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Ex-Hostess workers land sweet deal, taxpayers foot bill

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FLUFF FILLING: The U.S. Department of Labor has been short on specifics regarding its claim that Hostess went out of business because of foreign trade.

 

By Travis Perry │ Kansas Watchdog

OSAWATOMIE — It’s been four months since the iconic Twinkie began disappearing from store shelves nationwide. While some have speculated the golden sponge cake could survive the apocalypse itself, its undoing was something else entirely: unreasonable demands from an uncompromising labor union.

Apparently the federal government didn’t get the memo.

Officials at the U.S. Department of Labor claim it wasn’t the decision of the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union to go on strike that finally brought about the Twinkie’s demise, but rather the increased import and sale of products from Hostess’ foreign competitors.

Wait, what?

As a result of the DOL’s unique interpretation, more than 18,000 former Hostess employees are eligible for thousands of dollars in extra assistance above and beyond standard unemployment insurance, funded through the department’s Trade Adjustment Assistance (TAA) program — and your tax dollars.

We’ll forgive you if you’re confused, so were we. And so was Dan Lara, public information officer for the Kansas Department of Commerce, who said the federal decision was “kind of strange.”

Even former Hostess executives say otherwise. Shortly after filing for bankruptcy in January 2012, Hostess stated that its inability to compete was “primarily due to legacy pension and medical benefit obligations and restrictive work rules,” not foreign trade.

Still, the DOL is sticking to its guns and defending its decision to help retrain, re-employ or relocate the displaced workers. But despite the determination, the federal agency has been vague on exactly why it believes Hostess was overpowered by global competition.

TAA certifying officer Elliott Kushner detailed the agency’s position in an official opinion released in February. The report is chock-full of government legal-ese but skimps on specifics, stating that “increased imports contributed importantly” toward Hostess’ closure.

When pressed for more detail, Kushner punted, deferring to the DOL’s department of public relations, which regurgitated the same talking points. An agency spokesperson said the opinion was reached based largely on confidential business data requests, as well as customer surveys and aggregate data from the International Trade Commission.

Drilling deeper, things don’t get much better. The DOL can’t say exactly how much each worker will receive, though according to a breakdown of TAA benefits it could be in excess of $10,000, depending on a number of factors.

If half the former Hostess employees take advantage of benefits at that level, the taxpayer bill could possibly hit $90 million.

It’s difficult to accurately judge the DOL’s actions when they won’t release the data driving the decision. But while Kushner may have seen the globalization boogeyman in the information he reviewed, it wasn’t reflected in data compiled by the DOL’s Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Since 2007, the commercial bakery industry as a whole has seen a steady increase in the weekly wages of employees, which has equated to a nearly $2,000 bump in annual compensation. Additionally, total industry employment hit a six-year high in October 2012, just before Hostess went under, peaking at nearly 149,000 workers nationwide.

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  • Common Sense in Kansas Politic

    Tripe. This is absolute corporate propaganda. How much did management make and what were the bonuses they negotiated? POOR management sank Hostess.

  • Brandy

    Come on! Seriously? Management ran Hostess into the ground while giving themselves absurd bonuses and not paying into their employees pensions as promised. These people were counting on their savings and it was stolen from them. Hostess obviously didn’t have any intention of paying their dues and now the government is stepping in because of yet another instance of corrupt business policies. If we’re blaming someone, it should be Hostess.

  • Paul Fisher

    Poor management on the part of the unions and the governement is what you mean don’t you? If the 90 million would have been concessions by the unions those Hostess employees would still have jobs and benefits, and the country would still have Twinkes.
    That 10,000 those people are getting for not working will go to the unions partly. The unions are going to demand their dues as long as the workers are getting the money. The taxpayers are the ones that are getting screwed in this deal.

  • Stop blaming workers

    And they didn’t get anywhere near what management walked away with.

  • Paul Fisher

    Brandy,
    You are an under infomed dolt! That is union propaganda!

  • http://www.facebook.com/steve.wolvers Steve Wolvers

    LOL Corporate unlimited political influence pays big dividens it is the gift that just keeps on giving :-)

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1359486782 Jim Roscovius

    Typical union jerkoffs! Force the company to close and then steal taxpayer money. And people wonder why I hate unions…

  • http://twitter.com/cabo1013 quentin graves sr.

    who cares,just bring me my twinkie back NOW

  • D Lanzius

    So you’re concerned about these employees getting tax dollars and not illegal aliens with their medical expenses, kids going to public schools and all the other welfare type benefits going to them which in case you didn’t know, are paid for by American tax dollars…really? This is why America is failing because it’s priorities are in the toilet.

  • heidihoneighbor

    Snip the head off the union and the whole liberal party right down to the UN will fall

  • http://www.facebook.com/Martinf77 Fred Martinez

    Unions would rather squeeze their membership for dues then put them on the government dole to ensure more democrat labor votes in subsequent elections. Union leaders don’t want ALL union members to have jobs.

  • http://www.facebook.com/coreyd922 Corey D. McLaughlin

    The ad hominem attack undermines your argument, Paul.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rv.mike.16 Rv Mike

    You hate unions because you are a non-conformist. They never forced Hostess to close, they chose to close over negotiating.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rv.mike.16 Rv Mike

    As if you know. Corporations have used the union as an excuse to steal pensions and benefits away from their employees for years now. Peabody Coal is just such an example. When the last traces of unions are gone, who are you gonna blame? Maybe the ones responsible? Only it will be too late…

  • Bross71760

    Who cares whose fault it is. Why does the taxpayer need to pay?

  • Paul Fisher

    Not at all Cory,

    My intent was to shock Brandy into getting more information by appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect he or she thought they had gained by reading only what appeared in the MSM.
    You see, most all major newspapers and news outlets are unionized.
    They cannot come out against the unions because that will cost them
    dearly in the next negotiations with the unions.

    Unions are run by Socialist/Communist thugs and goons and get their way with fear and intimidation tactics. They can’t manage companies with those tactics. They think they can but look what has happened to General Motors since Obama gave the unions a big share of the company and gave them billions to rebuild it and it is still in the tank, losing money and moving its plants to China. My God, Cadillac is being built in Chinese plants now. Geoffrey Emmelt is Obama’s Job Czar and he is the CEO of GM.

    Hostess could have turned their company over to the unions and it would still have went broke. You can’t pay more in wages than the product you make will generate in profit for the companies to cover the costs.
    This was a 10 year battle for the company and they just finally said it wasn’t worth it because the wages and benefits were eating them alive and they were looking at bankruptcy.

    It was NOT my intent to attack Brand’ys characther, I’m sure he or she is an outstanding person, just by the simple fact that they cared enough to take the time to even post here.

  • http://www.facebook.com/markjez Mark Jesmer

    We deserve it! Ignore the ignorant, narcissistic dumbass neocon trash like Paul Fisher. I worked for hostes for ten years and gave and gave and gave and gave concessions. Pay cuts, healthcare concessions, working conditions, pension benefits and work hours. No more!! Management fleeced the company. I gave up over $10,000/yr in wage/benefite. How much more should I have given?!? If you don’t think it was enough then go fuck yourself!!!

  • Come on people they tricked u!

    I will make my comment short and sweet. Yes the offer they made everyone sucked! But you should have voted YES … Now where can you find work these days making the money you were currently making and the money you would be making if you voted YES . Now you’ll be lucky if you can find a job making $ 12.00 per hour. I TOLD EVERYONE THIS and nobody wanted to hear it. But damn once you all found out the hard way that there wasn’t another deal in the works my cell phone would not stop ringing with calls from people wishing they could re vote . Guess what … Your union leaders mislead you all and I hope you are happy. Yes we all know Upper Management awarded themselved bonuses but at least we were all working , we had our benefits! Now we all have nothing… You should have just voted YES and if you were that so unhappy then work there until you found something better!! Guess what , you are like me still out of work or if you are working you are not making what you would have been if you simply would have voted YES…

  • david

    Assholes who dont know the truth about what happened need to shut the fuck up… those of us who worked there know what really happened

  • http://www.facebook.com/joshua.j.clarke.5 Joshua Jay Clarke

    Brandy is right Paul,coming from a hostess worker the management ran the company into the ground while taking our pension money the hard earned money we deserved also gave themselves millions of dollars in bonus money as well and reason whole place shutdown is cause they wanted us to continue to work without a pension and double the health insurance,Paul dont question somebody if you have no clue as to what your talking about cause obviously you don’t.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joshua.j.clarke.5 Joshua Jay Clarke

    While hostess was in bankruptcy and going through court the CEOs got millions in bounus even tho we was in bankruptcy.

  • http://twitter.com/RandyAlderman R. Alderman

    What was your annual salary/benefits package? What is your background? Education? How much do you annually pay in union dues? If you were to retire today, what would be your annual pension and how much would you have to pay for insurance? As a percentage of your salary, how much did the company have to pay for your health insurance? What did the company pay annually in state and federal taxes? How much would the obamacare tax cost the company? What were their increases in fuel and transportation costs? What were costs associated with permits and inspections on the factories? How much of increase was represented here?
    Answer me these questions, and then I’ll consider your offer to go XXX myself.
    One final thought..while the unions represent a huge expense to the company, I’m guessing government regulations and increased insurance, permitting and taxes played a huge role in this. Which, your union supported by those who you campained for. If that is the case, then truth be told, you XXXed yourself.

  • http://twitter.com/RandyAlderman R. Alderman

    I believe the employees were not working. They walked. Is that negotiating? The well was dry. The union drove the company into the ground. Plain and simple.

  • http://twitter.com/RandyAlderman R. Alderman

    If that’s how you “negotiated”, it’s no wonder they closed down. There are facts and then there are union facts. Whom do we believe?

  • http://twitter.com/RandyAlderman R. Alderman

    Thank you. Some people still have common sense.

  • Paul Fisher

    Joshua…….. show me the links to the proof of your statement.

  • Paul Fisher

    Joshua………. If you owned or was a major stock holder in a company and the unions and employees decided they wanted more when the company couldn’t afford to pay it any longer, wouldn’t you grab what you could before it went bankrupt. Of course you would. They built it, no matter what our braindead president thinks, they built it. They created the job the employees had. The unions didn’t create anything except the reason the company went down by demanding more than the company was going to be able to make.

    How come the unions aren’t kicking into the retirements if they care so much. I’ll tell you why, because they have already raided their retirement funds by buying off politicians and the funds are in the red. Not to far down the road the union workers are going to find out when the pension funds run out of money.

  • Paul Fisher

    You deserve nothing……..how much money did you have invested in the company? They created a job there that you applied for and they gave you. They bought a hour of your time for an hourly wage. If it wasn’t good enough for you why didn’t you go find a better paying job instead of crying to the unions. Your right, no more…..no more jobs because of greed!

  • Kennyge

    Are u for real? I worked with Hostess for 28 yrs. and the last 10 of them my weekly wages have done nothing but decline. I suggest you rework this story Mr. Perry as you have it TOTALLY UPSIDE-DOWN! You better do your homework much better than this. I do agree on part that, Hostess should foot the bill for retraining as they are the fat conglomerates making out in all this. BCTGM workers could take NO more cuts in pay. We were on a steady decline to a person flippin burger’s wages. Truck drivers were making less than a valet at a hotel. No, my friend the financial responsiblity doesn’t rest on “increased import and sales” Rather the raping and pilaging of the Management, by aquiring the company, forcing it to close, blaming it on, Union workers and then liquidating the company at a hefty financial gain. I can not believe your reporting here. What credentials do you posses to do proclaim any of this? Your editor should take a hard look at it and hopefully make you retract this, because if he does not. Then he will be held to the same scrutany.

  • norton69

    Unresonable demands from an uncompromising labor union? This article is the written version of Fox Business News coverage of the debacle. Unless one worked for this company and has a knowledge of what happened in the past decade they are sure to be uninformed and blindly biased. The only competent written report of the situation was done by Fortune Magazine.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ken.galligan Ken Galligan

    Are u for real? I worked with Hostess for 28 yrs. and the last 10 of them my weekly wages have done nothing but decline. I suggest you rework this story Mr. Perry as you have it TOTALLY UPSIDE-DOWN! You better do your homework much better than this. I do agree on part that, Hostess should foot the bill for retraining as they are the fat conglomerates making out in all this. BCTGM workers could take NO more cuts in pay. We were on a steady decline to a person flippin burger’s wages. Truck drivers were making less than a valet at a hotel. No, my friend the financial responsiblity doesn’t rest on “increased import and sales” Rather the raping and pilaging of the Management, by aquiring the company, forcing it to close, blaming it on, Union workers and then liquidating the company at a hefty financial gain. I can not believe your reporting here. What credentials do you posses to do proclaim any of this? Your editor should take a hard look at it and hopefully make you retract this, because if he does not. Then he will be held to the same scrutany

  • http://www.facebook.com/ken.galligan Ken Galligan

    Mr. Alderman, The Company did NOT negotiate with us this is why we had to take action. They gave us a “Take it or leave it offer” FINAL. You want to see proof? I have Pages of proof of what this company has done to its’ workers. In other words I have a book. Yes maybe that’s what I should do write a book about this.

  • kiss1988

    I have the pay stubs!! For the last ten years I have record of every pay cut, every shorted weeks pay, every insurance hike, and I have the bank statements that show the messed up deposits that happened monthly. Try supporting your family when you cant even depend on the place to actually pay you. Watch the company you work for take pay and say theyll make your job better and see them redecorate offices and hand out company computers, phones, and cars to management. While your truck doesn’t have heat or air, you can rest easy knowing your boss in comfy in his nice warm office. When your truck wont start or breaks down, at least you know that company car will get your boss home in time for dinner with his family.

    The uninformed here are those that somehow so blindly believe the anti union propaganda, that they cannot fathom the idea that maybe the union was actually right this time.

  • Mary

    Forget management, forget unions. 10 years ago, before the hedge fund groups were buying into Hostess Brands, any store you would go into Hostess had even amounts of space on the bread isle as Grupo Bimbo did. As a matter of fact, Grupo Bimbo wasn’t as big then. They purchased SaraLee, then Colonial. Then, Hostess Brands shelf space got smaller and smaller and Grupo Bimbo’s got bigger and bigger. I thought it had much to do with poor management not bothering to promote or market. Regardless, if you have very little shelf space and have been squeezed out by a foreign competitor, you won’t sell much and you will go under which is what happened to Hostess.

  • Eddie K

    Did you work there, Pauly? I did. Brandy is correct, you are the dolt.

  • Eddie K

    You don’t know shit.

  • Eddie K

    Amen to that , my brother!

  • Eddie K

    Mark is right. Go fuck yourself Paul.

  • Eddie K

    No , that’s not common sense. That’s a defeatist attitude and that’s the shitty attitude in America today. “Oh, I’m just happy to have a JOB!”

  • Mike

    Paul this statement ^ proves your ignorance. How many union hostess employees did you interview for your story? How many of them earned an hourly wage? Are you confused? Yes that’s right it’s not just management on salary. Do a little research get to the facts. CORPORATE greed, not union greed ended hostess. Do you think Greg Rayburn ever created a job? Hostess didn’t belong to anybody, it was merely an investment sucked dry by a multitude of “investors” each more greedy than the next… it had to end somewhere

  • mike

    why work? Your tax dollars pay me more and I get to sit on my ass all day…

  • http://www.facebook.com/thepirate.blackwidow ThePirate BlackWidow

    not to mention that many workers did invest into the company before the first bankruptcy only to have their stocks be worth 0 afterwards. Paul your bias reporting is an insult, do your homework before posting such baloney, it’s pretty easy to look up facts in this matter. Here is a pretty good video that explains some of what Hostess did to their workers, in fact everyone who thinks it was the big bad nasty union workers who shut down this company should watch this before speaking on what you clearly know nothing about
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ-z2QyZjh8&feature=player_embedded
    As far as our “sweet deal” , the DOL doesn’t just hand this out for no reason, again do your homework beforehand, otherwise you are not in the least bit credible.

  • Paul Fisher

    Why in the world would a sane person put up with job at a company that was constantly trying to cheat him for 10 long years? Did they hold a gun to your head? Threaten your family with violence? What made you stay? Was it the security you thought you had from the union? How did that work out for ya? It was the unions lies to the employees and their greed that killed Hostess. The poor little Twinkie has faded into history and people that loved them are the ones who are suffering now.

  • Paul Fisher

    Amen Mr. Alderman

  • Paul Fisher

    Spoken like a true and loyal commie union member.

  • Paul Fisher

    Brilliant come back Eddie! You have the typical union I.Q.

  • Paul Fisher

    Yes!!!!!!!!! That will entitle you to vote Democrat in the next election!

  • Paul Fisher

    Maybe the union can force Hostess to open up again…..might work, after all it was their actions that forced them to close. Didn’t the unions tell you that Hostess would cave to your demands, that they could afford it?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1505091101 Dale Ailes

    I was a former Hostess worker and the son of a union rep outside of the company and I know and my father agrees the bakers union caused this mess and the whole top level executives getting bonuses was a union ploy….the bakers union made a fortune off the suffering of the 18000 workers that lost their jobs as for the claim they filed in the bankruptcy case in an attempt to claim lost dues from the company going under…check with the bankruptcy case and you will find their claim…I saw it already

  • Tom

    mark, looking to get in touch with you. Tom

  • http://twitter.com/RAYKWB rayman5252

    blame the doubling of the health insurance on your boy OBUMMA not the Hostess management … welcome to the REAL world union boy!

  • http://twitter.com/RAYKWB rayman5252

    I would be apt to believe you more if the Teamsters, arguable one of the most corrupt unions going didn’t agree to terms and your union didn’t!

  • http://twitter.com/RAYKWB rayman5252

    I dont want to pay for either! Barely skilled workers, pushing buttons on machines making more then most college graduates and then complaining when the President they help vote in screws up healthcare and costs go up and the EVIL company asks them to pay more for health insurance … the horror! You people wouldn’t last ten minutes in a non-union private sector job where you can’t hide behind the skirt of the union or a paid off politician, you have to work had and produce to get ahead in the real world!

  • http://twitter.com/RAYKWB rayman5252

    If you are highly skilled and your talents are in demand, you will ALWAYS have a job. If you are getting paid top dollar to push a button on a machine, well, reality seeps in sometimes.