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IRS pays illegals $4.2 billion while stalling tea parties

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LEGAL RESIDENTS ONLY: Sen. Charles Grassley says it was never Congress’ intent for the IRS to issue tax-credit checks to people in this country illegally.


By Kenric Ward | Watchdog.org

WASHINGTON, D.C. — While harrying and stalling tea party groups seeking nonprofit status, the Internal Revenue Service mailed $4.2 billion in child-credit checks to undocumented immigrants.

Critics say midlevel IRS bureaucrats continue to abuse the Additional Child Tax Credit program by dispensing $1,000 checks to families in this country illegally.

“The law needs clarification that undocumented immigrants are not eligible,” Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, told Watchdog.org in a statement.

To make Congress’ intent clear – that only legal U.S. residents are entitled to ACTC credits — Grassley co-sponsored a clarifying amendment with Sen. Mike Enzi, R-Wy.

“Unfortunately, the majority leader (Harry Reid, D-Nev.) cut off debate, so we weren’t given the chance to offer our amendment,” said Grassley, the top Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee.

The IRS’ practice of paying out billions to undocumented-immigrant families never received full congressional scrutiny, said David North, a fellow at the enforcement-oriented Center for Immigration Studies.

“I’ve been in government and I know kind of how these things work out,” North told the Washington Times.

“It struck me that (GS) 15s and 16s got together at some point and decided this is how we should handle it, and it stuck,” said North, who wrote “Paying Illegals to Stay,” an analysis of how benefit programs increase illegal immigration.

The IRS has said it doesn’t believe the ACTC law allows the agency to deny payment to undocumented immigrants.

Watchdog reported in June that disbursement of ACTC credits has grown rapidly — and suspiciously — with increased issuance of Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers as substitutes for Social Security numbers.

ITIN holders are not required to prove legal residency, and ITIN applications are running at the rate of 1 million a year.

Federal investigators identified one address in Atlanta where 23,994 ITIN refunds totaling  $46,378,040 were delivered. A single bank account there received 8,393 refunds.

Records indicate that undocumented immigrants in Virginia received $87.9 million in ACTC cash from the IRS. Watchdog reported that $163,711 went to a single address in the tiny eastern shore town of Parksley.

In lightly populated Iowa, Grassley’s home state, undocumented immigrants got an estimated $30 million.

With an average of 15 percent of ACTC refunds directed to undocumented households nationally, North calculates that roughly half of the money went to ITIN holders who paid “little or no income taxes.”

An audit by the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration stated:

“We believe legislation is needed to clarify whether or not refundable tax credits such as the ACTC may be paid to filers without a Social Security number. Such a legislative change could result in cost savings to the federal government of $1.8 billion annually.

“As it now stands, the payment of federal funds through this tax benefit appears to provide additional incentive for aliens to enter, reside and work in the U.S. without authorization, which contradicts federal law and policy to remove such incentives.”

The recommendations of that audit, conducted in 2009, have yet to be acted on.

Meantime, the IRS continues to be dogged by controversy over its handling of tax-exempt requests by tea party groups and other conservative organizations.

Judicial Watch this month filed a Freedom of Information lawsuit against the agency asking the District Court for the District of Columbia to compel the IRS to produce records of all communications relating to the review process for organizations seeking 501(c)(4) non-profit status since Jan. 1, 2010.

On May 14, the Treasury inspector general concluded the IRS had singled out groups with conservative-sounding terms such as “patriot” and “tea party” in their titles when applying for tax-exempt status.

Kenric Ward is a national reporter for Watchdog.org. Contact him at [email protected] or at (571) 319-9824. @Kenricward


Kenric Ward is the San Antonio-based reporter for Watchdog.org. A California native and veteran journalist who has worked on three Pulitzer Prize-winning newspapers, he received a BA from UCLA (Political Science/Phi Beta Kappa) and holds an MBA. He reported and edited at the San Jose Mercury News and the Las Vegas Sun before joining Watchdog.org in 2012 and has won over 30 journalism awards throughout his career. His work has been published in the Houston Chronicle, San Antonio Express-News, Odessa American, The Monitor, Corsicana Daily Sun, Laredo Morning Times, Palestine Herald-Press, Waxahachie Daily Light, The Orange Leader, the Katy News, Fox News, Townhall, and others. Kenric is a member of Investigative Reporters and Editors.

  • iamsurrounded

    I heard of an illegal immigrant who earns $35K in cash and his American born anchor baby was given a 2-year free ride at the local community college. I would bet, but can’t verify, that they receive other benies too. Who is making out better – an American citizen on the books or these guys? And why are people still feeling sorry for them?

  • sosideirish

    That treasonous fossil, Reid, needs to be taken down, big time. So tired of him rearing his ugly head every time a debate on common sense approaches to the ILLEGAL PARASITES in this country opens up. First off, NO ONE without a Social Security number, proof of citizenship and residence, should be allowed to file a tax return, let along receive any form of credit/refund! This is beyond ridiculous! Just another way our tax dollars are being used to support and encourage ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION!

    “Federal investigators identified one address in Atlanta where 23,994 ITIN refunds totaling $46,378,040 were delivered. A single bank account there received 8,393 refunds.”

    Why are multiple refunds being allowed to single addresses and bank accounts? Why are there no measures in place to check on this type of activity? No wonder they can afford better cars and more everything than we can. To make matters worse, it’s OUR money paying for it!

  • real american person

    stop ,stop blame the goverment for this mess,people are going to come but if you give them a social security they will pay theire way but goverment must be held responsible for removing them if they commit crimes,judes must be audit if they dont follow the law.it was theire country anyways they are not the ilegals here ,europeans are

  • Brian

    “The law needs clarification that undocumented immigrants are not eligible”

    Really? We need to clarify that??? Seem like common sense to me. But then again, I’m actually using MY brain.

  • Que Dub

    ILLEGAL means breaking the OUR LAWS. Ya all ILLEGAL mexicans & mushlums get out of OUR USA !!! Ya all are fraudulently taking our money!!!
    It’s NOT the goobermint’s money , IT’S our money !!!! It’s 535 BILLION$$$ every year now !!!!

  • Streetmeat

    I’m beyond pissed off…..wtf. The country is maxed out on our credit cards and what did we do to fix it? Thats right….got on other credit card. So to see this waste of our money unsat.

  • ScottinVA

    WTF??? Illegals have billions of OUR tax dollars thrown at them while IRS stiff-arms TEA Party organizations seeking tax-exempt status.

    If this had affected EBT cards or Obamaphones, people would be streaming onto the streets.

  • Willie Drinks

    It’s TREASON. Republicans are garbage, but Democrats are downright criminals. We need a reboot. We need social Darwinism for a year or two to rid us of 50% of the parasites, criminais and the rest of the tax payer funded predators and the politician criminals who enable and catalyze them.

  • wildbill

    We Have VETERANS Losing Their Homes and Military Families Suffering And This is what our AZZHOLE IN CHIEF is Doing To With OUR MONEY..The IRS NEEDS TO ABOLISHED…NOT EMPOWERED!!!

  • mitchie124

    They’re trying to force Americans who can still think into physical revolt. That way they can control everything overtly through martial law. This is all a planned strategy. This is the last push to decimate the economy, and destroy the will of the American people so they more easily accept a global governance and economic system.

  • toodles001

    That.s one thing the government is not noted for. Common Sense. Too few people now a days has it either.

  • OlDad55

    So..IRS needs the Govt to CLARIFY that they should not be sending money, U.S. TAXPAYING CITIZENS MONEY… to UNDOCUMENTED ILLEGALS!!! and the esteemed Mr REID…REFUSES to even ALLOW DEBATE!?
    THIS is WHY the REPUBLICANS FORCED the Govt SHUTDOWN, because it is the LAST method short of ARMED RESPONSE from ENRAGED CITIZENS to END this INSANITY.
    BE PREPARED..the future for our children is sadly going to be OPEN WAR within our BORDERS, because our OWN GOVERNMENT… NO LONGER PROTECTS IT’S LEGAL CITIZENS.

  • OlDad55

    Unfortunately… It is working. There will be armed conflict within our borders within the next decade. Millions may die before sanity is restored. Even knowing it is a planned strategy will not stop what is left of America from fighting back when they no longer can trust their government to do what is right. I really hope that history proves me wrong. I really do.

  • Jessica Reed

    Nice. Maybe I should go back to being a citizen of Germany, quit my job and just start having a ton of kids. Misuse of EBT during glitches, free this, free that. It seems like the more I work, the more that gets taken from me to give to people who contribute nothing of value to society. If people would give back (i.e. by volunteering to pick up trash or something), I would feel a little better. I just get so bent out of shape when I continue to see people misuse and/or abuse the system, when people who bust their butts get ripped off.
    I am not against immigration, as I was not born in the US; I just feel that if you plan on moving here – become documented and legal. I just need to stop reading articles – just almost puts a damper on my day 🙂

  • sheinLV

    I wish the People in every state could file a class action lawsuit against the IRS and let the court issue the clarification, instead of humpback Harry continuously shelving the Bills from the House..wishful dreaming. I wish the People had more clout than just voting every 2 years.

  • disqus_SHNnPo6206

    This is why I stopped helping or donating in America. My tax dollars alone are enough and that’s my “donation.” I’m legal and I don’t get a dime of that tax refund for my kid, yet some illegal gets a $1000 check on my tax dollars. WTF is up with that? The US government wants to keep my taxes and waste it on illegals? Fine. Keep up the good job. Bunch of idiots.

  • iamsurrounded

    Talk about incompetence – we have some really stupid people working in our government.

  • iamsurrounded

    bwhaaaaaaa haaaa haaaa – you funny

  • iamsurrounded

    And our government sends their governments even more of our money – I hope we run out soon so this nonsense will stop.

  • parkerguy

    Why is it Iowa is heavy Democratic state, but this Watchdog group is in Iowa. Whats up Weegins? Heads to deep in the Mississippi mud to see what is going on in Washington. Time to stop paying into the IRS this is BS…. It is time America to push your Politicos into doing the right thing. Anyone got an address for some one willing to start a class action suit. I am ready to get engaged at 66 to stop this nonsense.

  • Bob

    I have been mailing our Government for years about this abuse. It is SO BAD in Minnesota that the Illegals are starting to brag about it!!! It is not uncommon here for an illegal to make 10 – 30k in tax returns! I work my @$$ off for what I have and the illegals can sit around and rake in the money thanks to our Government’s lack of intelligence!!

  • American1969

    Here is income redistribution on a grand scale, people. This is what Obama said he was going to do, and he’s doing it. When are people in this country going to wake up and wise up and stand up? Enough is enough! The American people are being robbed blind, and these arrogant elitists throw it in our faces.


  • brooksmd

    And yet Obozo and Hagel couldn’t find the money to pay $100,000 death benefits to the families of 5 of our dead members of the military. What a joke.

  • USA1stVince

    Further PROOF that the IRS is now a highly politicized instrument of Big Govt control! Get em’ outta here and go to a consumption tax!

  • USA1stVince

    It’s not Govt stupidity in Minn…..It’s by design! Civil servants are unionized and totally in the tank for the DFL, which continues to butter the union bread. The DFL gets all civil servant union donations, and goes to great lengths to keep voter ID out of reach in Minn, and get their illegals INTO the voting booth. Yep! They TAKE your taxpayer $$, GIVE them to Illegals, and in the process BUILD on their Minn Majority

  • groscoe

    For how many years and how much has the IRS paid illegal aliens for real and fictitious children?

  • chesed1

    Ahhhhhhhhhhhh! Enough already!!

    It is abuses like this that leave me wanting 2 things:

    1. Fire the IRS every single one of them (okay I know all are not corrupt, I get that.)

    2. Send every single ILLEGAL home on their dime, and actually drop them off at the southern most part of South America (Okay, I get some really love this country and want to be a citizen, they need to go back on their own and go through the process, the others if they are deported by us, forget any path to citizenship. Forget the Dream Act I think that is about the children, no to those who do not come in legally and stay legal.)

    Didn’t use to feel this way, but have had enough and saying to my representatives enough! Fortunately we mostly agree on both these issues.

  • USA1stVince

    WHAT Dream Act – This is a nightmare – 30 million ILLEGALS and Obama wants them all voting and us paying the bills for them?

  • USA1stVince

    Civil servants are unionized and totally in the tank for the Democrats, which continues to butter the union bread. The Democrats and Eric Holder get all civil servant union donations, and go to great lengths to keep voter ID out of reach in most states, and get their illegals INTO the voting booth. Yep! They TAKE your taxpayer $$, GIVE them to Illegals, and in the process BUILD on their Majority

  • Philip

    This needs to STOP.

  • iamsurrounded

    I feel the same way and have stopped giving charity at all. Like for the earthquake in Haiti – they sent so much of our money to them (and no one still knows today where it all went) so when I got calls for donations I explained that I already gave. So many people bilk our government and yet they want more tax money from the honest folks.

  • USA

    Vote? No, throw them out!

  • Barry

    It is time to abolish the income tax, and with it the IRS. Go to a national sales tax. Just imagine the tax revenues that could be collected from all those “illegal” activities like drug dealing, gambling, etc. Those crooks buy cars and big screen TVs and iPhones and jewelry – let’s collect a national sales tax and make them contribute. Add to that the unbelievable savings in hours lost preparing tax returns and you have a virtual windfall that will vault this economy forward.

    It’s just common sense – penalize consumption, not achievement, collect taxes from criminals, save all the law-abiding folks lots of time and aggravation. What’s not to like?

  • takingastand2

    well have you the American People had enough yet??? Wait till you find out that included in the Obamacare will also be the Green Act that in order for you to sell your house or property you will have to meet the Green Act requirements. The next debt ceiling issue will be including amnesty for the illegals before obama will sign.

  • takingastand2

    by the way, the passing of the budget deal included McConnell getting money for his dam and 174,000 paid to a widow of a millionair.

  • thinker

    What country would accept us?

  • Clara

    I guess
    one has to be over 60 to remember the Preamble to our Declaration of
    Independence…since I fear our children and grandchildren haven’t been taught
    the history of how we got to be who we are…so let me share with you:

    are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the
    governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these
    ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute
    new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its
    powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety
    and Happiness.”

  • vtxtreme

    “The law needs clarification that undocumented immigrants are not eligible,”

    Seriously? This is what these people come up with after taking trillions from taxpayers? To clarify that government benefits are not to be given to illegal alien felons. Thanks.

  • vtxtreme

    The liberal Democrat voters don’t care. It’s taxpayer money and most of them are not taxpayers.

  • Alan James

    The problem to begin with is the ITIN (Individual Taxpayer Identification Number) department in Austin, TX. Since illegals don’t have a valid SSN (even though they always work under fake one or someone else’s) the government back in the 1990’s created the ITIN dept so illegals could do taxes. That is the only purpose of the ITIN number and since its creation illegals have found a loophole in the additional child tax credit.

    To solicit an ITIN number for dependents (children) the department requires that either a passport or in its place a birth certificate, school record, medical record, shot record can be substituted. The problem is all of these documents are foreign issued and not one single piece of proof that these kids are here in the US residing at the same address of the taxpayer is required. These dependents are usually listed as nieces or nephews and live in Mexico. I have even seen people from Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras and Nicaragua claiming Mexican children as dependents. The taxpayers come in our office with a handful of ITIN numbers for kids they’ve probably never even seen.

    The question of whether it’s the responsibility of the tax preparer or the IRS to determine eligibility of dependents has been brought up. Some IRS agents have questioned whether the kids meet the presence test and of course they don’t, but it someone comes in with ITIN numbers doesn’t that mean they have already be pre-qualified to do taxes? Shouldn’t the ITIN department be the ones who ask for proof those kids are here? They certainly make a lot more money than tax preparers do.

    We thought at the beginning of last tax season that clients would not be able to claim kids who are not here. We had heard that the IRS would send a letter to illegals using dependents with ITINs asking for proof those kids are here before issuing their large refund, but that didn’t happen at all. Everyone got their money with refunds averaging between 5 and 10 thousand dollars. How hard would it be to send a letter asking for proof before just simply giving away more money than most Americans get in refunds?

    A local reporter named Bob Segall from NBC’s WTHR broke this story in 2012 and hit the nail on the head. His report was spot on and what amazes me is that this story has not made it to the major media outlets except for Fox News mentioning once or twice. To see his report please go to http://www.wthr.com/story/17798210/tax-loophole-costs-billions.

  • JJ

    This piece is ill written with a diferent intent. I do not think undocumented people can claim an ACTC for undocumented children. If the undocumented person “FILING A TAX RETURN” or “PAYING TAXES” is claiming an ACTC credit is for a US citizen child not undocumented child.

  • Humblemumble

    It’s not a lack of intelligence, it’s called vote buying with the taxpayer ‘s dollars. They know exactly what their doing. none.

  • seruko

    What’s the source for 4.2 billion? There’s a quote here for 1.8 Billion.

  • WorldWarZman

    Tens of millions of these invaders are not flooding here for the work…it is the handouts. STOP SCAMNESTY AND OBAMA NOW.

  • mzliberty2013

    FIRE OBAMA and everyone in his corrupt Administration and get rid of the RINOs (McCain, Graham, McConnell, John Boehner, ++) and Socialists Dumbocrats and maybe we will survive!!

  • dporteraustin

    The rest of the story is interesting. It was one of those “it wasn’t supposed to happen, but did” kinda things. http://www.factcheck.org/2012/05/tax-credits-for-illegal-immigrants/
    It happened under Bush.

  • mcbee555

    Is it possible for the House of Representatives to control purse-strings to the degree of stopping such errant distribution? What if Senator Grassley brings enough attention to it with the stalwarts in the Senate like Cruz, Paul and Lee? Perhaps a few more would join in and action initiated by the House. I wish I knew!
    I think Democrats would overlook and argue for this wasteful policy, it seems exactly what they want. Every moment we discover more and more bogus use of our tax dollars, then it’s simple to rationalize why the horrendous debt of our country. It’s Obama regime abuse of citizens taxes!

  • karenMalory

    They were here when Bush was in office.
    Millions of illegals swamped H.R Block all through the 90’s claiming refunds during Bush presidency, they were in line for blocks in Texas, and Florida.

  • cyclemama33

    As long as Ovomit is in power over the IRS, this kind of corruption will continue. The best way to improve our country is get rid of Ovimit/administration and the IRS.

  • Que Dub

    the ” nobambaa ” will just borrow more $$$$ !!!!!!
    All you young people will pay some day, HATE TO SAY THAT !!

    11B vet

  • Que Dub

    What good is voting w/ all that fvckn VOTER FRAUD the liberal rats do???

  • Que Dub

    The word is out to the world !!!! FREE $$$$$ in the USA !!!!!!!!!!!!
    They are coming in in droves from all over the world!!! mushlums of all kinds , too!!

  • MLloyd996

    All through the 90’s….like when Clinton was POTUS…’92-2000…

  • Martin_vanburen

    The tea party groups and this tax credit have absolutely nothing to do with each other, but this crackpot website seems to think that the uneducated, under-informed segment of America will buy their mularky. And then try to pin it on the current president and Senate leader.

    “Generally, illegal immigrants don’t qualify for Social Security,
    Medicare or other federal benefits, except for emergency medical
    treatment in hospitals. And since passage of the 1996 welfare reform
    law, they have been ineligible for the refundable portion of the Earned
    Income Tax Credit as well.
    At that time, Congress required that a valid Social Security number
    be filed for those claiming the EITC, and that requirement saved an estimated $300 million a year. But Congress did not enact a similar requirement when it created the child tax credit, which went into effect in tax year 1998 at $400 per child, and was increased to $500 the following year.
    Initially the credit wasn’t refundable in most cases (only for
    families who had three or more children and who also met certain income
    tests). So the issue of illegal workers claiming credits did not arise
    at first. But the 2001 Bush tax cuts made more parents eligible for
    refundable credits, and increased the amount in steps to $1,000 per
    So by 2005, the recent IG report said, 796,000 persons without valid
    Social Security numbers claimed refundable child credits totaling $924
    million, and in 2008, these claims had risen to 1,526,276 persons
    claiming $2.1 billion in refunds.”

  • Ben Neumann

    The Big G at work.

  • Martha Benton

    You do not know what you are talking about. Listening to Obama and MSM I guess. Guess you didn’t see the video where just ONE illegal immigrant came forward and gave and interview down in Miami. She came to America, did not bother to become a citizen, has since produced FIFTEEN children…no fathers accounted for, and she draws MORE SS than I do and I worked all my life! She also gets welfare and bundles of food stamps, plus free medical care for her and all her freeloading kids. She is now giving lectures to OTHER illegal aliens on how to go about collecting all these benefits. THAT is what is going on in America. And THAT is what this article is referring to. She is a mere drop in the bucket.

  • chrcon

    And I suppose the “educated” and “informed” get their news from networks like MSNBC and newspapers like the “New York Times.” They of course would never provide false information or spin the news from the far left perspective. Yeah right!

  • Martin_vanburen

    Guess you work without facts.
    Gee, you saw a video? On what channel/Site?
    And since one person said they do illegal things, everyone does and it’s all Obama’s fault, because before he was ELECTED, it was a perfect world.

  • Karen Riddell Quinn

    Me thinks Stinky has issues with Conservatives and Conservative Groups. Just sayin’…

  • bs

    put em in jail for misappropriation of our money.

  • jmfay

    Dont you ever wonder why this govt has a 17 trillion dollar national debt? because there is so much waste and fraud that everyone knows about and does nothing to fix. Its like there is an endless supply of tax dollars to waste.

    Thats why the govt does nothing about birth right citizenship as if ss and medicare have an endless supply of money too.

  • racialvictim

    Oh, I get it now. Pose as an illegal, get tax id number, make money posing as democratic voter.

  • Mr. Fever Head


  • Mr. Fever Head

    Um…yeah… no fraud going on at all, Pay no attention to what the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration says. What would he know vs an anonymous left wing moron on the internet?

  • Mr. Fever Head

    And Bush is parachuting in an stopping it from being fixed now. Damn you Bush! (Shakes fist at air.)

  • TopAssistant

    Do you think the DEMONcrat party and the RINO/GOP leadership/followers in the soon to be defunct Republican Party want to destroy America or are they just plain STUPID?
    Ted Cruz is correct and if we do not stop ObamaCare now, it will destroy us. It is totally unconstitutional, along with Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, ObamaPhone, ObamaCare and everything this Marxist wants to do to destroy America. Never forget the involvement by the RINO/GOP
    leadership/followers in the soon to be defunct Republican Party.

    The late Alabama governor George Wallace once said, “There’s not a dime’s
    worth of difference between Republicans and Democrats.” Both Republicans
    and Democrats agree on taking our money. Where they differ is what to spend it on. A Democrat like Senator Edward Kennedy agrees to take our earnings and give them to cities and poor people. A Republican like Senator Elizabeth Dole agrees to take our earnings and give them to farmers and failing businesses.

    We know the goal of the Democrat Party is to destroy America in every way possible however, the RINO/GOP leadership/followers are close behind.

    “In America, we have a two-party system,” a Republican congressional staffer
    is supposed to have told a visiting group of Russian legislators some years

    “There is the stupid party. And there is the evil party. I am proud to be a member of the stupid party.”

    He added: “Periodically, the two parties get together and do something that is both stupid and evil. This is called–bipartisanship.”

    Reference the above piece using this permanent URL:


  • jimijazz

    Just as I suspected. Illegals had to be getting financial help from some place and as usual it’s the U.S. govt. The IRS thinking in all this is beyond absurd. It’s not the job of the IRS to fund non-citizens peiod.

  • Gayle Schermerhorn

    Add the Federal Reserve in that list.

  • Martin_vanburen

    Who said there is no fraud? You did. Don’t try that weak strawman type argument with me. But since one person said they commit fraud, everyone like them is doing it.
    Is reality just an option for you?

  • Wigglesworth

    Over the last 5 years the US has paid out over 3 trillion in welfare. That would be the same cost as fighting another 3 Iraq wars.

  • wwwraystevenscom

    They don’t pay sales tax. They buy their bling out of the back of a fence’s car or shop. The same way they get their hands on guns despite so-called gun control laws.

  • disqus_SHNnPo6206

    You’re so clueless.

  • disqus_SHNnPo6206

    Clueless again.

  • wwwraystevenscom

    Not all civil servants are unionized. Please do your homework and stop painting with such broad brushes.

  • wwwraystevenscom

    Can’t find what year the first ITIN was issued, but probably right after Reagan’s amnesty.

  • Martin_vanburen

    Yes, Yes you are.

  • wwwraystevenscom

    They’ve been bragging about it in NM for years & years.
    Today, went through the drive thru at McD’s. The person taking the orders no hablas Englais muy bueno. So when I got to the payment window I mentioned that the person taking the orders should be a good English speaker. She said to talk to the manager at the next window. The manager turned out to no hablas Englais muy bueno. So I mentioned anyway that it would help if the person taking the orders spoke English as a first language. The guy was standing there & in a heavy accent said ‘Really?’ So I responded with ‘En serio.’ He walked off & the person who handed me my food was also not of this country.
    These are jobs that teens & college students should be holding! If the illegal aliens and their anchor babies were sent back to their own countries, taking NOTHING but what has been completely paid for (anything that they are making payments on stays & maybe banks & companies will think twice about next time).

  • wwwraystevenscom

    Today, went through the drive thru at McD’s (New Mexico). The person taking the orders no hablas Englais muy bueno. So when I got to the payment window I mentioned that the person taking the orders should be a good English speaker. She said to talk to the manager at the next window. The manager turned out to no hablas Englais muy bueno. So I mentioned anyway that it would help if the person taking the orders spoke English as a first language. The guy was standing there & in a heavy accent said ‘Really?’ So I responded with ‘En serio.’ He walked off & the person who handed me my food was also not of this country.These are jobs that teens & college students should be holding! If the illegal aliens and their anchor babies were sent back to their own countries, taking NOTHING but what has been completely paid for (anything that they are making payments on stays & maybe banks & companies will think twice about next time).

  • enoughtisenough

    One of my questions, How do they know where to send their checks???

  • melissa

    Good one Wigglesworth – How about AND bringing down the deficit!

  • Luther Williamson

    You had to have a BLACK president.

  • Agent j flood

    This is bullshit,, they don’t even pay taxes,, what the fr@@&$)(;:k is going on with our government,, we need to STEP IN that’s our money!!!!!!!!

  • Agent j flood

    Yes we need that info!!!

  • iamsurrounded

    I know, frustrating – because common sense doesn’t seem to exist in DC

  • iamsurrounded

    Good reminder – especially since most of us our not too happy lately and our open borders definitely make us less safe.

  • iamsurrounded

    Oh yeah, we have another presidential hissy fit to look forward to.

  • iamsurrounded

    I find it ironic that they named it the Dream Act since they are taking the American Dream away from us and our children.

  • TimboT

    More of Obama’s plan to destroy America.

  • iamsurrounded

    Maybe the ACLJ would be able to assist.

  • Michele Hoyt

    Since the Additional Child Tax Credit is filed when filing your income tax returns, I find it hard to credit this story with any truth to the number of dollars supposedly going to illegals, since by nature of being illegal they DO NOT file income tax returns. Further it is not a check cut independent of your income tax return so again how would it be tracked. Third, living in a place with a high number of illegal immigrants, I know that the majority do not have bank accounts here in the US, hence the prosperity of rip off check cashing stores!

  • disqus_SHNnPo6206

    Rip off check cashing stores? If they’re such a rip off, then don’t use them. What idiot would use them if they’re a rip off?

  • disqus_SHNnPo6206

    I would have settled for green…LOL.

  • Sandra Reynolds

    If you research this it actually did happen cannot remember if it was someone at the IRS or an individual tax preparer who contacted the IRS about this. Yes it did happen


    he is not black..he is RED ..commie RED

  • chesed1

    Yep, my American Dream went down the toilet in 2012, couldn’t believe that after 40 years of being a responsible home owner, and my husband a loyal employee that I would go through what we did last year; which was nothing more than ACA effect early, and the payout for the banks that destroyed property value.

    So I can understand your feeling of loosing the A.D. and concern for our children and in my case grandchildren. Debt repayment looks impossible even in their life time, scary.

    I want to see our jobs come back to this country, our money, and a balanced budget.

  • chesed1

    Right there with you! Don’t ya’ just luv how Ob. over runs the laws of the land when it suites him! Glad to see you used the 30 and not the 11 million, I also agree that the 30 is probably the correct figure.

    Enough entitlements and jobs to people who know they are here illegally and think that is okay! It is not. It is time to enforce the laws already on the books. And when they get ready to bus illegals out and other illegals block or chain themselves in protest, then just have some more buses ready and head on down the road with them.

    Can you tell I am a little tired of our upside down legality!

  • IRS Worker

    This is legitimate. I worked with the IRS, and the filer basically gets ITINs for children from other countries by using their school records. They then file the return claiming the ACTC for those ITINs, and they can say that the children were living in the US since 5 years ago. 2k per child, 5 children, 10k x 5 years = 50k up front. 10k per child.

    Now if you take 4.2 billion and divide it by 10k, you get 420k children, which is less than half of one million ITINs that were assigned. In other words, less than half of the ITINs were claiming the ACTCs, which is a reasonable statistic. How many of these are truly fraudulent though compared to those that weren’t? Maybe not the full 4.2 billion, but certainly a great portion of it. Regardless, no evidence was provided that the children are currently residing in the US, and that is the bigger issue.

  • ibelieveinfreedom2

    Funny, I accidentally switched the two middle numbers on one of my sons’ SS# one year on my tax return. The IRS was none too pleased, to put it mildly. They required his SS card etc… So, I want to know how these illegals are filing for tax subsidies when they don’t have SS #’s for themselves much less the kids they list as dependents?

  • wiredone

    Yes, if some people say or some people think….. well then it must be true, except for the fact the one cannot get a child credit if the parent does not have a SS#, just minor details of course but it got you riled up now didn’t it.

  • gapeach

    Read this — watch the video. It was a well-researched news story in Indiana. This was a year and a half ago and nothing has changed. Never made national news. Why? Protecing this current adminintration. And now the IRS is going to ride herd over Obamacare? God help us all!!http://www.wthr.com/story/17798210/tax-loophole-costs-billions

  • Jazzee

    wow so that claim that illegals don’t get ‘benefits’ is just another LIE surprise surprise
    no wonder they come here and now demand we give them more
    what a racket

  • Jazzee

    been going on for a longgggggggggg time
    and the idiots in DC refuse to stop it

  • Jazzee

    and YET they tell us to get citizenship they will pay back taxes LOL LOL LOL another damn lie

  • Jazzee

    amen amen