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Have at it: Who’s to blame for government shutdown?

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By M.D. Kittle | Wisconsin Reporter

MADISON — Of course, John Boehner is right. So say a lot of people who stand by the Republican speaker of the House’s stand.

Harry Reid and Barack Obama, well, they’re right, too. Plenty of Americans, the ones who think Boehner and fellow Republicans are so wrong, will tell you that.

It’s so clear, isn’t it? The people to blame for the federal government shutdown are those lousy so-and-sos.

Bob Dylan in “One too Many Mornings” said it best, as he so often does: You are right from your side, I am right from mine.

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WHO’S TO BLAME? As the federal government partial shutdown hit Day 4 Friday, we ask you, who’s to blame? Photo: AP

Sure, there’s plenty of political theater going on in this latest staging of Dysfunction in America, as  Sheila Krumholz, executive director for campaign finance tracker the Center for Responsive Politics, told Wisconsin Reporter earlier this week.

“A significant part of this is political theater, and anytime there is a good show on you can expect a good response from the people,” she said of the campaign fundraising boom the shutdown has wrought.

But there are core principles fueling the fight, something that shouldn’t be discounted.

Conservatives hate Obamacare. They see the Affordable Care Act, the massive overhaul of the U.S. health care system, as a train wreck happening right before a debt-ridden nation’s eyes. They see it as an overreach of federal authority, and a pox on the basic values of the free-market system.

So, they have demanded the law be defunded, or at least delayed, while some key issues are cleaned up in the federal health care exchanges, and they’re using the federal budget for that vehicle. It’s only fair, they say. After all, President Barack Obama in July decided to delay implementation of Obamacare’s employer mandate for big business. Why shouldn’t individuals expect the same treatment? Republicans have offered several smaller bills to keep portions of the government operational, but they have stood their ground on stalling Obamacare.

Democrats, led in Congress by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada, beg to differ of course. They love Obamacare. They believe it’s a good law, that it will bring health insurance to the millions of Americans who have none, making health care more affordable and accessible to the average American. They believe Republicans are throwing a political temper tantrum, holding the federal government “hostage” because they didn’t get their way on a law that the U.S. Supreme Court has upheld.

They are to blame.

No, they are to blame.

There’s a lot of finger-pointing going on from D.C.’s 1st Street SE to main streets all across the country.

But we ask you, who’s to blame for the partial federal government shutdown, now lumbering into its fourth day?

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  • Joe Grimaldi

    Greed & Power are taught & the reason individuals are drawn to it-Democracy is to insulate the Nation from Extreme Greed which is the Problem for America-We need to realize that without Regulations & Laws that protect the middle class & below & all Americans it can & has blocked mentally the communication with each other of our Struggles, Hopes & Dreams with each other to remind us of each other & that we all Equally have rights that need to be Respected not oppressed

  • Objector

    The voting legal citizens of the USA are responsible for this government and the antics they are pulling. It is NOT a POTUS, Congress or CJOTUS. They are only doing what they “think” is good for the populace. Their stupidity is of their own making. Wake up America!

  • daniel anders

    ACA is the only part the house didn’t approve of .so it’s the senate and the president who is to blame. They are not tolerate like diplomats should be. Didn’t they the Senate say that they would not negotiate!

  • Marie Hall

    Ovomit and Harry Reid

  • Barb

    President Obama.

  • Truth is fact, not opinion

    The POTUS is supposed to lead and his idea of leading is to selectively decide who is to be furloughed and who isn’t. He has decided that WIC, Veterans and national parks and memorials are not essential to tug at American heartstrings while he points a finger at Republicans for the shut down. A federal worker leaked that they were told to make the park closings hurt us as much as possible. Meanwhile he refuses to negotiate because he refuses to accept any bill that includes defunding on a flawed healthcare bill that is hurting American workers. He refuses to negotiate with his own constituents. He should be leading by example instead of once again creating division and using the media to create drama and manipulating opinion to push people into setting aside their disdain for the ACA and push for the government to reopen, whatever the cost. It is a weak, spoiled, embarrasment of a presidential leader that is at fault here. I am so
    ebarassed, but at least I can say I did not vote this train wreck into office.

  • Lorena Townsend

    So the President and senate are not tolerant but the house IS because they want to defund/delay something that has already been voted on and called constitutional by the supreme court? Hmmm…. You do also know that if they had gotten what they wanted the ACA would have still gone into effect right? The republicans in the house are throwing a temper tantrum because they didn’t get what they wanted. Meanwhile I know a whole bunch of people that no longer have to live in fear of getting sick and losing everything because of medical bills now that they have insurance.

  • Truth is fact, not opinion

    Citizens are only guilty of ignorance and for allowing the government to grow so big and corrupt. Big business and elitists control them, not the people.

  • Rev. J.D.

    All of them including the lobbyist.. Plus over spending funds for the benefits of other countries not ours..

  • Truth is fact, not opinion

    The government is greedy and corrupt, therefore we need less government.

  • Linda Nissen

    What kind of English is that???????????? To respond to the question most definitely it is Boneheads fault…the Tea Party Zelots like Cruz etc. SHUTDOWN THE GOP NOT THE GOVERNMENT!

  • Linda Nissen

    THANKS FOR SHARING YOUR IGNORANCE BY YOUR KINDERGARTEN NAME CALLING!
    SHUTDOWN THE GOP NOT THE GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111

  • Truth is fact, not opinion

    Yeah, they will just lose their job, hours and/or a big chunk of their income paying yet another tax. Der

  • Truth is fact, not opinion

    Ignorace abounds among those who can not think for themselves!

  • Truth is fact, not opinion

    Regurgitation of the main stream media

  • Lorena Townsend

    Where did you get your information about POTUS deciding who gets cut? Cause everything I can find says it is up to the departments themselves. It IS sent to the white house after they make their determination for review but I don’t think he goes in there and tells them who to cut or where. Also, what about the ACA in your opinion is flawed? The ACA was already voted on and vetted as constitutional by the supreme court so why exactly should he roll over and let it get defunded? I am actually embarrassed that my fellow citizens want their neighbors and friends to continue to suffer the fear that not having insurance brings. I know many people who no longer have to be afraid that they will lose everything if they get sick. I am ashamed that my fellow Americans want to take that peace of mind and FREEDOM away from them. We (were) the only OECD country that didn’t provide healhcare to all of it’s people. We certainly need to ‘fix’ obamacare by making it a true universal not for profit system but folks like you would have freaked out even more.

  • Kay

    Isn’t that what Obama and Harry Reid are doing? Throwing a fit, not eve talking to the other side? I very clearly remember in elections Obama saying he was the one who could bring both parties together. Where is that compromise now?

    Just to be clear, I wanted Obamacare to work. I really hoped it would. After getting my insurance quotes, I know it doesn’t.

  • Truth is fact, not opinion
  • Truth is fact, not opinion

    He created executive orders

  • Kay

    We heard you the first time. Since when has forcing one single view on everyone worked out well?

  • Truth is fact, not opinion

    The flaws are admitted by the gov itself and are seen by the closing of businesses, lost jobs, cut hours, loss of spousal insurance, cancelled policies that people have currently and premiums that are as much as 4x higher than before the ACA. I am all for a health care reform that does not hurt working Americans. If people are not working, who is going to foot the bill for those who get it free?

  • Lorena Townsend

    What is it exactly do you think they have to talk about? They made it very clear to Boehner and the house that the ACA is NOT on the table. First off one of the things the republicans wanted was for an exemption to congress WHICH DOES NOT exist to be removed. That is like them saying that if Obama can bring a unicorn to them they will pass the budget.

  • Truth is fact, not opinion

    The news is bought and paid for by Obama and his lobbyists. The report propaganda, not fact. RT.com is a good news source.

  • Truth is fact, not opinion

    Republicans are asking that the existing exemption for congress and big business be removed. The democratic party has been bought and payed for by the rich elitists.

  • Truth is fact, not opinion
  • Lorena Townsend

    Are you responding to me about my friends who now have insurance? You might want to take a gander at this great little article that dispels a lot of the myths that I keep hearing from folks who watch Fox news. I really think you will find it enlightening and maybe it will even make you a little less fearful. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/09/30/%3Fp%3D63297/

  • Jennifer Gilbert Sams

    The POTUS is to blame for refusing to compromise or negotiate.

  • Lorena Townsend

    Actually I have found that much of what I can get on the radio is blaming Obama but not exactly saying why. Interesting the different perspectives. Main stream media disgusts me actually.

  • Lorena Townsend

    First off the law says that the insurance companies CAN’T cancel people now and must take them even if they have a pre-existing condition. Second, the only people who will lose spousal insurance are those who’s spouses are now able to get their own healhcare under the ACA which will SAVE companies money. I have not found a single person who’s premiums have gone up. In fact most of the folks I know have had theirs go down. Why don’t we sit back, breathe a bit, have a glass of wine and see where this might take us instead of shutting down the government (which is hurting us WAY WAY WAY more than the ACA in your opinion has).

  • Stuart Collis

    Radical TeaParty Republicans are to blame. In 2009, the ACA was adopted and signed into law. It has been challenged all the way up to the U.S. Supreme Court and held to be Constitutional. In the meantime, the House has fruitless votes on repealing the ACA, wasting time and resources. Now, they are sabotaging the entire country for the express purpose of destroying the ACA. How is this proper? Did Democrats not fund the Republican wars that they thought were wrong? Of course they did. Simply put, these Republicans are not acting in the best interest of the country. They’re acting out of their own selfishness and radical ideology. They behave no better than a toddler who has been told by a parent that they will not get their way no matter how much they throw a temper tantrum. Good parents do not give in to this behavior. It is unfortunate, though, that the country must suffer to teach the Republicans this lesson.

  • Lorena Townsend

    I’m sorry? Are you trying to tell me that you think Obama created the executive order? For real? Please tell me that you aren’t. Please tell me that I am misunderstanding you. Truth IS fact actually, and I would love it if you would honor that.

  • Truth is fact, not opinion

    Businesses are dropping spouses so they do not have to pay a tax forced on them by the ACA. Despite the fact that Obama promised that we could keep our existing insurance if we like it, we can’t if it does not meet requirements in the ACA, which is driving up, the cost of premiums. I don’t know who you know, but my mom’s insurance is going up nearly $400 per month! And a lot of these plans do not have dental or vision. I would be all for a comprehensive plan and better healthcare, but this bill is killing jobs and raising costs.

  • Casey Marion

    The “washington times” is strictly right-wing propaganda tabloid, and in no way a credible source for facts or information. About as legit as the National Enquirer, Star, or The Onion for that matter….. Its appeal is low-information extremists, who find such material appealing.

  • Lorena Townsend

    Could you link me to the information on that exemption cause I find NOTHING. Granted my search engine could be hiding it from me but please find me the exact wording in the bill. I actually read the bill when it first came out (despite the contention that it was ‘impossible’ by the poor non readers in congress who seemed unable to). there IS no exemption. http://www.factcheck.org/2013/08/no-special-subsidy-for-congress/ I will NOT disagree with you that ALL of congress has been bought and paid for which is why we need to, as a nation, come together and not only over turn citizens united but change how we allow them to be lobbied.

  • Hahahaha

    The refusal of Obama to negotiate is the reason for the shut down. All the Republicans are guilty of is trying to stop an unconstitutional law from going active. I dont need the ACA. I have gone most my life without health care and I have never needed healthcare on a serious issue. When I did have it my deductible was so high everything came out of my pocket anyways and I have never defaulted on a hospital bill. If the president really cared about health care for millions of people why isnt he attacking the cost of health care rather than forcing completely healthy people to pay for people who dont care enough about their health to stay in shape?The ACA has nothing to do with American’s well being and everything to do with Obama wanting government control over the private sector. Yeah, the Dems supported a war… but you know why that is the worst example anyone can make? Because wars end… wars always have an end… the ACA has no end. The ACA isnt something that will get better with time it can only get worse. Why should I have to pay for health care I will never use? 26 years old… never hospitalized, 6 doctor visits in 20 years, all physicals, all paid out of my pocket… Why should I be forced to pay $1200 a year for something I will never use? That is why it is unconstitutional. The Supreme Court is in the pocket of the government so that argument is completely invalid… BTW that is the same Supreme Court that says corporations are people.
    If Obama really cared… if the Dems really cared… why not attack the costs?
    An IV bag will cost the average American $600 during a hospital visit. An ambulance ride is roughly $800 per mile. An IV bag cost the hospital $6.25. The ambulance ride cost the hospital around $50 per mile. How is the ACA going to fix this? It isn’t. It will only get worse because if everyone has insurance there is no reason to have reasonable prices. A hip replacement in America cost around $35k. A hip replacement in Canada is around $1500. Yeah, the Canadians have universal HC… but their HC was created in a system where hospital prices werent so outrageous. HC in Canada isnt cheap because of universal HC… universal HC was possible because hospital costs were so cheap. It wont work in America because you simply cannot pay for it for everyone… there isn’t enough money… even with forced insurance the figured just dont add up… except when you steal from healthy people.

  • Casey Marion

    RT is the official propaganda outlet of the Kremlin… Russia Times, btw.

  • Lorena Townsend

    This looks like a 2 year old having a temper tantrum to me. I feel so terrible for all the families in SC who will still have to live in fear of getting sick or finding out their child has a pre existing condition. So sad and so avoidable.

  • Casey Marion

    The influence of monied corporate interests is what has corrupted the process. Follow the money. We need less of what corrupts the process, and better regulations to protect the people from the plutocrats.

  • Hahahaha

    Live in fear of not having insurance? I havent had insurance for a long time. I also havent seen a doctor in almost 9 years…. so if the ACA was made 9 years ago I would have paid $1200 x 9 years for something I will never use. $10,800 down the drain because of people like you. I could put that aside and use it as a rainy day fund if i did get sick.

    If it is really about helping Americans why make a horrible HC law? Why not attack the costs of hospitalization?

    An IV cost someone (insured or not) $600. That is the price the hospital puts on your bill. The cost to make an IV bag is $6.25. An aspirin at the time of hospitalization is $25 per pill. While the cost is around $.05 a pill. If Obama and the Dems cared about HC cost why are they not attacking that issue?

    Simply put is because the ACA was created to gouge money from healthy Americans for profit. I will tell you right now, once I am forced to get insurance I will be visiting the doctor 3-5 times a week to get my moneys worth. There is no reason for universal HC… we need cheaper cost and then no one would need insurance…. or is that too much for your tiny liberal mind to understand? The ACA is about the government controlling the private sector… and I have exponentially more evidence in my statements then you could ever pretend to have in yours.

  • Truth is fact, not opinion
  • kansascase

    I think there is a lot of finger pointing. The problem begins with the apathy of the American people. Remember John Kennedy, “It is not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.” There are many that are not pulling their own weight. Each person needs to contribute to society if they are physically and mentally able to do so. It does have to be a “paid” job – there are many ways to volunteer. Some of this we have brought on ourselves – our families have been falling apart, young men that should be working are not. What do they “an idle mind is the devil’s playground.” Parents too have not been preparing some children for adult life. And, to be honest, a young child does need Biblical training – the 10 commandments or laws that our society is based on. When that child comes of age, it is then their decision, but as parents we have that obligation. Children are only on loan to us or their parents. They are the children of God. Our educational system has also failed many children and the families. Blame also goes to all parties in the Legislature, Executive and even the Judicial Branch have not been doing what is “best” for the Country. It is not important to be a popular leader, but you do have to be a leader. It is the responsibility of a leader to bring opposing parties together to reach a consensus. Washington is running wild with the viewpoint “what’s in it for me” and I am really quite tired of it. Our leaders need to be examples – righteous men, honorable and honest with integrity. So, you see, there is a lot of blame that needs to be shared.

  • Kl

    7 times the house has sent over bills totally funding the government in each and everyone and 7 times Harry Reid refused, dead on arrival. Republicans asked for a sit down to discuss. No no no says Harry Reid.
    Republicans went from defunding to just delaying the individual mandate – SO if you WAnT Obamacare, you can, if you don’t, you don’t have to yet. Just like it is for business !!!!!!! That is a compromise
    This is America and finally these republicans are doing what the people that voted them in wants them to do, they are doing their job. We got a lot done in LATER Clinton years because he actually started to work with republicans, not divide the country.
    This is outrageous ! Democrats are totally to blame. Compromise

  • Lorena Townsend

    FYI= You won’t HAVE to pay, well unless you make over $200,00 and if you do then you should be able to afford healthcare. And I totally agree with you about the cost of healthcare in America. We need a universal NOT for profit system, like canada and EVERY other developed country had. Sadly that never even would have come CLOSE to passing in Congress. Therefore we have this kind of , better than nothing ok ACA. It will take years to pry ourselves out from big pharma and the for profit hospitals, but this IS the first step. Instead of fighting it why not help us show the country it doesn’t suck to let people NOT go bankrupt from getting sick? It’s going to take those of us who care about each other to get to the final solution. Lets not get mad at each other, lets get mad at the folks who are making billions of dollars on the backs of people who get sick. I am so thankful you haven’t had any health issues where you couldn’t pay. I have, and it was horrendous for me. But I am older than you and you will be older some day too. Lets look out for each other and make sure our neighbors and friends don’t have to fear losing their homes or jobs because of an illness or accident they can not afford.

  • megan hight

    The aca or obamacare isn’t something I would wipe my butt with. Do you know because of it going into effect my grandfather no longer gets his meds he needs to live because he’s over 76? Do you know that accepting obamacare gives the government full access to your banking account? Did you know if you miss a payment you loose your license? Did you know it will cost the average American couple with no kids an extra 600 a month WITH $10,000 in yearly deductibles? Have you read anything on it? The republicans are right it shouldn’t pass. I may not get paid next month due to the shutdown (I’m a veteran) but its a small price to save America. Obamacare is to blame.

  • Lorena Townsend

    Phew! Thank you for the clarification! I thought you were saying the obama actually created executive orders in general! goodness, thanks for making me way more confident in my fellow humans.

  • Kl

    When it is signed into law that is it NO changes constitutionally. After it was signed into lae OB granted exemptions and delays and you can not do that without going through congress and he did not go through congress

  • Stuart Collis

    You do not negotiate with terrorists. What is there to negotiate? The ACA is law. If the Republicans want to try and amend the law, then fine, do so! Do it through the introduction of a bill and see if it can pass the House, Senate and get signed by the President just like the ACA did. It is simply wrong to hold the country hostage and put people out of work just because you do not agree with the law.

    As to your question, why should you have to pay for health care that you will never use, I answer back with questions, why should the Federal government pay for a bridge in California that I will never drive over? Or why should the government pay to maintain interstates that I will never drive on? Or why should I pay for police that I believe will never help me? Why? Because it is in the majority’s interest! It is the right thing to do! Because it makes everyone better.

    And stop saying the ACA is unconstitutional. I’m a lawyer. You have no idea what unconstitutional is. Justice Roberts, a conservative Republican appointed by George W. Bush said it was constitutional. It is over and it is Constitutional.

  • Stuart Collis

    An incidentally, Hahahaha, you don’t ever have to pay for health insurance. You have the right under the ACA to opt out if you don’t want it. Simply pay your $95 a year tax. That’s quite a bit less than your alleged $1200 a year (which is quite a bit higher than $500 for a family of four which I see all over the news). Please do your research before you type.

  • Lorena Townsend

    OMG what? Do you have some links to that? I hadn’t heard of any of those things. WTF? Please send me the info so I can share with my mom who is up there in age too.

  • OldmanRick

    Let’s see, I blame both parties for putting politics and one-upmanship above the health and welfare of the citizenry and country. Since dims are in charge with Valerie Jarrett’s sock puppet in the oval office, jackasses are more to blame for not showing leadership and trying to resolve this partial government shutdown.
    Let’s all understand that this defund obamacare thingy was and still is a red herring. The big issue is that congress and many others elitists and self proclaimed royalty in the administration do nor wish to associate and share in the same FUBAR health plans as the little people with respect to the very law congress passed without so much as a cursory glance. Pelosi’s famous words were: “We have to pass it to find out what’s in it.”
    Another issue with this alleged health plan is that it is nothing but another social justice scam for redistributing wealth.

  • Hahahaha

    Um… I did my research… healthcare.gov is what gave me my numbers. Your $500 for a family of 4 is $4500 less than every number I have heard about a family of 4. My sister is a part of a family of 3 and her quote was $385 per month. Now families will have some tax breaks that are included in the law, but those breaks dont pass down to families of 1. My quote was $85 per month… and you are also wrong about $95 a year tax… it is $95 a year OR 1% or your income and that will put my tax around $200. In 2015 it will be $265 or 2% and in 2016 it will be $465 or 2.5%. Maybe YOU should actually do some research before you speak.

  • Stuart Collis

    Clearly you did it wrong as I did it based on a family making $50k on the Silver plan. Try again with real numbers.

  • Casey Marion

    This is simply untrue. Corporations are dropping spouses that have coverage through their own employers. Its a cost savings measure many companies are employing, having nothing to do with ACA.
    If someone’s premiums go up, that’s due to insurance company decision, and premiums may no longer exceed 80 to 85% of the cost of actual care provided to the group. Millions in refunds have been made to insured as a result to date.
    Many would do well to get some actual facts & reliable information instead of buying into propaganda & lies.

  • Hahahaha

    Yeah, lots of lawyers right now are saying gun bans are constitutional too. Taxing me because I don’t want to pay for HC is no way constitutional. There is no way stealing money from someone who refuses to buy a service could ever be constitutional.
    And yes, you use the interstate every day. The goods we purchase from stores, anything ever delivered to your house, anyone who works for you who uses it to get to work… they all use it and you use it as an extension of those products. And you are right, the police should not be responsibility of the government it should be a part of the private sector. The constitution was created to protect the individual from the majority because our founding fathers knew a country ruled by the majority of its citizens was a country doomed to fail because the majority has no interest in the majority they only have interest in themselves.
    And I highly doubt you or any lawyer could point to a part in the constitution that would justify the ACA. America was not created so the working force could be forced into paying for the lazy.
    And if the majority wanted the ACA why did the Dems lose the house? And dont go to “well they re-elected Obama.” They re-elected him because of false promised and then gave the house to the GOP because they soon found he couldnt be trusted.
    And I am sure Justice Roberts, who has stakes in a few insurance companies, had no bias towards his statement, right?

  • Hahahaha

    You are the type of liberal I hate to hate. And it sucks that the HC system exploits people like you due to illnesses. However, $1 tax at the end of the year or a $1000 tax at the end of the year is not constitutional. It isn’t right. And I dont see how the ACA is going to help us get over big pharma and for-profit hospitals. I only see how the ACA will allow those corporations to continue to exploit the American people. What’s going to happen to insurance prices when the work load shifts from 50% working and 50% mooching to 25/75? What about when Americans learn you can live a substandard life under the wing of the government as opposed to working hard for their money?

    If the ACA has clauses that lowered prices and kept the insurance companies and hospitals in check then I would be more than happy to pay my $95 at the end of the year… hell if the ACA was really going to help us I would be happy to pay my $1200 a year. But I dont see how it helps anyone other than those who are seriously sick and big corporations in the HC industries.

    My best friend has 2 kids, a third on the way and works 16 hours a day to support his family… his wife refuses to get a job. He is someone who needs affordable HC. But it should not come out of my pocket by force. When he is down on his luck I have given him money to pay for his daughters meds. But I have also told him he will never get another dollar from me because he really isn’t struggling. He has a member in his house who is fully capable of working but simply refuses because then they will make too much money and no longer qualify for food stamps.

    That is my best friend… but why should I have to help pay for his life mistakes? He got the girl pregnant at 18… not me.

    Same goes for other people. I work out (not religiously but I like to maintain a healthy weight because my job has me on my ass for 8 hours a day). Why should my money help pay for someone who needs a doctor weekly because they refuse to work out? Because they refuse to eat healthier?

    That’s all I ask… I have lived my life right… I never got a girl pregnant, no pregnancy scares, I dont eat pure junk food (though I love it I have self control), all my elderly relatives (Grams and Gramps) have already passed away before I was old enough to talk… why is it my burden to help pay for other people who dont know how to manage their lives?

    Things happen… and I understand that… but that just brings me back to big pharma and for-profit hospitals.

  • Hahahaha

    I did it based on a 26 year old, single male, with a yearly income of $20,000. My sister (says) she did it as a family of 3 with an income of $45000. I cannot speak for her, but I know my numbers were put in correctly. The HC offered by my job quoted me at $120 every 2 weeks… but I cannot go off that because my jobs HC sucks.

  • Casey Marion

    Its patently untrue that low-income singles are not eligible for tax breaks.

  • Casey Marion

    Its truly amazing that anyone could possibly believe such ludicrous foolishness, like ‘Gramps wont get his meds he needs….’ Seriously? Totally ridiculous.

  • Hahahaha

    You’re right… but the government considers low-income as poverty… and I am not under the poverty line. Tax breaks exist for single families making under $14000

  • Stuart Collis

    I owe you an apology, Hahahaha. I misread your year for month. $1200 a year is a deal. As a self employed person with a family of 4, for Blue Cross Blue Shield, before the ACA, I would have had to nearly pay $1000 a month. For the same coverage, a person in my situation could pay $1200-$2400 a year and have all preexisting conditions covered. This is a deal!

  • Casey Marion

    This statement is completely inaccurate. There is ample precedent for executive branch latitude in enforcement and implementation, if one simply takes the time to fact check this claim.

  • Stuart Collis

    Banning certain guns is constitutional. Read all of the case law on the 2nd Amendment. Personally, I believe that nobody has a right to bear arms unless they are in a “well regulated militia” but that is my belief and not how the law is yet interpreted.

    The ACA was created under the theory that has been upheld for 75 years that it was a valid right under the right for Congress to regulate Commerce. Justice Roberts turned his nose at that and said it was constitutional as a tax. While I disagree with his reasoning on case law, the fact is that no matter what way you slice it, the ACA is Constitutional and the law of the land. So, I highly doubt that there was any bias in his ruling.

    The Democrats did lose the House in 2010 but gained seats in 2012 and gained more in the Senate in 2012 despite most commentators saying that the Democrats were going to lose the majority in the Senate. Clearly Republicans are upsetting the American public. They’re going to lose more seats in 2014 by continuing this behavior.

  • Casey Marion

    Of course, the SCOTUS begs to differ… ACA does include cost containment provisions as well, btw.

  • Casey Marion

    False. There are tax breaks for anyone whose income is 400% of the poverty level or less

  • Hahahaha

    So you are saying a tax break for a single person family exists as long as they are making under $56K a year? Do you have a source for that?

  • jp

    This is the best statement i have read in all these comments. We voted all these assholes into office. Most people know absolutely nothing about our government or how it works, even worst than that most don’t want to know anything about it. They just get upset when something the government does effects them, then all of a sudden they become experts and believe any dumb shit they come across on some stupid website. We as Americans should all be ashamed of ourselves for letting our government become what it has.

  • Hahahaha

    Oh wow… yeah 1200 a month would be crazy. And you are right 1200 still isnt bad for a whole year. But TBH I simply don’t want to pay for something I think I wont use. And you are also right I will just pay the penalty. My fear comes from it spiraling out of control. This year it will be $200 (i dont qualify for the $95) then it will be $265 then $465 to eventually make the insurance less than the penalty. Now obviously I dont know what will happen after that because we will see a world of changes between then… I just feel it is unfair to buy something I dont want and really havent used.
    I appreciate and accept your apology.

  • Casey Marion

    If you take the time to read any fundamental information on ACA, you would be aware of this. Can you Google key word search?

  • Stuart Collis

    Fear is just that. Fear. FDR said, “The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself.” He’s right. Change is frightening. We as humans like to do things that are the same and familiar. But same and familiar have led us to many bankruptcies because of medical bills. That’s not right. I should not have to fear going to a doctor because of lack of payment.

    Understand, I have no objections to Republicans trying to modify the law. I have objections to Republicans holding the country up because they want it repealed. There’s a proper method of changing the law: it is called introducing a new bill. Simply refusing to pass a budget or to have a straight up and down vote on a continuing resolution is not.

  • Hahahaha

    I can agree on that… we are looking at a long reign as a democratically controlled country. I don’t know though… I guess it all comes down to interpretation. I would interpret regulation of Commerce as controlling the prices of big pharma and for-profit hospitals and not as the laws outlined in the ACA. And I can agree no one needs to own a minigun or a 50 cal rifle but I do believe a gun should be a part of every household for safety sake and obviously only if that household is trained well enough to not blow their own heads off but I was raised around guns and never saw the big deal. However, my father was relentless on making sure my sister and I understood all safety regulations on proper procedures. I guess I can see more common ground from you than I originally thought, but I will still just be paying the penalty at the end of the year.

  • Hahahaha

    I sure hope so… I mean… like I said I don’t use it anyways… in fact I dont know anyone in my immediate family who has gone to the doctor in the past 5 years… minus physicals and my sister’s pregnancy checkups. So the cost to me isnt that big of a deal, but whether this ACA law goes the way the Dems want it or the way the GOP wants it I guess I can just hope it all turns out okay for the average, hard-working American.

  • Hahahaha

    Well, I think that might be another can of worms. I think the right thing to do is to not raise the debt ceiling but to cut government spending… but that is a different topic on its own. I mean, how long ago were we supposed to have a budget? Not blaming the GOP or the DEMs individually… they are both to blame… but eventually we need to just stop raising the ceiling and find a way to concur the debt (whether the ACA is involved or not makes no difference to me). But I guess in fairness to the USA we need our government back up and running.

  • Casey Marion
  • Hahahaha

    Yeah, so much for being civil… According to http://www.irs.gov/uac/Affordable-Care-Act-Tax-Provisions a single person family only qualifies if they actually buy HC (obviously). However, the cost covered would not be less than simply not getting it.

  • Thomas Sullivan

    To say that these companies are dropping spouses as a cost saving measure, with nothing to do with obummacare is just plain silly. If that where the case why would so many companies be dropping them so fast, and your previous statement, that companies have to insure people now. I know of 3 corporations in my local area, that have just dropped there insurance all together and told people best of luck with obummacare, my company being one of them.

  • Casey Marion

    Really, can you Goole key word search?

  • Casey Marion

    Of course you only qualify for a tax credit for buying something if you actually buy that something….

  • Casey Marion

    Premium Assistance Tax Credits

    Individuals and families with incomes between 100% – 400% of the Federal Poverty Level (FPL) and who are covered by an exchange plan are eligible for advanceable, refundable tax credits, paid to the issuer, against the cost of their healthcare coverage. The payment of credits will begin in 2014.

  • Thomas Sullivan

    The senate as a whole did not say they wouldn’t negotiate, only Harry Reid and his followers, the democrats. They said time and time again that the only measure they will vote for is a clean Cr. The Republicans have attempted 4 times, in the original Cr. to negotiate, and each time the Dem’s shot them down.

  • Thomas Sullivan

    First, none of those people actually have insurance, obummacare doesn’t cover anyone until Jan. 1st 2014.
    Second, i’d be curious if I were you as to how many of those people actually have signed up for obummacare, the signup numbers have been low, due largely to the cost and the flaws in the sign up system.

  • Thomas Sullivan

    Agreed, seems obumma cares so much more about big business than the American populous.

  • Casey Marion

    Some employers ARE choosing to drop insurance for employees, pay the fine, and have the employees purchase their own policies…. a tiny minority.

    This decision to drop spouses who have their own coverage isn’t actually anything new, but it has been a significant trending topic on the right-wing extremist propaganda &n dis-information outlets.

  • Thomas Sullivan

    Maybe they are confused about what a unicorn looks like and what a exemption to obummacare looks like.

    This is a Unicorn.

  • Casey Marion

    The debt ceiling limit is raised to pay for expenses already incurred, voted on and passed, by Congress…..

    To even consider defaulting on the full faith & credit of the US is positively treasonous as it is ignorant.

    The time to cut spending (the deficit is dropping rapidly) is when the budget is set, not when the bills are due for what was already spent….

  • Thomas Sullivan

    Tiny minority. Letters I’ve seen in person, no media involved. Applebee’s, Buffets Inc, and UPS. Now, in my friends letter from UPS it simply stated that they where dropping everyone except the primary insured. But I’d say that is at least 1~3 million people just in these 3 companies. I don’t think its a coincidence at all, seems they are going hand in hand, companies are dropping insurance to take the fine and the Americans are get left behind in the process.

  • Casey Marion

    The decision to drop coverage for spouses who already have their own coverage is an entirely separate & unique issue from those who decide to drop coverage for employees entirely.

    UPS is not continuing duplication of coverage for those whose spouses have their own coverage through their own employers.

    Some min. wage paying chains — particularly some low end restaurant & retail chains — have threatened to reduce hours of part time employees.

  • Casey Marion

    Not the same issue. The low-pay chains have threatened to reduce hours to evade the requirement for large employers to cover their employees who work 30+ hrs. per wk.
    UPS spousal coverage has nothing to do with this separate issue.

  • Casey Marion

    The US is the only developed nation in the country without some form of universal coverage, and they all spend less than half as much per capita as we do, while we leave millions uninsured, with worse outcomes, and they manage to cover everyone.
    How is it that we are so extraordinarily backwards, relative to the rest of the developed nations on the planet, so much so that 45,000 people per year die as a direct result of being denied needed medical care because they’re uninsured?

  • Thomas Sullivan

    So I guess if it is only hurting the people in lower paying jobs it is ok then. Thought that obummercare was suppose to help people who may not be able to get insurance through normal channels.

  • Casey Marion

    I have no idea where you would reach that conclusion that its “ok.” No. Its simply factual.

  • Casey Marion

    Do you realize using attempted name-slur type terms makes you appear to be extremely immature, ignorant, & low functioning?
    It reminds me of the behavior at the socially awkward kids table in the lunchroom in Jr. High School.
    Please realize you do effectively self-marginalize & discredit anything you say when you choose to do that.

  • Thomas Sullivan

    Ohh, you mean obummer, well since no one has proven his real name, it is a nick name and I choose not to capitalize it, because there is zero respect for him, our his mission to destroy America.

  • Thomas Sullivan

    It is not ok, that is what I derived from what you said, that since they where lower paying jobs, that it didn’t matter that there insurance was dropped. You say you support the president, and obummacare, then you have to also say you support the people being forced into part time work and losing there insurance, they go hand and hand. obummacare kills the 40 hour work week, Teamsters agree. Also made it acceptable to toss employees into the system and pay the illegal tax associated with obumacare than to actually offer insurance to employee’s.

  • Fred Webb

    Do you realize who stupid you sound?

  • Laverl Turley

    Now that you don’t have an answer for the last statement/question you have just trashed the individual just like Obama has been doing. I know several full time workers that have had their hours cut because the company’s that they work for do not want to pay for the health insurance that is acceptable to the ACA. Now call me a name or tell me how stupid I am it just supports what I have said if you do.

  • Laverl Turley

    You have the right to your opinion but you do not have a right to your facts.

  • Laverl Turley

    If Obama and the Senate do not set down and honestly, and I do mean HONESTLY negotiate and compromise on some of the things then it, shut down, belongs to them. Standing firm with out negotiating is not how this is to work.

  • Linda

    a bunch of big babies in a p’ssing contest in DC with a moron for a leader and they care nothing for the constitution or the American people!

  • cheryl

    GOP all the way…..they are really making people anger….trying to take something away they been waiting for so long and finally here and signing up for ..now the GOP wants to say oops you cant go see a doctor…..They lost !!!!no more discuss about this …if a few can’t move on than there Obama needs to find away for treason it was plan to do this since 2010 and they are happy that they shut down the government , except yesterday now they are calling it Obama shutdown guess they don’t want the credit anymore….DEMS need to say oops no more GUNS……

  • Diana Lynn Braddock

    O bummer and his cronies in the democratic party, for not negotiating.

  • Beverly Floyd

    Obama is responsible. He is suppose to be the leader and do what is best for the Country and the people, not just the elite few who lines his pocket. Dirty Harry is his go between, or another puppet he uses to do his will. Obama is the most dangerous man, in or out of this Country that we have ever had. He talks about helping the middle class as he reaches as far as he can in their pockets and takes away as many of their freedoms as he can. Unfortunately there are many voters that do not seem to mind having this Country be turned into a Communist Nation with a dictator that will rule with out any conscience of the suffering of the people. IF Hitler was still alive it would be obvious Obama got his training directly from him.

  • jacklohman

    Wow. The D’s are 100% bad and the R’s are 100% good. Divide and conquer!!!

  • Tagdogs

    Obamacare shouldn’t even be a law, especially after obama has made over 19 changes to the law. How can he legally change the law when he doesn’t have the authority to pass laws, but is required by the U.S. Constitution to enforce the law as passed by both houses of Congress. Republicans should be challenging the law in court again, due to these changes. Also, the SCOTUS ruled it is a tax, which means it is again illegal because all tax bills have to originate in the House, not the Senate as this one did.

  • Maggie Lu

    We really do need someone to keep freedom for all.. Why does the President think its ok for him to change the law on Obama Care for whoever he wants and leave the people without the same advantages? This is the basis for the battle. The House believes as I that all the people deserve to be treated with equal fairness. I believe this President thinks of himself as a dictator. So many actions he has taken is giving the people this same idea. We turn to our congress our only alternative to stop this. Thank God some of them are finally listening. The louder the people become with anger over their equal rights being stepped on the more action the congress attempts. I truly believe the President carries on his shoulders the brunt of this battle. His Obama Care with delays and thought out effects might have worth. The way it stands now disaster. I am 80 and my supplement went from $125. this year to $179. from a company retirement plan. I have lost three doctors from the University Hospital two of which went to Texas I’ve been told. At this age this is very depressing and happening all over the country. People are very unhappy with the unrest across the nation this Obama Care has brought on. The people will eventually rise up and deal with this in their own way. They will not have health insurance at the prices and coverages being offered by Obama Care in its present form–that is if anyone really knows its present form.

  • maggie lu

    Why is it that the US is known for The Best Health coverage? If these other nations health care is so great why do their leaders come to the US for treatment>

  • danny ray

    It all boils down to the American people. We are to blame for all these messes, if we would learn from these peoples records and vote them out, it would solve a lot of problems. Give up on the two party system and vote for the people that have a fresh insight on how to correct all these issues

  • maggielu

    My supplement to medicare went from $125. a month to $179. That is an increase—fact

  • Stacey S White

    POTUS and Reid have had four reasonable offers presented to them which they rejected. THEY’RE WRONG! The media in the meantime is covering up the truth, or at least most of the media.

  • cherniemoe25

    Obama and Reid are to blame! The House Republicans are doing what the People want them to do. They are trying to fund the important areas of Government. They are finally listening. I pray they don’t cave to the Progressive Rinos. Ted Cruz,Rand Paul,Mike Lee and those who have been working for WeThePeople all along,I thank you!!

  • Dianne Toma

    I am retired and on Medicare and our costs have increased…more is taken out of our SS for Medicare and for our supplemental insurance, and our deductibles (not negotiable) are being raised for next year…but our checks aren’t getting a cost of living raise…

  • Dianne Toma

    That’s true, because companies can stop paying for insurance for their employers and opt out to pay the penalty (tax) instead…and with many large businesses that is cheaper for them

  • Demsrdumb

    Thomas….its usless to even try and debate anything with an Obama Lemming…..just have a better day ignoring them….

  • Waldo

    You are correct, Lorena. My premiums did go down $4.00per month. However, my deductible tripled to $3000.00 per year and my co-insurance and co-pay quadrupled. But I do save $48.00 per year on the premiums. WOW. I don’t need a glass of wine, I need the whole case

  • knowsbolos

    @Lorena..hope you will be as VERBAL about apologizing when proven wrong!! FYI…try reading some news once in awhile which has not originated from the MSM throne lickers!!! There are already reports of some insurance premiums going up as much as 60%…
    Liberals go blah, blah blah…and when they are WRONG they NEVER take responsibility for their actions…like trying to deal with impetuos teenagers who want their car payment made by the government…no matter what.

  • Randall Jones

    The POTUS is to blame. He is trying to implement only a portion of a law by exempting a certain group of citizens and delaying the implementation of the full AHA until after the 2014 elections. According to the Constitution a law must be fully enacted.

  • Casey Marion

    Nor do you. The facts do not support the “part-timers getting their hours cut” claims. There is actual data that shows if there is any trend or pattern, and it just isn’t so.

  • help us all

    It is NOT about right or left. It is about Government corruption, abuse of power, failure to follow RULE OF LAW rather than greed by “both sides of the aisle”. The “Government” has systematically abused Americans Contitutional rights and are creating a smoke and mirrors “crisis” to enable further tensions and conflict of Americans to choose sides. Distraction and fear tactics to take focus away from Government corruption against the PEOPLE. Government doesn’t protect Americans, it protects itself from exposure of the fraud committed and failure to uphold rule of law. “Once
    to every man and nation comes the moment to decide; in the strife of truth and
    falsehood for the good or evil side. Then it is the brave man chooses, while
    the coward stands aside…….” –Anonymous.
    Every individual can choose to believe in left or right, or right and wrong, political influence or TRUTH.

  • Casey Marion

    So you do realize that you make yourself look terribly low-brow and ignorant, but you don’t care?
    When you attempt to make a point by picking out a “nick name,” as you did, you say nothing whatsoever about anyone but yourself. In essence you are telling others “I am a fool (chortle, guttural noises).”

  • Casey Marion

    Facts & data do not bear that assertion out. Your claim is not true. The US health care is actually rated quite poorly. There are a handful of hospitals some world leaders go to, but the quality of care overall is far worse than most other developed nations.

  • Thomas Sullivan

    Not the topic at hand really, who cares what anyone call obama, obutwipe, obummer, nobama, obanana, obamateur, call him what ever you want, makes no difference he is still to blame for the government shut down, and for the decline of America. The person who looks foolish is the one who sits around enjoying freedoms and backs this fool. Never has a “president” been so anti American.

  • Lorena Townsend

    What exemptions do you speak of? I still have yet to have someone actually find them for me from a credible news source. There ARE no exemptions!

  • knowsbolos

    you definitely are a great “student” of the MSM Throne Lickers…I can tell by your droning rhetoric abt other countries with successful socialized medicine and all the ‘thousands” of poor Americans who are all uninsured..Mantra of the liberal progressives…and a total distortion. my advice..go to some of those socialized countries and see where those who can afford go for medical care…USA..why, b/c in theory there is medicine for everyone, and in reality…if you need heart surgery…you cannot get it for years…get on the list! i have personally known Canadians for years who dropped into the USA every time they needed major surgery…jjjuuussstt sssooo sick of your rainbow and butterflys mentality. Theory/drama is not REALITY!

  • lovinspoonful

    Obama and Reid caused the government shutdown with their refusal to negotiate or communicate with the House. Obama has something in mind and it looks like complete takeover of our country. He is shutting down places it is ridiculous to shut down. He has shut down a children’s park in Washington which has nothing to do with the government. He is getting ridiculous and needs to be stopped.

  • lovinspoonful

    Jennifer is 100% right. He has made it clear it is his way or no way. That is a dictatorship.

  • lovinspoonful

    No, it comes from the president. Then you know nothing about Obamacare and the cot to the people. Are you ready to pay up to $1,000 in monthly premiums? Are you ready for the of taxes included in Obamacare? Do you really want a committee of inexperienced government people determining your medical care? Do you really want everybody knowing your medical business? are you ready to changed doctors or have a doctor refuse to help you?

  • jacklohman

    I disagree with ObamaCare, but he has only said “leave established laws alone.”

    I repeat… open mouth, drink the Kool-Aide.

  • lovinspoonful

    He uses executive orders in ways they are not supposed to b used and to bypass Congress or when her can’t get his ay.

  • lovinspoonful

    He used Executive Orders to get his way.

  • lovinspoonful

    You and I are, as it has always been. thousands will not be covered even under Obamacare.

  • lovinspoonful

    It has been shown that premiums will go up and are.

  • jacklohman

    I voted for Romney and would support a recall or impeachment of Obama. But please, righties, let’s be honest with ourselves. This country is not being run by D’s or R’s, it is being steered by moneyed CEO bribers in the 1%. They want greater taxes spent on the rich and fewer on the poor.

    SOME of that is justified, but I simply do not want our politicians taking money (bribes) from either side. With public funding of campaigns our politicians would be working for US and not THEM!

  • lovinspoonful

    It’s all over the news and the internet. Yes, Obama actually tells them what to cut and where.

  • lovinspoonful

    Or, they are laying people off, or paying the penalty.

  • lovinspoonful

    You are doing the same by attacking another person in here for the way he comments. There is nothing wrong with his comments; however, yours are rude and insulting which make you look low class. Drop it. That is trivial and has nothing to do with the topic.

  • lovinspoonful

    Or lay off employees which a lot of them are doing.

  • Redhotchilli Pepper

    the ones that do not negotiate

  • Randall Jones

    I speak of the proposed exemption of the employers. ( that’s in the bill that was sent to the House and rejected) You probably haven’t heard of it or seen it because its only been on every news channel except MSNBC. The president does not want to implement the entire AHA law. He wants to delay requiring employers to participate until 2014. Which if you haven’t figured out – is after the 2014 elections.

  • lovinspoonful

    Nothing I researched indicated that. It simply says companies are dropping insurance for spouses because they can’t afford it.

  • lovinspoonful

    No where does it say that. Spouses are being dropped due to the cost.

  • lovinspoonful

    A lot of people are also losing their jobs due to companies laying off people because they cannot afford the insurance. Walgreen’s, Cleveland Clinic, and 300 other companies are laying off people, hospitals are laying off nurses all due to Obamacare.

  • lovinspoonful

    It is fact that the MSM rarely reports the news anyway and if they do it is inaccurate due to their omissions.

  • lovinspoonful

    Obama cut Medicare by $700 billion. What do you think that does for seniors? We are paying for your insurance.

  • lovinspoonful

    You drink the Kool-Aide.

  • Curious Yet Bored

    I know one thing, you can tell a mans character by his behavior under stress. Closing the memorials and parks and threatening to arrest 90 yo Veterans is an UGLY indicator of Obama’s character. Those memorials are not ever closed even during all other shutdowns so this is a political ploy of his. His skin might be light brown but his heart is pure black.

  • lovinspoonful

    I don’t believe Jennifer inferred that at all. You just like putting your own interpretation on things. Liberal are we?

  • jacklohman

    No, and as I’ve said before, I’ve voted republican (virtually) all my life. Though I am NOT right-wing fringe. We have a serious problem with greed and corruption at the top, and until we voters (left AND right) wake up, we are screwed as a nation.

  • Curious Yet Bored

    Well the cut to hours and jobs altogether cannot be denied. Well you can, but it will have nothing to do with facts. These people cannot afford that and neither can the country.

  • Cheryl Roberts

    THE GOP STARTED THE FIRE AND ARE SOLELY TO BLAME. FOR HEAVENS SAKE IT WAS A 6 WEEK SPENDING GAP MEASURE – NOT THE BUDGET ETC. AND THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT WAS PASSED BY CONGRESS AND UPHELD BY THE SUPREME COURT. AND IN CASE YOU FORGOT IT WAS A MAJOR ISSUE IN THE REELECTION OF OBAMA – WHO BY THE WAY TROUNCED, SMASHED AND BEAT ROMNEY IN A HUGE ELECTORAL ADVANTAGE.
    THE STOCK MARKET IS PLUNGING AND SO ARE EVERYONE’S SAVINGS. A MERE 30 GOP DO NOT AND SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO CONTROL THE GOVERNMENT. this time you may support the cause – but what if DEMS were to do that to something you dearly love and support. you would be outraged that a mere 30 men and women could stop a law and the government.

  • Rev

    We, the People, are to blame. We all saw it coming. We’ve been
    watching this pissing match since the Obama’s first primary in 2008. I
    do not like Obama Care and I will have none of it. The shut down has no
    impact on it and it just a bullshit move. Yet here We The People sit,
    WAITING. Why are we waiting?

    They are ignoring We the People.

    Why are we not all on their doorsteps?

    Why are we not in the streets?
    Is it too much trouble?

    I rest my case.
    Rev LgG

  • Rev

    Yes – dictatorship.
    The dictatorship bloomed under Bush Sr. allowing for the deepest of corruption through deregulation of business. From that point on – it has been corporate dictatorial rule through the Office of POTUS.

    The corruption is throughout. This pres. is just the latest pres.

  • jcollins

    the problem is the government, they are elected to do the job that us people can’t do, there spending and waste is the problem. if the Congress & the President live on what we make just how long do you think they would make it. i think that the President take’s too many Libertys on what he call’s vacations, i mean it’s ok to take 1 sure, but if you or i take 1 the money comes out of our pocket, so i think he should pay out of his own pocket instead of our’s for all of those that he can’t really afford. the shut down is because of the congress voting for raises for them self when they don’t deserve one cause they haven’t done what they are suppose to be doing for us people that elected them to do the job. this is how the nation is going to be all shut down. among all of those people that got layed off, just how many are there that are wishing that they didn’t Vote for Obama now, this is just the begaining* and Obama care is the tip of the iceburg, cause once that kicks in good we All are doomed.

  • Randall Jones

    If there are no exemptions then Kathleen Sebelius, the Secretary of Health and Human Service, is going to be shocked to learn that she is wrong. This morning, on Fox 29 in Philadelphia, she admitted that not all employers are included in the current “signup”. This includes the company’s that employ more than 50 employees. This was announced by the Obama administration on July 2, 2013. Just in case you missed it. So if not requiring large companies to offer insurance while requiring, under penalty of law, small, less than 50 employees, isn’t an exemption then you out of your mind.

  • Dan

    Why am I reading this, it appears that everyone else on this site is uber conservative and are aghast that a black man is president, not once, but twice. If you thnk anyone but Boehner is responsible for this shutdown, you also think the world is flat/cavemen ran from dinosaurs/and the Bible is more than a suggestion. I shouldn’t be surprised at the ignorance of the right. they have been drinking the kool-aid for sometime. The believe the right has any other agenda than lining their own pockets.
    Dan

  • Casey Marion

    Don’t shoot the messenger. He would do well to consider what I said.
    He trashes himself, I just pointed out how he comes across to others. I’m sorry if the truth offends you, too.

  • Casey Marion

    This isn’t a fact based claim, the net effect of millions additional insured individuals is job growth. The data doesn’t support a net job loss among part time workers whatsoever.

  • FactsOnlyPlease554

    This is NOT about POTUS being a black man. This is about POTUS being an elitist and using cronyism to give exemptions to his big business buddies and the “royalty” politicians. He’s being UNFAIR by using his position to give exemptions and he can’t change a law that has been passed but he does it anyway for his friends. If Harry Reid and Nancy Palosie refuse to participate in Obamacare…what’s wrong with it? And if Obama is giving waivers….what does he know that we don’t know?

  • Casey Marion

    You’ve yet to prove a point.

  • Casey Marion

    What is “MSM?”
    When I google this acronym it evidently means “Men who have Sex with Men, a medical and social research designation.”

  • Casey Marion

    This is a complete lie, a total propaganda sound bite.

  • Casey Marion

    That’s not due to ACA. But the “donut hole” under Medicare Part D is being closed under ACA

  • Casey Marion

    You’re only without coverage if you choose not to purchase coverage, or are close to poverty level and can’t afford to purchase it in a state who has refused to expand the medicaid program there.

  • Casey Marion

    MSM? Really? Why don’t you goole that acronym…..

  • Casey Marion

    That’s about as baseless and factless a claim I’ve seen yet.
    What part of the GOP refusing to continue to fund the Govt with a Continuing Resolution do you fail to comprehend?

    When the gov’t goes without funding many services & functions close. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Obama choosing to do this. Wake up and educate yourself, rather than making wildly erroneous ridiculous claims.

  • Lucy

    I believe the people that voted for Obamacare are to blame. They voted for a bill that they did not read. They do not want to be covered under that heathcare, but are demanding that everyone else have it. I do not know of anyone that signs a contract before reading it. People have had hours cut, for employers to follow the mandates. Why should a 27 year old male pay more than a 27 year old female? This law should be forced on the President and the rest of the lot that voted for it. No laws should be forced on Americans when Congress do not have to follow them. They should not be treated any different than anyone else. This just shows the American people how incompetent or arrogant Lawmakers are. Shame on all of them for not reading and discussing this before they passed it.

  • Casey Marion

    False. How ridiculous.
    What they offered was absurd.
    For example:
    “Can I kill your parents?
    No
    Can I kill just your Mom?
    No
    Just your Dad?
    NO
    You’re not COMPROMISING!!!!”

  • Casey Marion

    Democrats in the senate passed a budget in May (McConnell couldn’t filibuster it like he does everything else because it’s a budget bill), and then Reid tried 18 times to go to conference with house Republicans (which McConnell did obstruct). Meanwhile in the House Boehner refused to meet with the senate to hammer out a budget. Didn’t even bother to pass anything til last week. And NOW he wants to go to conference?

  • Lucy

    The President also had the money and time to sit for a portrait of himself durning this money crunch

  • Lucy

    Wait till 2014 when people are going to have to claim their heath insurance as income and pay tax on it.

  • Lucy

    Insurance companies can’t cover existing conditions and millions of others that pay little to no cost and keep premiums low. If this care is so great. You should be demanding all government workers have Obamacare, as we are stuck paying their premiums.

  • Donalda Dalrymple

    They are all to Blame starting with the President and working the way down!! If they cared about America and The people like they say they would ALL put on their big girl panties and grow up

  • lovinspoonful

    So how is that different than the way it is now. If you are poor you can’t afford health isurance now and you can’t afford it through Obamacare. so what’s the difference? You still have millions without insurance. And explain to me with the senior have to fund your health insurance. Obamas cut $700 billion from Medicare. Medicare premiums have gone up, deductibles are sky high and 300 large companies have had to lay off employees to pay the insurance. Wow! That’s really a wonderful health insurance plan isn’t it? (sarcasm)

  • lovinspoonful

    Now I know why you know nothing about what is really going on with Obamacare. You don’t watch the news. MSM is an acronym for Main Stream Media – the leftist or liberal media.

  • lovinspoonful

    Oh really? You wish! Research it and see what you get. Now I know you don’t watch the news.

  • lovinspoonful

    Sorry to disillusion but it is fact based. What job growth? Who is talking about part time workers? I’m not. What do you do. Dream this stuff at night?

  • lovinspoonful

    There is no discussion about part-timers.

  • deserveliberty

    Ummm… A) All those departments are under Obama’s control. Plainly, he runs that branch of government. B) The “it’s the law” argument is specious (look it up) and already stale. It is absurd to contend that Congress cannot undo a law that was put in place by a previous congress, otherwise, why have a congress? But of course, that is exactly what the tyrant democrat wing wants to move toward, dictatorship by fiat and a figurehead rubber stamp congress.

  • Casey Marion

    ACA also known as Obamacare is primarily the opportunity for uninsured purchasing insurance from private insurers. Federal workers are covered by their employer, like the majority of the population of the US that isn’t retired & on Medicare.

  • deserveliberty

    Gee, that really sounds like “we have to pass it to see what’s in it.” Perfect.

    When the government compels a business to accept high-risk clients AND the government compels them to provide a specified set of services AND the government sets limits on the price that the business can charge, how will the business stay in business other than to raise the rates everywhere else they can? In fact, is that then actually an Insurance company” or is it merely an arm of a government agency implementing government policy while masquerading as a business? Or, is it merely and more plainly the implementation of fascist government?

  • Casey Marion

    Demand is what creates jobs. Millions of additional insured individuals will require services of insurers, office staff, healthcare providers. Simple.
    Unemployment is declining as well.

  • Casey Marion

    Again, that’s false. Yes, this data is readily available.

  • Casey Marion

    Data & facts do not support your claim.

  • Casey Marion

    Oh, you mean corporate owned media? You are aware that the majority of major news outlets are owned by just a couple multi-national corporations?
    That’s why the “main stream media” has a right bias.

  • Casey Marion

    I tend to do far more research, read original source documents than watch news. Research & reliable data are the basis for my positions.

  • Casey Marion

    Its a blatant lie that Obama has “cut” $700 billion. Its pure right-wing extremist propaganda, and has been repeatedly debunked.
    What Obama & Congress did with ACA was to address some inefficiencies in the Medicare system, which SAVES $700 billion over the next ten years or so.
    Seniors don’t have to fund my health insurance. I’ve got excellent coverage through my employer. Nor do seniors have to fund anyone else’s at their own expense, unless they’re wealthy & do so through the portion of their taxes that goes to subsidize the poor & the VA care for military.

  • Casey Marion

    Some basic facts, so you can get some accurate information on this topic. Pretty much all your claims are wildly erroneous.

    http://mediamatters.org/research/2013/10/01/15-myths-the-media-should-ignore-during-obamaca/196181

  • Casey Marion
  • Casey Marion

    You lack even a rudimentary comprehension of the legislative process. Your claims are wildly false and ridiculous.

  • Casey Marion

    The lunatic fringe wing-nuts are in a rabid frenzied repeating of this lie. Completely baseless.

  • Casey Marion

    Where do you come up with these ridiculous & outrageously false claims? Total nonsense!
    Why do these types of lies appeal to you?

  • Casey Marion

    Where do you come up with such totally erroneous ridiculously false claims?
    You clearly have no idea whatsoever what you’re talking about!

  • Casey Marion

    Uh, under ACA females no longer can be charged higher premiums than males the same age.

    The claim that Congress is exempt is a popular right wing propaganda lie.

  • Casey Marion

    Actually, the 45,000 who die each year in the US directly due to being denied care because they can’t get insurance are no longer “doomed.”

    Nor are those who hit their lifetime $max. caps. This is no longer allowed under ACA.
    You’d do well to gain some facts & information on this topic, instead of rambling on parroting the ditto head propaganda & lies.

  • Ann Frederick-Owens

    Obama is to blame. And as for Obama being about having insurance for everyone that is not what Obama care is about. It is about the government taking over health care and when they do people will be sorry.

  • Judith77

    Prohibition, Slavery. No we don’t negotiate with bad laws.

  • Judith77

    Healthcare has always been available. Even through online… just like car insurance. einsurance.com is one. They’ve always had low cost insurance for children as well. It is unAmerican and destructive to force anyone into buying something they don’t want. It’s expensive and unsustainable.They quietly removed ‘free’ from the site. lol… It’s extremely ridiculous to furlough STRATCOM, War Memorials.. etc… what a dictator the zero is.

  • lovinspoonful

    They are not false and they are not lies I suggest you actually listen to the news and find out what is really going on and not what you just imagine. How dare you accuse me of lying. Wake up and pay attention to what is going on in this nation. I know that is difficult for a liberal troll to understand.

  • lovinspoonful

    ROFLMAO! Fried brain.

  • lovinspoonful

    Delusional. What a shame.

  • lovinspoonful

    You are a total fool with no knowledge of the truth and believe any untruth that is told to you by another liberal.

  • lovinspoonful

    Looks like you messed up and got into the wrong data.

  • Casey Marion

    ACA primarily means you can purchase insurance if you don’t have coverage. It has nothing to do with anyone “knowing your medical business.”
    It has nothing whatsoever to do with “inexperienced government people determining your medical care.”
    This is totally untrue.

    ACA prohibits insurers from denying or canceling coverage if you get sick, or preventing you from purchasing insurance.

    Its truly sad that you are so woefully ill informed, and spread paranoia & misinformation.

    I asked you why these lies you repeat appeal to you? What is it about extremist propaganda that makes you believe it?

  • lovinspoonful

    Yours either.

  • Casey Marion

    Listening to lunatic fringe hate-mongers on talk radio doesn’t count as “the news,” either.

  • lovinspoonful

    So have you.

  • lovinspoonful

    What appeals to you about the lies you tell? the propaganda you put out is ridiculous and untrue. but you believe whatever left extremist propaganda you want to if it keeps you ignorant and happy.

  • Casey Marion

    Specifically what facts or data do you have to refute what I’ve said on which point?

  • Buck hartley

    No question about it. Demanding defunding of a law adjudicated by the Supreme Court as legal has nothing to do with funding the government. The Republican Party is at fault; particularly the far right wing.

  • lovinspoonful

    Most of it. Oh, as to your statement that socialized medicine is successful in many countries. You are wrong – it isn’t. Do some research such as I did and you will find that it is not successful.

  • Casey Marion

    Make that educated, successful & happy. I’m not interested in propaganda, only factually accurate data & information.
    I find politics interesting, and I do like promoting factually accurate information that helps to dispel the paranoia & fear based disinformation so many believe and repeat.

    It fascinates me that these types of lies appeal to people. And I do attempt to understand what attraction they hold for some. Most of it is so ridiculous!

  • Casey Marion

    Specifically, what do you disagree with.
    I’m very familiar with global healthcare issues among other developed nations.
    Every other developed country has some form of universal coverage. The avg. cost per capita is about half that of what is spent in the US leaving millions uninsured, at twice the price, with worse outcomes.

  • Casey Marion

    Specifically, what source of facts and data do you have to support your claim?
    Every other developed nation in the world has some form of universal health care, except the US.
    They’re not all socialized medicine.”

    “Socialized” means the Govt owns the means of distribution. The only “socialized medicine” we have in the US is the VA system.

    On average, the US spends about $8k per person, while leaving millions uninsured. As a result, 45k people per year die in the US as a result of being denied needed care because they’re uninsured. Millions are pushed into bankruptcy as well due to medical bills.
    This simply isn’t the case in any other first world country.
    Our health outcomes are worse than most other developed countries as well. Sad.

  • Casey Marion

    Here is a link to information comparing industrialized countries & healthcare.

    I’ve read a couple hundred other similar articles, reports, & journal articles on this topic:

    http://www.commonwealthfund.org/~/media/Files/Publications/Issue%20Brief/2011/Jul/1532_Squires_US_hlt_sys_comparison_12_nations_intl_brief_v2.pdf

  • Casey Marion

    Then provide some data to back up your assertions & claims, refuting mine.

    No, I do my own extensive research on this topic. I’m well versed in Federal Code & Regulations (background, education, training), and have read much of the actual ACA Bill myself.

    What I state has nothing to do with what anyone else has told me. I base it only on factually accurate reports & reliable data.

    Here’s a link with the bill in a nice format so you can read it yourself:
    http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/final-health-reform-bill-patient-protection-and-affordable-care-act.aspx

  • Casey Marion

    Here is some info on the Medicare cut propaganda claim. Its not a cut to beneficiaries benefits, its a cost savings :
    “Under the new law, the overall Medicare budget is projected to go up for the foreseeable future. The health care law tries to limit that growth, making it less than it would have been without the law, but not reducing its overall budget.”
    “Because Medicare spending gets bigger every year, the cost-saving mechanisms in the health care law also get bigger. Also, it takes a few years for the health care law’s savings mechanisms to kick in. In fact, the effects of time are the main reason the $500 billion number has turned into $700 billion.

    The CBO determined in 2011 that the federal health care law would reduce Medicare outlays by $507 billion between 2012 and 2021. In a more recent estimate released this year, the CBO looked at the years 2013 to 2022 and determined the health care law affected Medicare outlays by $716 billion.

    So it’s timing that’s making the cuts bigger, not changes to Medicare.”

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/15/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-said-barack-obama-first-history-rob-me/

  • Casey Marion
  • Abigail5

    WE ARE! We elected each and every one and have impeached none. The United States is being called into action for their own country, but most seem to think that it will just “take care of itself” and feel no cry to action. America … you had better move, and quickly.

  • Lucy

    Our President and the Democrates in the Senate are to blame for the shut down. They have put laws on the country that they would not follow themselves but want other Americans to follow. There has been NO DISCUSSIONS on any subject since this President has come into office. He has separated the country by race, money, and religion. We have never had such a fractured country.

  • Lucy

    If the law is so great. Why hasn’t the President , Nancy Pelocie and Harry Reid been the first to sign up? Why has the government encouraged racial divide and ingored the racial attacks that are going around the country? Why if he wants to “Leave established laws alone” has he not enforced the laws in the Constitutions?

  • Lucy

    I don’t think the shutdown will hurt as many as you say. I think if the government would be honest with the budget that they would be able to cut 1/3 of the people out of the government. They are paid more than the private sector and have better benefits than most. Manybe they should combine their retirement system and pay government workers like they do the rest of us on Social Security. We would not have Senators that are in the Senate for 4 years getting pensions over $100,000.00 per year.

  • Lucy

    You insinuate that this is duplicate coverage for spouses. Many are not duplicate, the company will only cover the person working that they have to under the law

  • Janice Flake

    Who is to blame? The Tea Partiers and John Boehner!!!

  • Lucy

    Unforunately, we have all done this, and that is why we are in this mess. We have allowed the people in office to make laws to destroy the freedoms we have. They are planning to destroy the country because we have been silent.

  • Lucy

    Casey,
    Fulltime workers are becoming Partime. Don’t you understand what is happening in the country? Why do you think so many people are up in arms over the heathcare law? They passed a bill without even READING IT! Yet they do not want that same coverage. I don’t know what is needed, but maybe a shut-down of the government is it.

  • Dale Alison

    Simple answer: John Boehner is to blame. He knows there are enough votes to pass a C.R. without the Obamacare provision that will get the government back to functioning. He won’t do it.

  • disqus_9Kum238D8y

    Both parties are to blame. Dems and Repubs are the two sides of the same coin. They create mole hills like this to line their pockets with money (yep, both are indeed using this shutdown to raise funds for their parties) and turn them into mountains to raise even more mountains of cash. Once both sides have fleeced their followers with the “appropriate” sum, then one of them will decide to “cave in” in the name of doing what’s right for the country. Stop voting for incumbents. Stop voting for Dems and Repubs.

  • MaeBelle Barger

    Obama and Harry Reid and the Senate Democrats who refuse to negotiate….their way or the highway…this is not reasonable….

  • lovinspoonful

    Almost everything you have spewed out. Bu you keep right on believing all the propaganda and lies that you believe to be true but don’t try to push it on those who know better.

  • lovinspoonful

    ROFLMAO!

  • SJB

    Who is to blame?

    Look no further than the mirror.

    We the people are.
    We, all of us, Democrat, Republican, Independents, etc. elected these incompetent, grandstanding, greedy, self-serving oligarchs.

  • Tracie Faigenblat

    The tea party!!!! We voted for Obama!! We new he wanted a health care for all. We reelected him!! The majority of Americans want obamacare. They have had 7 years to debate this issue. The bill needs to pass and the tea party needs to stop their antics!!! Nothing is perfect so instead of fighting the health care law fund a way to make it better. Congress should go without pay until this issue is resolved!!!!!

  • Tracie Faigenblat

    The costs will go down when poor people are able to stop using the er as their doctor. They don’t pay so it drives up costs. The situation is getting worse as the poor get poorer and the rich get richer. There are other ways medical costs will go down also. U pay less now with Obamacare and my son can be covered under my insurance plus now if you have a previous condition the insurance companies can’t reject you. As when Medicare first went into affect there will need to be some changes but in the long run its going to make our country stronger

  • Casey Marion

    All presidents use executive orders. Obama far less than others. If you fact check your claim, or do a bit of research on this issue, vs. simply parroting soundbites and talking points so common in right-wing extremist propaganda, you would know that. Instead you buy into the fear-mongering.

    Can you articulate a specific example, or incidents of Obama’s use of executive order that you disagree with, and why?

  • Casey Marion

    In order for us to understand your objection to Obama’s use of executive orders, please contrast the examples of his use of executive order with those executive orders issued by previous presidents, and explain how they differ.

    Pretty easy, since you claim Obama has uniquely used executive orders improperly, you would, of course, be quite familiar with the basis for your claim!

  • Casey Marion

    Do you have any data, sources, or facts to refute anything I’ve stated yet?
    I don’t see any links, fact, data, or research to support your claims.

  • Casey Marion

    That’s an extraordinarily low-brow response. In other words you have nothing in the way of facts, data, reports to back up your assertion?

    I’d love to see the basis and facts you’re using to support your claim that Obama individually, and singularly, is personally making the decisions as to where all the specific governmental shut down cuts are made.

  • lovinspoonful

    Not true. another one of your false facts.

  • lovinspoonful

    Your comment about “Many would do well to get some actual facts” also applies to you. Where do you get the idea you are always right and everyone else is always wrong? Such arrogance on your part.

  • lovinspoonful

    Fzalse info again.

  • lovinspoonful

    Ho Hum!

  • lovinspoonful

    And you make yourself look very arrogant and egotistical.

  • lovinspoonful

    Your final comment “I am a fool (chortle, guttural noises). made you look more ignorant and low class and makes you look like more of a fool.

  • lovinspoonful

    Casey is just another liberal sheeple.

  • lovinspoonful

    Let me explain it so you will understand it. The purpose of executive orders is to help offficers and agencies of the executive branch manage the operations within the Federal Government itself. Obama’s executive orders regarding gun control, martial law, claiming we cannot oppose himn n anything or say anything against him, or bypassing congress has nothing to do with the operation of the executive branch. Kapish?

  • lovinspoonful

    Discussion with you is futile because you believe all the lies and propaganda you have been fed. I am not wasting my time any longer. I hope when you finally wake up it won’t be too difficult for you.

  • Black and White

    If the progressives(dem.) really had the welfare of the country they would be applying all their resources to bring this country back to health. Limit immigration, limit importation of goods from labor exploited countries, Stop these massive trade imbalances and make maintaining the Sovereignty of The United States of America their top priority. Instead their answer is to increase the scope of government into every facet of our lives, all the while suppressing enterprise from exiting within the borders of America.
    When the government becomes the largest employer….we have a serious problem!
    Government cannot do God’s work!

  • Black and White

    All bills for spending MUST originate in the House of Representatives! The senate can only vote on them, make changes and resubmit to the house for a vote. You may want to read the constitution.

  • Mr knowitall

    Harry Reid.

  • Marie Hall

    OVOMIT AND HARRY REID….

  • Casey Marion

    Please review the process in place for the budget.
    There are 5 key steps
    1-President submits request
    2-House & Senate pass budget resolutions
    3-appropriations committees from both draft appropriations bills
    4-House & Senate vote on appropriations bills, reconciling differences
    5-President signs each appropriations bill

    A continuing resolution is used when budget process isn’t completed by Oct1 to continue agency funding until full budget is in place, providing temporary funding until the new appropriations bills become law

  • Casey Marion

    Take a look into the Art 1, Sec 7 interpretations, particularly US v Munoz-Flores, 1990, also the practice of “blue-slipping”

  • Casey Marion

    So you support allowing the re-importation of military style weapons to the US for private sale & allowing felons to bypass background checks by purchasing them through the use of a corporate name?
    Please give some reference to what the number is for the EO regarding martial law.
    The only place I’ve seen that claim is in right-wing extremist type chain emails that have been thoroughly debunked & discredited.

  • Casey Marion

    Not true, please provide a reference for your claim.

  • Casey Marion

    Don’t shoot the messenger… If that’s how you choose to present yourself, at least recognize this is how you will be heard & viewed.
    If you can’t articulate an effective cogent thought or idea, you only detract from any point you’re attempting to make with such verbiage. You present yourself as very immature & quite dull. But if that’s what you want, go for it!

  • Casey Marion

    Parroting mindless ditto head sound bites isn’t an effective argument to support your assertions.

  • Jazzer Cat

    Oh come on people Romney would have given us much the same type of health care as this program was based off the one he put into effect in his state. He wasn’t the full cause of the shut down it seems when adults are in dead luck they fight in was that cause everyone pain. This is totally wrong. They all need to grow up and get over it and go on. Frankly they need to put this whole issue out in the open so we can go over it and put it to a vote and let us decide. Who’s to blame all of them ALL OF THEM

  • Casey Marion

    It’s a commonly repeated propaganda piece repeated often by right-wing that “they” aren’t covered by this law as well. That claim is false & debunked. If no one ever read it how was it ever written in the first place?

  • Casey Marion

    Facts are, by definition, always true. That’s what makes them facts.

  • lovinspoonful

    Must be fun to love yourself so much that only you know the facts. Arrogance, thy name is Casey. I am done with you.

  • lovinspoonful

    ROFLMAO!

  • Casey Marion

    It’s easy to be right if you have a factual basis for your statements, and verify the information & data.

  • lovinspoonful

    What are you taking about? Just put your own interpretation on what I said if it makes you happy.

  • lovinspoonful

    In your mind only.

  • lovinspoonful

    Yes, too bad you don’t know any.

  • Casey Marion

    You oppose Obamas EO on gun control. That’s what’s in it. So if you oppose it, that means you oppose what was in it.

  • Casey Marion

    Yes, facts ARE insufferably arrogant things…,

    “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
    — John Adams

  • lovinspoonful

    Go for it. Whatever makes you happy.

  • Casey Marion

    Are you ever capable of supporting your statements or claims?

  • Casey Marion

    That is an ignorant statement. I can back up what I say with data. You have yet to do so in any way, shape or form.
    Sounds like typical GOP type projection.

  • Devon McOmber McPherson

    Obamacare has already hurt my health insurance. My premiums for my family went up $300 a month as well as everyone else who teaches in my school district because of the ACA. I’m trying to live on “teacher’s pay” helping to educate our little Kindergarten aged children and because of this ridiculous law my premiums go up so I can pay for other peoples insurance. Ummmm….I’m confused why anyone would see this as a good thing.

  • Casey Marion

    Why do you believe your premium increase was due to ACA?

  • Thomas Sullivan

    Casey would have you believe they that these people don’t matter, because they are in lower paying jobs.

  • Casey Marion

    Actually, progressives support a number of these issues, while the GOP opposes anything that restricts “free trade,” aka mass exploitation of the majority by the wealthy minority, multinational corporations.
    The GOP seeks to inflict as much economic damage as possible as a calculated means of obstructing Obama & the Dems. They will stop at nothing in their attempt to create economic failure that can be blamed on the President.

  • Casey Marion

    The willful ignorance and apathy of the majority has resulted in far too many sucking up the well funded corporate plutocrat’s propaganda & soundbites faster than a stale Waffle House biscuit sops up sausage gravy on a southern Sunday morning!

  • Laverl Turley

    President Obama and his buddy Reid.

  • Lucy

    So your saying companies that drop the family plan and will only cover the employee are not true. Wake -up it is happpening every day with many companies that have more than 100 employees. These people are now faced with finding insurance for the rest of their family. I know of several people that were told they will get to keep the family plan. It will cost an wextra $50.00 and there will be less coveage for all of them.

  • lovinspoonful

    Casey does not impress me at all. I know from my sources the destruction that is happening to our country. As the saying goes, “There are none so blind as those who will not see.”

  • anti-stupid

    I don’t BLAME anyone! I thank the republicans for shutting down the government. After all, every day the government is (so called) shut down, is another day we live under just a little less tyranny!

  • Timothy

    Please supply the facts and verify them so we can understand.

  • jlfonz1

    Are you really THAT clueless?
    And by “people” I mean specifically Cindy Vinson and Tom Waschura, who are Bay Area residents “floored” by the cost of their health insurance now that their plans conform to Obamacare requirements.

    They voted for Obama. Twice. And they’re “big believers” in Obamacare. And like thousands and thousands of other Americans across the country, they’re finding out just how unaffordable the Affordable Healthcare Act is going to be for people. Neither had pre-existing conditions. Vinson is a 60 year old retired teacher, and Waschura is a 52-year old self employed engineer. And check out what Waschura had to say:

    “I was laughing at Boehner — until the mail came today. I really don’t like the Republican tactics, but at least now I can understand why they are so pissed about this. When you take $10,000 out of my family’s pocket each year, that’s otherwise disposable income or retirement savings that will not be going into our local economy.”

    http://chicksontheright.com/posts/item/24804-wait-you-mean-obamacare-isn-t-free-whaaaaaa

  • SJB

    Willful ignorance?Seems to me it’s more along the lines of programmed.
    When the source of your daily “news” edits, spins and flagrantly disregards facts how can most be anything other than ignorant?
    Apathy?
    Just reading all the laying-o-the blame posts here tells me that people aren’t apathetic just woefully misinformed.

  • OldmanRick

    Well, let’s see. Apparently there is more than enough blame to go around. However, the burden of guilt for this dustup lies with both the jackasses and repugnuts. Their petty philosophical squabbles have led to a situation where politics is everything and the health and welfare of both the citizenry and country seem secondary if even considered at all.

    Regardless of the pontificating and bloviating, it seems this apparent fiasco is nothing more than who has the bigger sexual member, and America be dammed in the process. Yet, it is much, much more than that. The jackasses want control of the senate and house in 2014 to allow the brat to finish his destruction of the Constitution and any remnants of a Republic. The repugnuts are trying to stop this process. To do so, they must maintain control of the house and capture the senate in 2014. That’s really what all this apparent BS is about – the saving our Constitution and Republic.

    As far as it goes, getting rid of the obnoxious, Obama lapdog Reid does have its upside. One less real jackass to destroy the country. It also puts some serious checks and balances on the Marxist, Muslim brotherhood loving brat. If the Senate changes hands and the house remains in the hands of the repugnuts, the Constitution and remnants of the Republic will be maintained. Ergo, the repugnuts have the better plan, IMHO.

  • Richard

    I guess I might be able to see your side of it IF………………..The democrats had passed a budget in the past 5 years (ALSO in the constitution) and by law required. I’ll assume you are like the politicians too…the law only applies if it’s for MY side! Frankly I would prefer ALL of them get booted out and start over. ESPECIALLY with health care. I will NEVER agree that they have the right to force me to buy something I don’t want just because I work and pay taxes.

  • ThatGuy76

    How about Obama kicking people off federal land that have homes there or business’s there? Don’t believe me, here is the story so you can see for yourself that Obama will tell some people whatever and people like you will listen and follwo no matter how wrong it is!
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/07/lawmakers-probe-reports-property-owners-kicked-off-federal-land-amid-partial/

  • Lorena Townsend

    Oh yes, because FOX is so reliable. I’ve tried to trace this story and It’s one of those that started in one place and keeps getting recycled which I call chasing its own tail. Not credible.

  • Lorena Townsend

    Why don’t you share the wealth of information you have then with links to back it up? We are not the ones living in fear and paranoia, you and your ilk are. Turn off faux news and do some reading. Follow some of those links that Casey keeps giving you and educate yourself. Also I suggest not ROFLYAOF, I think it may be impairing your ability to think for yourself.

  • lovinspoonful

    I am well educated thank you. The ability to think for yourself seems to be your problem, not mine. I have no problem thinking for myself unlike you – that is why I seem to be more aware of what is going on than you and Casey. What a shame you are so ignorant of what is going on. Just keep deluding yourselves that you know it all.

  • Dennis Bednarek

    Both sides are equally to fault. The Republican side for trying to put something into the budget bill that they know will never be acceptable to both the Senate and President. The President and Senate is at fault for not sitting at a table and discussing the budget. But the most fault now lays in the hands of the Speaker of the House for not allowing a vote on the Budget bill that already passed the Senate. If it fails the house then negotiations could take a next step if it passed it would over with.

  • Casey Marion

    We are all “forced” to participate in Social Security and Medicare, and as a nation we are far better off as a result.
    Every other developed nation has some form of national health coverage as well.
    ACA, in this case, is the Heritage Foundation, originally a GOP idea, implemented as Romneycare in MA, the privatized means by which the need to provide for the health insurance needs of the country are met.

    ACA includes a federal requirement that you purchase health insurance, and it subsidizes the cost for lower income families & individuals, rather than utilizing a tax, like SS & Medicare, to address the need for personal responsibility in addressing the very real economic liability the uninsured pose to the rest of us, who are left paying for the costs associated with some care, and the bills that don’t get paid when millions are bankrupted by healthcare costs.
    Its a requirement, like house insurance, and car insurance, that personal responsibility be taken to at least partially ensure we have adequate means to pay for the very real liability we pose to society, as a result of not being able to pay, in the event of a healthcare need arising.
    Just as you are required to pay certain taxes, you are now required to obtain healthcare coverage. Most do so through their employer

  • Casey Marion

    The employer mandate was delayed until 2015. If companies are doing so now, that’s for cost containment reasons.

  • Casey Marion

    Each federal agency determines what their cuts will be in the event of a reduction in services as a result of a shutdown, furloughing non-essential personnel…. to claim that Obama, personally, micro-manages all these agencies to such an extent as to personally make each and every one of these decisions & determinations is positively ludicrous!

    If someone lives on leased federal land, when the government workers who supply services to these areas are laid off, directly as a result of the failure of the GOP to pass a continuing resolution, these areas are closed. Each Federal Agency, makes their own determinations as to how they will handle budget constraints resulting in 800,000 employees being with responsibility for services are laid off. Not Obama personally.

  • Casey Marion

    Please remember, Fox isn’t news at all, its right-wing propaganda & entertainment specifically designed to tell the right wing low-information type individuals what they want to hear. It has nothing to do with legitimate news or facts whatsoever.

  • Casey Marion

    Sources, you have sources? Have yet to see a single shred of evidence or facts yet to support any of these “destruction that is happening to our country” assertions!

    Please be aware that this specific phrase is commonly used in the most extremist lunatic fringe right wing-nut propaganda, and fear-mongering, btw. Its pretty much a dog whistle for the lowest part of the TeaBilly base.

  • Casey Marion

    What specific information are you interested in?

    Here is information on the Cleveland Clinc, frequently mentioned in some of the job cut propaganda. The reality is, of course, quite different:

    Eileen Sheil, Cleveland Clinic’s Executive Director of Corporate Communications, states,”We’ve been working on reducing costs for years…”We felt health-care reform was absolutely necessary. This is the new normal. This is where hospitals have to focus to be viable in the long run. This is not doomsday for the clinic. We’re still growing — we’re still hiring. The hardest thing is when it affects people.”

    Actually, much of what the Cleveland Clinic system is doing follows the recommendations of health-care analysts closely. For example, it has consolidated closely located neonatal intensive care units, because high volumes tend to lead to better results. It’s working to reduce the number of procedures its staff performs, since in the current system “physicians are rewarded to do more, not to do the right thing for the patient,” as Sheil put it. And there’s a new focus on chronic diseases, which are an increasingly important and costly area for treatment.

    Think of it this way: These are all steps that the Cleveland Clinic was likely to take, but Obamacare implementation is acting as a catalyst, spurring the clinic to adopt them now rather than on a slower timeline.”

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/09/obamacare-isnt-really-taking-away-jobs-cleveland-clinic-edition/279834/

  • Casey Marion

    Seriously? “Chicks on the Right” as a source…..

    Here is the rest of that story, and what the “Chicks” are cherry-picking

    http://www.mercurynews.com/nation-world/ci_24248486/obamacares-winners-and-losers-bay-area

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=738099121 Bob Bonner

    Dick Nixon

  • Jane Doe

    Completely agrees Stuart. I’m sick of watching people suffer because some greedy cheapskates refuse to help the poor.

  • Darknut

    The Democrats DID produce budgets in the last 5 years. Every year in fact as required by the constitution. They were blocked by the Obstructionist party. End of story. Republicans blaming Obama for not passing a budget is like John Wilks Booth blaming Lincoln for missing the third act of that play.

  • Demsrdumb

    Very true…..and they sure don’t like it when folks challenge them either…..it’s actually quite commical to watch what they do, when they are challenged……

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