling and insults, it is guilt; why don’t you admit it?

  • Edony

    If you marry and have children THEN you will realise the importance of health care and then you may have to pay huge sums because you didn’t sign up when the price was reasonable. The longer you wait to sign up, the higher the monthly fee. I only hope you NEVER get cancer or any other kind of illness. These can happen suddenly and you would be without health care at a reasonable rate. Think about it. You don’t last forever, everyone dies eventually and at different ages.

  • Edony

    You cannot declare bankruptcy for IRS monies owed or, Student loans so I am presuming you will not be able to do it for health care costs you have incurred.

  • Edony

    You cannot sign up later when you become ill or have a catastrophic disease as the premiums will have got up so much because you didn’t sign up when they were low. It is $100 a month for life if you sign up at the beginning and the longer you wait to sign up, the higher premiums you will pay per month. LOOK IT UP! This is not a whimsical signing up program.

  • EpicMale

    Again, your brother started it. His first post to me was to call me stupid. Typical liberals…you start calling people names, then when it is hurled back all we hear is whining and calls for MOMMY! LOL…
    What’s wrong? He can’t carry his own water? His contentions were exposed as BS. Or are you his alternate ID. After all, you suddenly appear after I point out that all his up votes were by ‘guests’. LOL… Yeah! That’s the ticket! You ARE Edony! ROTFLMSAO!!!!

  • Stormrdr

    Now that’s an interesting claim. I have not once read in the literature anywhere that the rate you sign up for will be a lifetime lock. I have a hard time believing that insurance companies would do that, since they are always having to adjust rates to account for costs.

    And, by the way, just where have you seen even one of these plans priced at $100/mo?

    Sounds like you’re listening to some seriously suspect sources, pal.

  • Stormrdr

    Understood. But here’s the hole in the ‘ran the red light’ argument. Auto accidents are handled by auto insurance first, and health insurance only kicks in after the auto insurance maxes out. Pretty much every state requires you to have auto insurance, with a certain level of coverage, if you drive or own a car. And those rates for the coverage you get are much more affordable than this ocare fiasco.

  • Stormrdr

    Your argument still doesn’t make any sense. If you get married and have a family, that swings you into a whole new rate bracket. And that rate will be whatever is current then, not what you are paying now. That’s the deal with the no pre-existing conditions, remember? You can’t be penalized for not getting coverage prior to getting sick.

    And the average family rate is still not affordable to a young family. An average family of 4 will be paying nearly $1000/mo premiums for the Bronze plan, with an average deductible of $5500 (its actually $$6300 in my state), and then only having 60% of the bills covered on top of that.That means a family would be out an average of almost $20k before the insurance did a darn thing for them. If they’re only making about $50-60k between them, they’re already circling the financial drain by the time insurance engages, so what benefit does that kind of insurance provide them?

  • Stormrdr

    Edony, you need to go back to your OFA leadership and get better talking points if you’re going to continue trying to pimp this thing.

    If, as you claim, the government already has access to all this information, then why should I have to supply it when I sign up? Why don’t they reference the information that is already in the locked down, hardened, secure database of those agencies?

    Instead, they are asking applicants to submit ALL their personal information into a system that barely went online the day before it went live, and which just about every security expert on the planet has issued warnings about.

  • Stormrdr

    I love how liberals dismiss accurately reported facts and figures as ‘Fox News drivel’ without ever actually challenging the accuracy of that reporting. Apparently most of America feels that “Fox News Rhetoric” is worth listening to, since just about every timeslot blows away MSNBC and CNN in the ratings stats.

  • Stormrdr

    You’re right. However, I won’t fight them on the penalty, simply because its a heck of a lot cheaper than paying for insurance that won’t benefit me in the slightest.

    About the only benefit of carrying this high deductible nonsense is that you get to pay the negotiated rate for care that the insurance companies used to pay. If caregivers just charged that negotiated rate instead of the ‘retail’ rate they charge those without insurance, this whole argument about the need for it would be moot.

  • WiSe GuY

    0bama’s brain fart is now a turd.

  • digdeeper

    No-one seems to make the point that health insurance does not mean or guarantee healthCARE! Ever see “not covered” on a medical claim? Hmmm….and who will be deciding what will be covered, how your doctor can CARE for you, well…here comes the death panel, that 15 member bureaucracy practicing medicine without a license telling your doctor what he can and cannot do be penalized and fined! How exciting is that! 15 bureaucrats controlling the care of 300 million of We the People. How’s that sounding to you ObamaNuts now?

  • June Wilson

    Let’s hope the young refuse to buy it so it will go away soon.

  • digdeeper

    a weak bladder is not a life-threatening condition….duh!
    Pee-On!

  • digdeeper

    Guess you’re not living on the edge of solvency. Good for you…one of the lucky privileged elite. Co$t no object. Easy for you to talk then, hunh! Maybe fact-check the FNC Rhetoric and don’t knock it if you haven’t.

  • mcbee555

    First of all, if these youngsters can stay on their parents’ health coverage until age 26, they don’t have to purchase their own personal policicies. The federal government has already discouraged that incentive. It has “liberalized” its healthcare law to a fault, in order to be all things to everybody. Obviously, no one in Washington, DC understands duplication of coverage, so the people Obamacare was counting on for revenue from this law were given the earliest form of Obama waivers that allows them to avoid purchasing Obamacare.
    Mr. Obama has criticized the private healthcare industry, painting a picture of them of being the consumer’s worst enemy…and the federal government the consumer’s only true friend. That was purely a “fear campaign” to drive people into Obamacare.
    After he’s able to put private insurers out of business, all that will be available will be healthcare from the government, the dream of Socialism. It’s going to be sad, but it appears that Americans will only learn “the hard way.” The pathetic experience in national health care, Europe, hasn’t yet penetrated American minds.

  • mcbee555

    The Socialists may not be that “mathematically challenged.” I believe that bringing an entire healthcare system under Socialist power is more important to Democrats (Socialists) than either the health or finances of American people. It’s like leading innocent sheep to a slaughter. They don’t even think about saving themselves.

  • mcbee555

    One would do that out of a parting gesture to a person so entirely disrespected for his schemed efforts to destroy America from within. I’m with the “Epic” guy!

  • EpicMale

    I do believe you pointed out a subtlety that is important. The average socialist is mathematically challenged, so they buy into the black magic numbers provided by their ‘dear leaders’.

  • mcbee555

    :):) Careful amigo….one of them will accuse you of racism for mentioning “black magic.” Yes, they can be dense.
    “Theirs is not to question why………..”

  • EpicMale

    Oops…ok, wicca magic? Is that ok? LOL… I think I can get a pass if it is anti-Christian.

  • del

    Ovomit and thunderthighs hillary could care less who buys this commie crap as long as the money from We the People can be snatched, stolen, or taken right out of our bank accounts. Treason folks and lets hang em high including pelosi, reid, old billyclinton, kerry, lee, waters, schumer, nelson(fl), etc etc…you get the picture

  • Edony

    Actually I have British and Canadian citizenship and carry both passports but am living in the US.

  • ssilv48

    al, let’s put it this way, Your an idiot if you sign up for anything a non- citizen signed you up for, but left himself, moochele, senate, house of repucks and congress. That alone should throw a red flag to anyone with a brain cell. How about it Al, did you sign up for it.

  • ssilv48

    00, the demorats have complete control of the voting machine to make anyone they want to win. mr oboma stole the last two elections, it’s got nothing to do with voting.

  • ssilv48

    1 your right, and it gives them access to your bank account, land to file liens on, ect., ect, ect.

  • ssilv48

    59, can your insurance company get into your checking account now???? Can they file a lien against your property, including your home stead. This is what is going to happen to all Americans to take full control of every move you make. You would have to be a border line idiot not to see what is going to happen.

  • Edony

    No, you didn’t get it. I said you will need subsidised ‘DEPENDS’ for your weak bladder LOL

  • EpicMale

    You still missed the point, the second time around!

  • Edony

    Sorry, you made a point? Did I miss it both times? I guess I did. Please reiterate!

  • SixSixSix

    Do the math? Don’t get sick or injured, or die young and leave a pretty corpse.

  • SixSixSix

    Yeah because covering millions of people is such a horrible thing. People should die hideous deaths in agony if they aren’t privileged. Or what is the point of feeling superior?

  • SixSixSix

    Death Panels. Hint: don’t waste money on a policy with mental health insurance. It will be totally waster on your incurable condition.

  • EpicMale

    The text is still there. And you need the reading comprehension improvement, so go do your own dang homework, Spanky.

  • Hahahaha

    Being forced to is… we should attack the cost of health care… not force everyone to buy insurance. I will be one of the young people opting out and I dont care who dies because of it.

  • SixSixSix

    The life you are most likely to lose is your own. Please leave a pretty corpse.

  • God help us!

    like.

  • Judith77

    It is not sustainable. It is too expensive and it is coerced. Deaths in agony except the privileged? That’s not the case. The only people who will not suffer from 0 care is the privileged. They are the only group that can afford it. Middle income folks will be bunking with the poor. Poor people had state assistance, or low cost insurance.. even through the net… einsurance.com., they also had low cost insurance for children. Young people didn’t buy.. That’s their right and their risk. Now, young people, poor people and middle income people will have insurance by golly! but they’ll get sick and die quicker from all the stress from the cost. It will bankrupt them! It doesn’t cover well, the deductibles are enormous and premiums are beyond reach. They Market it pretty don’t they. It stinks when you open the package.

  • Judith77

    It’s never too late. We need to get in office someone that will listen to constituents. This time no pussy footing around. Recall or vote out anyone that does not completely repeal. Open it up and remove interstate regulations. Don’t give up the fight. How long was prohibition law? We have to. SS was supposed to be temporary. This is far worse.

  • Judith77

    That is good to know. Because most young people will not sign up for the beast.

  • SixSixSix

    You are totally wrong. Tens of millions of people were frozen out. The Red States have further restricted hope for the bottom quartile. The rest is out right lies. If you have no shame, it is truly pitiable.

  • GraceAnna

    Depends on how much that family of 4 is making. Running the numbers on the subsidy calculator at http://kff.org/interactive/subsidy-calculator/ a family of four making $60k would pay about $274 a month for the bronze plan or $291 a month for the silver, after getting help in the form of tax credits. Now if they made too much to qualify for the tax credits, they would pay A LOT more.

  • GraceAnna

    I know that’s frustrating. If you still can’t get in, you could try the subsidy calculator to get an idea of how much of a tax credit you might qualify for http://kff.org/interactive/subsidy-calculator/ I compared the rates for my current insurance company with their 2014 rates. While the overall rates do go up with Obamacare, I qualify for tax credits that would make my monthly premiums lower than what I currently pay.

  • GraceAnna

    How much does this less than 30 hour a week job pay? If I put an annual income of $15,000 into the Kaiser subsidy calculator, I end up with a monthly premium of $25 after tax subsidies for a silver plan and $0 for a bronze plan. If the state expands medicaid, a job like that might qualify a person to enroll in that instead of having to go through the exchanges for healthcare. http://kff.org/interactive/subsidy-calculator/

  • GraceAnna

    Found this on Politifact.com:

    A Treasury Department spokesperson confirmed that the [Affordable Care Act] specifically bars the IRS from using their normal means of collecting unpaid taxes, including the use of liens and levy.

    According to the law, the government “shall not (i) file notice of lien with respect to any property of a taxpayer by reason of any failure to pay the penalty imposed by this section, or (ii) levy on any such property with respect to such failure.’’

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/oct/04/facebook-posts/closer-look-facebook-post-mans-struggle-obamacare-/

  • GraceAnna

    How do we know people aren’t buying it when people are having trouble even getting in to the website so they can buy it?

  • Stormrdr

    I could be wrong, but I think subsidies only apply to the premiums. The deductible, and the % you pay on top of that, are fully out of your pocket. So even at $275/mo, that family of 4 is still out nearly $10k/year before the insurance does anything for them.

    And since our hypothetical family is only making $60k, that’s 1/6th of their budget, on top of the 1/4th to 1/3rd they lose in payroll and income taxes.

    So, under this plan, if they are having to utilize health care, this family of 4, earning $60k/year, is having to live off of about half of that. And that’s not factoring anything being set aside for savings, retirement, college fund, etc.

    Don’t know about you. But that’s hardly what I call ‘affordable’ health care.

  • http://yahoo.com/ DustyFae

    Not only do the young adults with Full time degree can only get part time jobs, they are needed to make obamacare work.. plus on top of all that, they will be stuck with paying the debt that Obama has cause, they need to fight back,cause they can help stop this crap if they just wake up and demand Obama stop forcing debt onto them. Either way, the young Americans are screwed.
    No wonder most kids are acting depressed, they were robbed of their dreams. They will never be able to afford that new car or buy a new home.. it is all being taking away from them.

  • EpicMale

    Remember, this is NOT about ‘care’. He is not guaranteeing Americans ‘care’. He is selling INSURANCE, whether you want it, need it, or not…

  • GraceAnna

    From what I’ve read, you can get subsidies towards the maximum out of pocket costs as well but I think it’s only up to 250% of the poverty line instead of 400%. I looked on the websites for a couple of the plans in my area, and I was surprised to find that there were about 28 plans to choose from, and the deductibles varied even among the silver category.

  • ssilv48

    nna, the bottom line here is: your going to owe the government and some how you are going to pay created by a non citizen muslim from kenya illegally sitting in our w/h. Everything after that is illegal also, no matter who you bought off or threatened. mr oboma will be known as the most deceitful man brought upon any nation in the entire history of mankind.

  • Euroranger

    Here’s something that’s NOT rhetoric: http://euroranger.wordpress.com/2013/10/04/october-geddon/

    Yes, that’s my blog but that entry is my personal, real-life situation right now. I’ll go ahead and disclose right off that I’m no fan of Barry’s but regardless of that…the numbers that I quote on that post (minimum 40% premium hike for much worse coverage) is not a scare tactic or numbers pulled out of someone’s ass…they’re real. That post is the reality that me and my family of 4 are faced with today.

  • Gumbo

    Obama is a smoker, smoking is bad for your health, really bad. Weak bladder outlives the smoker every time.

  • clueful

    huh

  • yo yo

    All excellent points – I am a doctor, don’t participate in medicaid – medicare and I can tell you there is no way I will accept payments from Obamacare. NO WAY NO HOW. You want my services you will have to pay for them just like I pay for yours.

  • yoyo

    I hear you my friend and your sentiments will be echoed by millions of your peers – which is sad because you really do need health insurance. But I get it. Problem is Obamacare is perhaps the biggest ripoff of all time and very few will be stupid enough to sign up for it when they can get the same or better care for a whole lot cheaper.

  • yoyo

    aBSOLUTELY -GREAT point. Just stonewall the thing, They can’t force you to buy it. And if nobody signs up – bye bye ACA!

  • mopremtech

    who pays for all the subsidies so that the poor can afford their new insurance premiums? The 47% who actually pay fed income taxes. The 47% who will also be paying higher premiums but don’t get a subsidy because they make to much money, which means Obamacare is a net loss for all the people who actually make the money that keeps this Govt funded.

  • manstrom

    It is not about insurance anyway. It is about control of the population and redistribution of wealth. It is right out of the communist playbook. Resist, people, do NOT sign up or give ANY personal information to these thugs!!!!!

  • manstrom

    I am sure you meant his lack of intellect.

  • EpicMale

    Absolutely! And I will not sign up. I have always paid my own way, and that of several others. I served my country twice; I shall serve again.

  • SixSixSix

    Get over it. How about the parasite Walton family. Pure inherited money, never did a thing to earn except get genes from a dead man with money. That family has as much wealth as the bottom 40 million people in this country. 40 million with an “M”! There is plenty of money. Those people have been on a tear for 30 years, especially since 2008. So the money is there, just not the will to tax it.

    If you have taxes too low, the lowest in modern history, and refuse to touch them, then you, and you alone, have created the financial crises. In fact that is exactly how the last two Democratic surpluses were turned into mega-deficits by their Republican successors. Republican Presidents and their tax give aways to the super wealthy have sent a health system down the tubes. But note, the money is still there, just not used.

    As for the 47% of self entitled blood suckers in this society, that’s Romney’s exact vote count.

  • manstrom

    As did I and as will I.

  • EpicMale

    I probably should have stuck in the >sarc on notification. LOL…

  • Right Side of Ohio

    SixSixSix, dude, I think you meant to go to huffingtonpost.com.

  • Right Side of Ohio

    I see in your many many many posts on here that you claim Americans are dying as a result of no health insurance. This implies, then, that no health INSURANCE equals no health CARE. This has been a popular framed talking point of Obama’s and you have clearly bought it. So then, can you actually name a single case where someone died as a direct result of getting turned away attempting to get care?

  • Philip Rock

    people do realize how hard it is to go undefeated right? the reason why
    they set up this system, why republicans and democrats in the senate
    worked together to finish writing the bill, etc. was because it’s
    costing the government a ton. we already have socialized healthcare in
    america but it’s not affordable. we pay more as taxpayers for our
    current healthcare system than any other country yet we don’t get
    anything back for it. In the long run, if you can stop thinking in the
    short term, this will actually save us and our government a shit ton of
    money. I’ve seen bot success stories and bad stories about the ACA but
    for the most part people have had premiums go down and i know as a 24
    y.o with pre-existing conditions my options were actually pretty cheap. people who are saying otherwise are obviously taking the word on the street as law instead of investigating themselves.

  • SixSixSix

    Contact the CBO, they estimate 40,000 to 50,000 per year. Tell us who looked after cancer patients who have no healthcare coverage after they are rapidly bankrupted, have inadequate coverage leading to the same situation, or who have run over their limit leading to the same situation. Same thing for heart disease or any other long term serious illness. Bankruptcy, no further treatment that is the “plan” until death. Who will even diagnoses them? 30 to 40 million uninsured plus will have a lot of chronic diseases not treated in the ER. Use your head. Go look up incident rates if you are so curious. Run the numbers. Pretty grim.

    Yes healthcare financing and healthcare delivery are abstractly different items, but not when one prevents access to the other. Then it is just as deadly regardless of the reason that access is denied. The ACA is a very modest first step towards addressing that issue. But Tea Party Confederate, I will not demean true Conservatives by labeling them as such, could care less. It is time that Northern Conservatives stopped being duped by these people, denounced them and stood up for America. The Union is strong, we shall prevail.

  • SixSixSix

    The truth belong everywhere. Sorry to puncture bubble world for you. Facts are facts, apparently evidence based reasoning and historical accuracy is hard to accept in bubble land. But there is always time to grow up.

  • Joel0903

    Medicaid is no more free than Obamacare. SOMEONE pays for it (hint – the taxpayers.. or our creditors for the part the Feds are supposed to handle). The biggest creditors of the Federal Government are.. drum roll please… China and the US Taxpayer. The latter of which is getting nothing at all in ROI for the debt he (we) hold since Treasury pays that debt with newly printed dollars which have no real value. In other words, both Medicaid, Medicare, and Obamacare as a whole, are going to be paid for by more debt, high interest rates (as soon as the FR printing presses break down), and a worthless dollar. And more and more debt.

  • blkdykegoddess

    You do know that you lost tha war decades ago right? Cointelpro ring a bell? That’s what the whole snowden/ manning fisticuffs is about. The government and corporations already have all that information and are doing with it what they will. And have been for some time. The folks that do it are just consolidating and expanding their reach via technology. “Obamacare” isn’t the beginning or the end of that by a long shot.

  • Justcurious

    where can we read the bill at, please?

  • Tammy McAbee Brookover

    I have pre-existing conditions and my options were not cheap.

  • Tammy McAbee Brookover

    Uhh….they don’t stay on their parent’s coverage for free….

  • Right Side of Ohio

    My friend, I am dealing only in facts. You should do the same. Fact: Obama said if you like your insurance you can keep it. This is undeniably untrue, as there is case after case of insurance companies dropping policies as a direct result of Obamacare. Fact: Obama said premiums will decrease, and in some cases, by 3000% percent. Put aside the mathematical impossibility of a 3000% decrease, premiums haven’t decreased by even a mere 1%, .01%, or .001%, they are only going up. Now, can you make a reasonable and non-ideological argument against these facts?

  • SixSixSix

    You are dealing in absolutes in a world of change.

    The average corporation changes medical coverage yearly, for decades now they often change insurers every other year. Basically for most people the way it works is still the same – constant flux in the HR department making decisions for you picking the terms of insurance. Why a company selling carpets should be picking insurance plans for its employees is as much a mystery to me as why an insurance company should be making decisions about medical treatments. But there you go, it is what it was. “Your plan” as a wage slave really depends/ed upon your employer and is never “your plan” from year to year. That is why it has historically been called the “group” market although that term is a misnomer since all insurance by its nature is a group market (more later on that). The term “group” market actually refers only to the way it is sold in this country. And it goes up and up. You may or may not see these tax subsidized increases – but you know all about them if you are self employed.

    You know who did get forced out of the employer pool and unto the exchanges by the ACA – only one group by law: Congress and its aids. That’s right Congress is the only group explicitly pushed into Exchange coverage. Not the rest of the Federal work force, just Congress. Not what they tell you on Fox and CNN. Those people intentionally confuse employer subsidy with an employer plan. The ACA did not exclude employer subsidy by any employer. The Repukes want to take one more employee benefit away from their own employees – but as millionaires and used car lot owners they never saw an employee benefit they did not hate. Cynical, vicious people even to those who serve them.

    The version of “your plan” that really attaches to you is the so-called “individual” market. The insurer really packages these up so there is not much variety but they sell them one by one. The Individual market is hugely
    expensive and has been severely restricted upon to now. The only good part is escaping ERISA, but that is another long, evil story about good intentions gone horribly wrong. If you want to hate liberal do-gooders, there’s your chance.

    As for premiums, I checked the Washington State rates. First the website works fine and second the rates are a huge improvement, especially considering the products are a huge improvement. I will not argue about extreme cases that I don’t know the context or much care. But on average the rates go down because the insurance companies have to treat individuals as a group, not as individuals they can pick off one by one. The information to compare plans is upfront. A market cannot be considered to be competitive if information is hidden from one side. That’s basic economic 101. So this is another big step forward.

    Historically, I once had wonderful “individual insurance” because Anthem was playing games to attract small business due to their competitor to the North (of Ohio) cleaning up against them through a small business assoication. Anthem was pooling all the members of the plan into a group for underwriting but not stating that in the policy. Damn good thing too when I had a major medical event.

    So there you go, the basic insurance function – spread risk among a larger group so no one individual gets crushed individually by a loss. The group, however, collectively generates a profit for the insurer provided that the odds are estimated reasonably accurately. If you can afford the loss, it always makes more sense to self insure, Bill Gates would be crazy to buy insurance on anything but he might chose to sell it to others.

    That’s also why the Neo-Confederates in Congress don’t care about losing insurance coverage – most of them and their families could not get sick enough to use up their excess wealth that they have beyond their direct living needs. Rich people would never want a health insurance company invading their privacy. So if you don’t buy it, and you are rich and vicious, why help anyone else who does need it? They package that up and call it “freedom”. Strange, nasty, folks but after generations running the plantation and the local county, why should they care?

  • Right Side of Ohio

    First off, very sick of the shots at Fox, because a) you do not know where I get my information and b) like msnbc,cbs, et al are some sort of reliable sources, rather than aggressively left-leaning organizations. I hope you are not in denial of this.

    Second, you have the part about Congress getting forced to the exchanges exactly wrong (probably msnbc is to blame). They voted down the provision to force them onto Obamacare, which is disgusting because the Democrats that rammed this thing through should at the very least put their money where their mouth is.

    Third, you bring up a point I actually agree with in that employers should not be responsible for providing health care. It’s as silly as employers providing home or car insurance. The only reason this has happened is because of the sheer expense of medicine. Health care is the only market that has become so expensive, you not only need insurance, but a care package as well. This is why instead of trying to nationalize health care (which never works because government CAN NOT perform a single task as well as the private sector) we should be making health care more affordable. Two things would take care of 90% of this: allowing insurance companies to compete across state lines. Take a look at who has the lowest premiums in the exchanges. It’s Texas, and the reason is they have the most companies competing. The consumer always wins when companies compete and it is beyond ridiculous that they still aren’t allowed to do so outside their state. Secondly, tort reform would do wonders for lowering doctor’s rates. Malpractice insurance is by far the highest expense that a doctor has to deal with.

    Finally, you make some good points, but at times you sound like a bitter OWS’er, waging class warfare and crying ‘not fair!’ I hope you learn to look beyond today’s crowd of the entitled, and let go of this ideology of equal outcomes and utopias, because it is simply devoid of reality.

  • SixSixSix

    I will take the agreement and agree to split the rest.

  • JustSayingItStr8t

    AND, we all know just how much we can trust the IRS to comply with the Nobamacare guidelines. Yes, let’s just all trust the IRS. FUCK OBAMACARE.

  • Prunzela

    So true. My insurance is abt 12000 a year with a 3000 deductible. I cannot afford a diagnostic test my dr wants me to have because it is over 1200 and frankly I don’t have the extra $$ just lying around.

  • flystraight

    Keep drinking the kool-aid. The country can’t afford this program. The dam CBO can’t even wrap it’s hands around how it will affect the deficit.

  • flystraight

    Yup. Everyone needs to pay closer attention to who they vote for next time.

  • flystraight

    Typical socialist. Those cancer patients should have access to affordable health care. Just simply needed insurance reform. Not the entire health care system dropped on it’s head. Your statements expect the rest to pay for it.

  • SixSixSix

    Wow, what a know nothing thing to say. The ACA is just Republican inspired insurance reform that leaves the entire stinking for-profit health insurance system in place. No public option, no single payer. Just the Republican system they put in place in Massachusetts and the reason they have no alternative – because that was it.

  • wingedred

    Omg a 28 yr olds insurance premium of $80 will go up to $333 a month? Are you kidding me?…my employer cut me to part time so it benefits him. How is this helping the average American? I can’t afford insurance after obamacare kicks in. Something isn’t right here!

  • Joe Milot

    your an idiot,,,signed… 55 and never had health insurance and DO NOT WANT IT…

  • flystraight

    We don’t want single payer douche nozzle. The majority of the country doesn’t even want obamanocare.

  • 244888

    Why are you even trying to be in a civil discussion with conservitives? Are you a plant from the left to go negative on every pos. viewpoint of a conservative? With picking your calling card as sixsixsix (sign of the devil) you’ve already let us know that you’re against what the country was founded on.
    I guess next You’ll tatoo 666 in your forehead. Maybe by the time you decide on the tatoo we will find out they’re covered under obamacare. Don’t see why not since abortion is covered.

  • 244888

    Not sure where you got this info, but the irs tends to get everything they want and then some.

  • 244888

    Don’t forget he gave the big unions a get out of obamacare card. Better than a get out of jail card.

  • 244888

    By now we should all understand what the “hope & change” means for us conservatives. It means we “Hope” we still have some “Change” left in our pockets, after “curious george” (got to be the ears) leaves office.

  • 244888

    By now we should all understand what the “hope & change” means for
    us conservatives. It means we “Hope” we still have some “Change” left in
    our pockets, after “curious george” (got to be the ears) leaves office

  • 244888

    By now we should all understand what the “hope & change” means for
    us conservatives. It means we “Hope” we still have some “Change” left in
    our pockets, after “curious george” (got to be the ears) leaves office

  • 244888

    You got that right. That’s also the reason they didn’t read the bill before they passed it.

  • SixSixSix

    Gee, my MInister has 666 as his State assigned car license. You know what? Many of us don’t buy into superstitions and don’t subscribe to fear mongering. The country, if you care to check, has a Constitution that begins “We the people in order to form a more perfection union”, not “The religious authorities and powers of the Confederacy in order to enforce the rights of the privileged and the institution of Slavery”. If you don’t like American, go back to Texas.

  • SixSixSix

    Well my rude trollish friend, the majority of the country does want Medicare for all.

  • SixSixSix

    Heart attack at 56. My what a surprise. Sure you don’t have a arterial lesion waiting to pop? No warning signs. Prostate cancer, no warning signs. Severe car accident no warning signs. So for you, you get bankruptcy and then nothing. With pleasure.

  • flystraight

    No they don’t. Doctors don’t either. Less and less are accepting it.

  • Joe Milot

    to sixsixsix see you in hell asshole…

  • Joe Milot

    pathetic asshole… in excellent health working out for …..38 yrs . can most likely kick your FAT ass… drop dead… and fuck off… loser

  • SixSixSix

    You know what that means. If you have a heart attack and it does not kill you, then you will recover faster. But it does not mean the heart attack will not kill you. Your angry personality significantly increases your risk in the first place. Being males is not good either. Suggest you keep up your life insurance too. Tendency towards violence, emotional and possibly physical, is not helpful to your long term survival.

    And your angry work outs have next to nothing to do with not getting cancer. It wouldn’t protect you from a dangerous infectious disease. Also, although you may consider yourself immortal, accidents happen all the time. With such a bad attitude towards risk management, you are likely at much higher risk to begin with. May you come to know much pain and agony before wisdom comes to you or maybe just die quickly leaving a fit corpse and save everyone else a lot of trouble. Bye bye troll, for good.

  • SixSixSix

    Oh please. Do you even review what you write? The privileged don’t buy insurance of any kind. They could care less what others do. It is financially not in their interest and more importantly they don’t want their privacy invaded. Far easier for them to pay the pathetically low penalties.

    As for the rest, come back in 24 months and just see how foolish all this certainty of failure will look. Your certainly of doom is so much ego feed.

  • SixSixSix

    47%? Get a life.

    Who pays the bulk of Federal taxes on income? The 95% who collectively hold 10% of the wealth. They pay it in the most regressive tax that is either entirely avoided or goes down to vanishingly small percentage by the top 5% who hold the other 90% of the wealth. FICA takes in more that that other “income tax” from all parties.

    Those numbers cover the entire problem with government financial problems in this country. The money is there. Just not the will to tax it. Meanwhile the wrong people are paying the bulk of the taxes.

    So don’t give me that deceitful 47% crap, account for the entire Federal tax burden on income. The truck driver pays far, far effective rate higher than Mitt Romney, or John Kerry if you want balance, or any billion dollar Hedge Fund parasite.

  • Philip Rock

    like i said, it’s been really cheap for some people and not for others but luckily with the ACA you don’t have to buy insurance from the government you can go elsewhere where premiums have been going down for a lot of people OR you can get a job where you’ll have healthcare.

    I have per-existing conditions too. I couldn’t even get insured with blue cross-blue shield before the early parts of the ACA took effect and my mom’s insurance tried to kick me off while i was still in school.

    hell if you apply somewhere like Starbucks you just have to work 25hrs a week to get insurance and it’s 20 bucks a pay check and it covers a lot. do some research. Yes it’s a lot of work but you’re young

  • Philip Rock

    obama didn’t cause the debt. that’s pretty much agreed on by every economist. nothing’s been done under obama partially due to him not presenting budgets to congress in time and partially due to a complete stand still in congress which drove us to the shut down but he did not cause it.

  • Philip Rock

    i’m not drinking the kool-aid when i couldn’t have insurance before and now i can i’m just fine with this.

  • Philip Rock

    i’m wondering what kind of company you’re with, in both cases, and what kind of plan you have. I’ve talked to people who are having the exact opposite happen to them where their insurance companies are dropping premiums come january. Also idk what kind of company you work for, companies shouldn’t be letting their employees suffer they should be passing costs on to consumers by increasing prices by a whole 1%. Hell disneyworld made 50 part-time employees full time so the coverage would match up properly. Many employers haven’t payed attention to the huge benefits and tax breaks they’re going to be getting that almost balance out the cost.

  • Philip Rock

    Really? because last time i checked obama was re-elected in 2012 by the highest margin of re-election in decades and he was promising to implement the aca… seems to me like at least 5 million more people wanted it then didn’t want it.

  • Philip Rock

    haha, that’s funny too. Fox News doctors don’t, no, but most doctors are fine with it because they’re getting paid.

  • Philip Rock

    you do realize that with our current health system it still gets snatched out of our bank account any time someone is receiving treatment and claims bankruptcy right? American tax payers pay more money in taxes than ANY country in the world with nothing to show for it. we are getting robbed in our current system and we don’t have anything to show for it.

  • Philip Rock

    there are stories of people in perfect shape, sports stars, runners, etc, who drop dead at 30 and you think just because you’re in excellent health you can’t get cancer or a brain aneurism? wow, you are really dumb

  • Tammy McAbee Brookover

    You know what? I have low income, but I worked really hard for a lot of years to make expenses low so that I could home school my children. Home and car paid for….and I will be damned if I have to go back to work just for health insurance. Oh and….the policies you get outside of the exchanges do not exempt you from a fine. Do your homework. Those policies are not Obamacare approved. The absolute ONLY policies that exempt you from the fine…are the ones in the exchanges.

  • flystraight

    Glad WE could all pay for you to be insured now. That’s whats happening. We needed coverage for pre-existing conditions. Obama could have made that happen easily without reinventing our entire health care system and dropping it on it’s head. Obamacare is another government program will need to be reinvented before it even starts. It’s causing peoples premiums, deductibles and co-pays to sky rocket, at least one of them or two of them.
    Your solution is for us now to go get a part time job at Starbucks. Hats off to you and your fellow democrats, you have now become the largest producer of part time jobs in the free world.

  • Wittmurse

    Get a 25 hour a month job at Starbucks? So I should now work 75 hours a week to avoid my premiums hitting the stratosphere. Here is a scenario for you that is not”word on the street” My wife and I are in our early thirties, very healthy and raising one child. We both have degrees and good paying jobs. We had health care through our employers (one) and it was good coverage and affordable. It MORE THAN DOUBLES!!! next year for no other reason than the Affordable Care Act. I priced both our insurance options, (my work and hers) both are priced so much higher than they were before It is hard to believe. It isn’t any better on the exchanges either. We don’t qualify for any subsidies. Shouldn’t your beloved Affordable Care Act benefit everyone? It was branded as the answer to all our health care problems. If even one person has to pay more for their health care coverage than they did before then this law is a failure. My family and I are and we are not the only ones. This law has already failed. I never expected to pay any less. I should not have to be paying more.

  • flystraight

    They’re getting paid less wrinklestein.

  • Charles Batchelor

    Since they never have to pay for it, they have no real clue how it really work for the common person, why most of us don’t have it is because we don’t want it, we just can’t afford it. Now because the people who get free 100% health care (75% paid for Obamacare now) have passed a a law forcing people who afford it in the first place to buy it. Well, I don’t care how they wish to slice it, a $300 premium policy on $1000/ mo gross income just isn’t going to happen.

  • Doug Lynn

    Your thinking is selfish and foolish. The key to any good government program is that it must not hurt the average or median standard of living. It sure looks like the ACA is going to lower the average and median standard of living.

  • Doug Lynn

    UK has socialized medicine. They have one-fifth our population and 130,000 people are year die due to delays in treatment. The ACA is not making things better overall.

  • Doug Lynn

    We are not stupid, but lots of Obama voters are both stupid and selfish. Obama made promises that are impossible to keep and many millions decided to believe his charlatan lies.

  • Rob

    nobody read or new anything about the law in 2010… including you stupid..obama only preached what is good about it stupid…… there is no poll in this country that shows a majority in favor of obamacare ….NONE !

  • ryan

    he damn sure not doing anything to fix it either he just wants to raise the dept limit on his credit card

  • ryan

    then make the one with more money pay more

  • ryan

    he also promised alot of thing that he’s not doing and look back at who he was running against it was a choice of being bite by a gator or being bite by a dog so the american people choose the latter

  • SixSixSix

    Ok, let’s play numbers. We have over 40,000,000 (that’s Forty Million with an “M”) who are outside of the system. If they get seriously sick, first they go bankrupt,and then they die due to infinite delay. “Free markets” aren’t free, you pay or get nothing. And trust me, the ER is not going run a course of chemo for you. You just die, in agony.

    As for citizenship, I believe medical care is basic human right in a moral society. Perhaps morality is an empty process of excepting a severe religious scheme like cutting off hands or letting millions die, but I reject such a puny morality. While humanitarian relief as practical is desirable, this government is not responsible for everything in the world. Unless you want to have the entire globe voting in the elections. Well, do you? What a silly argument.