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Protesters descend on Walker’s home in ‘vagina’ diatribe

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By Ryan Ekvall | Wisconsin Reporter

WAUWATOSA — Demonstrations rarely get more intimate than this.

About 20 protesters gathered outside Gov. Scott Walker’s Wauwatosa home Tuesday and chanted a gender neutral message, so to speak: “Focus on jobs, not our vaginas.”

The demonstration was in response to a Republican-led bill that would require any woman wanting an abortion to first have an ultrasound.

“One thing I know you won’t find in women’s vaginas is 250,000 jobs,” said Jennifer Epps-Addison, referencing Walker’s 2010 campaign pledge to create a quarter-million jobs in his first term. Democrats have derided the governor for, to date, falling well short of that goal. “We are losing economic security for our residents and we believe our Legislature should be focused on creating opportunities for jobs, and not on regulating women’s vaginas.”

FOCUS ON JOBS: Jennifer Epps-Addison, leads a small protest at Gov. Scott Walker’s Wauwatosa home Tuesday, where demonstrators demanded the governor, ‘Focus on jobs, not vaginas.’

The bill does add at least one part-time job at the state Department of Health Services, which projected it would need to add an employee at $41,000 to put together a list of health-care providers offering free ultrasounds, per the legislation.

This protest picked up where a similar demonstration at the state Capitol left off. At the Senate budget debate two weeks ago, protesters tried unsuccessfully to storm the Senate floor. That incident led to eight arrests.

Several police cars were parked outside Walker’s home Tuesday, and two police officers approached Epps-Addison after she knocked on Walker’s front door to confront the governor.

No one answered, but Walker has said he would sign the bill.

Dozens of drivers honked their horns in support of the protesters in the suburban Wauwatosa neighborhood. Several others rolled up their windows as they drove by.

While the bill was pushed for by the religious right, Epps-Addison said she’s heard from women on both sides of the aisle who oppose what they see as the bill’s invasive nature.

“This bill literally inserts a vaginal probe into women’s vaginas in the era of small government,” she said. “We think that’s a perversion of conservative values.”

The bill doesn’t require trans-vaginal ultrasounds, but opponents say that’s how most ultrasounds are performed before pregnancies reach 12 weeks — when most abortions occur.

Many conservatives detest abortion, and the bill’s supporters say it will protect life by showing pregnant women the heartbeat of their unborn child. The requirement, they say, gives women the opportunity to see the life they are contemplating taking.

Nine states require an ultrasound before abortion, while 14 others require an abortion provider to give women the opportunity to get an ultrasound, according to the Guttmacher Institute, a sexual health public policy organization that supports access to abortions.

While the bill arguably adds a hurdle to abortions, unlike new legislation in other states, the measure doesn’t restrict abortions.

In North Dakota, for instance, Republican Gov. Jack Dalrymple signed a law that prohibits abortions after a fetal heartbeat can be detected — about six weeks into a pregnancy.

In Austin, Texas, thousands of protesters went to the Capitol on Monday to protest a bill that would prohibit abortions after 20 weeks. A vote on that bill was delayed last week after state Sen. Wendy Davis spoke for more than 10 hours to prevent a vote before the midnight deadline.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry, a Republican, called back legislators for a special session to pass the bill.

“The world has seen images of pro-abortion activists screaming, cheering,” Perry said, according to the Dallas Morning News. “Going forward, we have to match their intensity but do it with grace and civility.”

Civility was not on display in several of the protester’s signs Tuesday. One sign featured Walker’s face superimposed on a gynecologist, along with a woman waiting for an examination.

“We’re not going away, on election day you’ll pay,” the protesters yelled outside Walker’s house.

The Wisconsin Public Health Association, Wisconsin Medical Society and Wisconsin Hospital Association registered against the bill, saying it could lead to a slippery slope of the Legislature interfering with best medical practices.

The Wisconsin Academy of Family Physicians said the legislation interferes with the physician-patient relationship – an argument that detractors of Obamacare have used for the federal health care overhaul.

Pro-life activists say it is only right that abortion providers should perform an ultrasound before killing and removing an unborn child.

In addition to requiring ultrasounds before abortions, the bill requires doctors who perform abortions to have admitting privileges within 30 miles of the clinics in which they work. Planned Parenthood of Wisconsin said its Appleton clinic would close because none of their physicians meet the requirement, leaving three abortion clinics in the state.

Rep. Pat Strachota, R-West Bend, has said those providers could get admitting privileges.

Strachota has said the bill provides important information and safeguards to women considering whether to make the “life-changing decision to have an abortion.”

“The use of ultrasound technology helps inform clinical decision-making and enhances the safety of abortion care,” the lawmaker said in a recent statement. “Under this bill, after all the options are explained to her by the doctor, a woman then chooses the method of ultrasound she prefers. It does not require that the woman have a certain type of ultrasound. The choice is entirely hers.”

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Kittle is a 25-year veteran of radio, newspaper and online journalism. In July 2011, Kittle joined Watchdog.org as bureau chief for Wisconsin Reporter. He has spent much of the past three years covering the seismic political changes taking place in the Badger State. Last year, Kittle joined Watchdog’s national reporting team, covering everything from energy policy to governmental assaults on civil rights. Beyond being published in Wisconsin’s daily newspapers and in multimedia news outlets, Kittle’s work has appeared on Fox News, and in Human Events, Reason Magazine, Newsmax and Town Hall. His special investigation into a politically charged John Doe probe, “Wisconsin’s Secret War,” was the basis of a 2014 documentary on Glenn Beck’s TheBlaze. Kittle has made several appearances on Fox News, including “On the Record with Greta Van Susteren. He serves as weekly politics commentator for Lake 96.1 FM in Lake Geneva, and WRJN-AM 1400 in Racine. His resume includes multiple awards for journalism excellence from The Associated Press, Inland Press, Wisconsin Broadcast Association and other journalism associations. Contact Kittle at mkittle@watchdog.org.

  • DeAnn Mercado

    These protesters object to the “invasiveness” of the ultrasound? How do they believe an abortion is performed, with a pat on the back? Many women who have suffered through one describe it as violently traumatic to their person and psyche, not to mention the annihilation of the child within her. Let’s stop pretending abortion is civilized and sophisticated “healthcare”.

  • Apotex1

    Abortion is Bilderberg human sacrifice. Try researching Margret Sanger before you open you mouths Democrats.

  • Denise

    He should FOCUS ON JOBS AND NOT ON VAGINAS!!!!!!!!!!!!! I swear he promised that “he would create 250,000 jobs. I THINK THAT IS MORE IMPORANT!!!!!!

  • plankbob

    Ryan, this is one very one-sided story. You’re a better journalist than this. At least you could be if you wanted to be. You stood there at the budget-signing protest all affable. Are you the kind of person who’d smile while stabbing someone in the back? Shame.
    Women of means, many of them Republican, will always have access to abortion somewhere. This is a class issue. The moralizers telling others what to do with their bodies.

  • Barbara

    Most abortions are performed by administering a pill.

  • DeAnn Mercado

    Is that how Dr Kermit Gosnel administered them?

  • Loran

    Pro lifer is a misnomer given they are frequently pro death penalty. A more appropriate phrase would be those who advocate compulsory pregnancy. Pro choice stands for women’s reproductive rights.

  • Patience Eternal

    Look out Taliban! Here comes the Wisconsin Version! (DeAnn, hope you got a nice burka picked out.)

  • Anne D

    When I was a young adult, I would’ve had an abortion if I’d had an unwanted pregnancy (or at least I believed that I would at the time). I would’ve regretted it every day of my life. I don’t believe in abortion, but I believe in women’s rights to control their bodies and destinies. In this day and age, women have access to all kinds of birth control–even “poor” women. Unwanted pregnancies should be a thing of the past. However, this is just another outreach of the government to control the behavior of the people they are supposed to be serving (like DNA collection, without a warrant, from a person who is innocent until PROVEN guilty in a court of law). If we had a recall election today, I would not vote for Governor Walker.

  • Anne D

    Seems more like the gestapo to me.

  • Wisconsinite

    A JOB more important than LIFE? That shows how bad Wisconsinites and Americans have their priorities out of line.

  • jacklohman

    Anne, I am totally against unnecessary abortion, but also believe that such procedures should be 100% the decision of the mother and father. The state and federal government should have ZERO input. It is between the woman and HERE God.

  • EverythingMustGo

    Sure, nothing about the baby’s right or anything. Always about the woman’s rights. Another liberal hypocrisy – pro-choice yet the one who pays the price has no choice. Kinda like those who scream “fair share” actually fail to contribute to the kitty they’re so eager to take their “fair share” from.

    “Jennifer” has a closet full of brown shirts.

  • Incredible

    Seriously, what is about women that their hearts are so dark they can kill a baby so easily? Are they that self-centered, possesed, unintelligent or just evil? Do they not understand that their “choice” was to spread their legs and become impregnated? Yet again, someone else is required to pay the price for their misguided decisions.

    Incredible.

  • jacklohman

    Questions: Is their any other part of my life that you want to control? What would be the results were we to put it to a national vote? Is there ANYTHING we do not want government to control?

  • EverythingMustGo

    “The moralizers telling others what to do with their bodies.”

    Agreed. Liberals believe they have the right to tell an infant that it must give up it’s body and die.

    Disgusting moral, isn’t it?

  • cazie

    Totally different Loran..and adult doing something horrific is absolutely not the same as killing an innocent baby in the womb. Pro-choice is an excuse for murder. How about choosing to use your birth control and not get pregnant in the first place?? Take responsibility for your sleepin’ around!

  • Jolly Times

    Just for clarification, they’re called liberals, communists, progressives, parasites, and government workers.

    No need to thank me.

  • DeAnn Mercado

    Patience, your “name” seems to be a misnomer :) My comment was not an endorsement of the bill, but rather the irony of the protest, and although the intention is noble (on behalf of the unborn – who do not yet have a voice), it is ultimately misguided. We don’t need more legislation against abortion, but more understanding regarding why women choose it. Why there is more outcry in this nation regarding animal rights than those waiting to be born? We wouldn’t abuse animals if we didn’t first abuse our bodies.

  • FE

    I agree with the part of stop talking about our vaginas and fix the state we are in. Lets fix our nation, first. I care more about our individual rights then women’s health care. Without our freedom, our health will fall under government control. Freedom before our physical being!!!

  • Sam I AM

    I am so sick and tired of these protesters…anything and everything…if “they” do not get their “way”…organize a protest. Absolutely no respect for private property or the personal lives of our Governor.

  • jacklohman

    Sam, these protesters did not count on their governor inserting himself in their lives.

    Look, abortions and the decision to abort is terrible. There is no winner, but in any event it should NOT be forced by government edict. I want Walker to run the state, not my personal life.

  • Loran Pittman

    You are the voice of hypocrisy. I’ve never had an abortion nor do I sleep around. Please refrain from personal slander. If you don’t need an abortion don’t get one.

  • Incredible

    So if someone wanted to end YOUR life, you are also OK with the government not intervening in your murderer’s personal life, or are you a hypocrite?

  • jacklohman

    What is it about my not wanting Walker playing God do you not understand?

  • cazie

    You are the voice of murder for innocents. No one needs and abortion-they need to refrain from getting pregnant since there is a lack of reverance for the most innocent of life. With everything science knows about a baby in the womb; any ‘intelligent’ person now realizes that abortion is murder. The heartbeat starts at 8 weeks! It is life!

  • cazie

    He’s not playing God. He’s responding to the outcry of people who value the most innocent of life, since so many have lost any sense of morality. There is birth control available to all. There is NO excuse Jack-none!

  • jacklohman

    I find it hard talking about Scott Walker and morality in the same breath, Cazie, as I am aware of his $39 million in campaign bribes. And I agree that birth control should be used more judicially (though given the opportunity Walker would likely try to ban that as well). But people make mistakes and I do not believe politicians should assume the power of fine-tuning our lives.

  • cazie

    Campaign contributions are given to so many in office Jack. Why must we continually bash the governor? I don’t believe he wants to ban contraceptions. Mistakes made by a woman should not be the death sentence of a baby. As a woman, I know how easy it is to use contraceptives. The birth control shot is done once a month-how much easier can it be?

  • jacklohman

    Nobody, aside from Obama and Romney, has collected as much cash as Walker. From guys like the Koch Brothers who want to access Wisconsin land. And the Tea Party. I’d prefer that my governor not be “bought.”

    Where we mainly disagree, Cazie, is on abortion bans… and I fully understand your position. But I believe it is between you and your God… NOT Scott Walker.

  • cazie

    The biggest donors listed for the past few years has been the Unions. Look it up Jack, it’s the absolute truth. The Koch brothers do contribute to conservatives, and charity. Why not mention George Soros and all the Hollywood actors who fund raised for Obama and the left?
    I am asking Scott Walker to intervene for the innocent babies who cannot speak for themselves; and who are butchered by the Kermitt Gosnells of the world.

  • jacklohman

    Cazie, my heart is with you on saving the babies, but I don’t want the government involved. That’s the only place we differ.

  • Guest

    Unfortunately, he WON’T pay on Election Day unless the voters manage to take direct oversight of vote-counting. This means they’re going to have to either bypass or duplicate the efforts of the computerized voting machines, which can be (and probably are) programmed in secret to rig elections. See blackboxvoting.org and facebook’s OCCUPY RIGGED ELECTIONS

  • George

    Did you just compare an innocent life of an unborn child with a convicted murderer? I am PRO-innocent-LIFE.

  • Loran Pittman

    The percentage of late term abortions is extremely small. No one wants to to have one or perform one unless the mother’s life is at risk or the fetus is nonviable. It’s a travesty the right to lifer’s have been misled to believe people are aborting healthy babies late term and would harm a mother with such misinformation.

  • loran

    I was being nonjudgmental in comparing a life to a life.

  • Charie

    How about an appropriate phrase like “compulsory abstinence”? What is it about you pro-abortion people that makes you think people shouldn’t have to live with rotten decisions. Once you start another life in your body you’ve made your choice. After that tiny baby is started it’s an individual person. Unless it is killed or aborts spontaneously it will be a full-fledged human being.

    Why do you think that almost-mothers and their doctors, who have taken an oath to do no harm, should have the right to take a human being’s life with no repercussions?

  • Charie

    I believe cazie was using “you” as a general term. It didn’t come across as being personal. You want to write in public and make your ideas known, you had better develop a thicker skin..

  • Charie

    You’re judgmental enough when it comes to determining that unborn babies should be murdered! The baby was not available for comment!

  • Charie

    May I interject the name Kermit Gosnell here? Or did your left wing pro abortion sources forget to mention it.? He did almost all late term abortions and became a millionaire by it. Also, his clinic had not been inspected by whoever does those inspections in Pennsylvania in 15 years. Also, did you ever hear or read that there were jars full of little baby feet in his “clinic”? Speaking of misinformation, I think you ought to keep a closer eye on your sources.

    There will not be invasive ultrasound. That is one of the things your sources are misleading you on..,

    Who speaks for the babies? Only those of us who believe in innocent life being sacred. Certainly not that band of unspeakable harpies!!

  • Charie

    ***believe people are aborting healthy babies late term and would harm a mother with such misinformation*

    You might wish to change your terminology here.The women in this sentence are simply women, not mothers.

  • Charie

    No fear of that unless we get more Democrats in the government, then you can kiss your high heels, shorts and alcohol good-bye. For some reason present day Dems seem to have an affinity for murdering cults!

  • Charie

    It should be taken care of like any other murder. Pro-abortionists should remember that up until the time of Roe v. Wade it was completely against the law to have an abortion. Now you’re whining and crying because the Wisconsin government doesn’t want .you to murder viable babies. What’s wrong with you?

    Is it because the little ones can’t fight back?

  • Charie

    Jack, you’re not telling the truth. You don’t want Walker to run the state. That is an out and out lie. I’ve seen you post in various places too many times. Also, I don’t think you believe abortion is terrible. It’s just one more little bump in a Liberal’s road.

  • Charie

    Oh, when our former governor got money from everyone and now Obama, it’s a campaign contribution but when money is given to Walker it’s a bribe. Jack, even your already loose standards are deteriorating..

  • Charie

    OK, Jack, outside of wanting to back candidates that agree with their life philosophies, what have the Koch brothers done that just makes your head spin?

    I’m sure the fact that they are a big sponsor of Special Olympics really upsets you. Tell me, what else

  • Charie

    Jack, that’s bull! Unions have always been the biggest contributors. Union dues scarcely stop at the union bank account before they’re forwarded to the DNC and on to candidates. You’re not stupid so why don’t you know that?

  • Loran Pittman

    Here is a point where you can learn something. There are times when a fetus dies in the womb and is not spontaneously aborted aka miscarried. The fetus begins to rot also refered to as being septic and the mother dies if the doctor does not remove the fetus. This is but one reason why a mother and her doctor would know better than a politician, clergy or someone with limited understanding.

  • Loran Pittman

    No judgement. Just questions.

  • Loran Pittman

    A life is a life.

  • locke

    How do the decisions others make about having a child affect any one other than the parents and family? The pro-lifers have already been born so their parents already made the decision to go through with their pregnancies. They should keep their big noses out of other peoples business. We already have an over-population crisis, abortion should be welcomed not frowned upon. In the end these are just tools used to turn us all against one another. There will always be disagreements on this topic, that’s a no-brainer. Lets just put it to rest already and take personal issues out of politics.

  • locke

    More jobs = less abortions. You need a job to live and to support a child. Unless you wish to pay for the kid with your taxes, dimwit.

  • locke

    Killing unborn babies is tame when you look at everything else going on in the world today. Open your eyes and step into the real world please.

  • jacklohman

    Charie, I am a center-right Republican that voted for Bush twice, and McCaine and Romney, but you are right on one count. I did NOT vote for Walker and DO NOT want him running the state. Not because of his abortion views, though I’ll now add them, but because he told me directly that he does NOT support campaign finance reform. His collecting $39 million from out-of-staters is NOT impressive to me.

  • jacklohman

    Carie, I’ve used both terms to describe both sides of the political spectrum, so you’ll have to be more specific. But aside from David Koch giving cash to your guy Walker, what is so great about him?

  • jacklohman

    mining and poisoning well water…

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  • Loran Pittman

    A retired gynecologist reflects on his experiences before Roe vs. Wade.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/03/health/views/03essa.html?_r=4&

  • Anne D

    Excuse me, Governor Walker has no respect for the personal lives of the citizens that he claims to represent. I voted for Walker, and am so very disappointed in his anti-liberty behavior.

  • Anne D

    The Norplant can last up to five years. That’s easier. The Governor has been continually disappointing me, personally. How about the moment a girl starts menstruating, she is forced to receive Norplant implants until she (and her mate) choose to procreate. Sarcasm.

    This method is just like limiting ammunition because the government has been unsuccessful banning guns.

  • Anne D

    Agreed.

  • Anne D

    BUT Governor Walker shut the mouths of the teacher’s unions who did not support him. Politically motivated?

  • Loran Pittman

    ” It’s a travesty the right to lifer’s have been misled to believe people are aborting healthy babies late term and would harm a mother with such misinformation.”

  • Anne D

    It’s a bribe regardless who we’re talking about. Jack gets that.

  • Anne D

    I’m a libertarian, for the record. I believe that abortion is a desperate measure taken by desperate people. It should not be used as birth control. People in America are adopting children overseas. It’s a sad decision that people sometimes feel that need to make. I thank God that I’ve never had to make a life-changing decision like that.

    I wonder what the affect on a child being raised by a parent, or parents, who truly did not want to raise him/her. I think Charlie Manson’s mother did not want him. Just a thought.

  • Anne D

    Walker does not believe in individual rights/freedoms, that’s the point!! Again, DNA collection without conviction or a search warrant. Police can pull you over and check to see if you’re wearing a seat belt. We are living in a police state already–it will get worse (and it is) before (and if) it gets better. You’ve heard of the gestapo, KGB, etc.?

  • Anne D

    How about mandatory birth control for all?

  • Loran Pittman

    People resorts to personal insults when they realize their argument does not make sense.

  • Anne D

    I don’t think anyone is supporting Kermit Gosnell.

  • Anne D

    That’s a good point.

  • Apotex1

    If only they would teach kids how NOT to have sex before marriage…..this would certainly help society. Funny, we never needed to be taught things like this in school, our parents had that role which leads us back to taking God and morales out of the US framework…..we could go on and on about how Progressivism has ruined our country……

  • Anne D

    This is so very true; and, I do try to teach this to my own children. My teen-age daughter was at a friend’s house and told her that she wanted to lose her virginity on her wedding night. The other child’s mother replied that it would never happen. No one waits, and that she lost her virginity when she was 13. My daughter came home quite upset. We looked at this mother’s life. She has 5 children, does not work, is not married, has free medical, dental, etc. and her children receive free breakfast and lunch at school. Two other women I know waited until they were married. They both have loving relationships, children, beautiful houses and cars and the mothers work part-time. Which life would she rather have? If, for whatever reason, she became pregnant, I would pray she would choose life, but that’s not always the right choice for all families.

  • cazie

    The unions that are still in place are critical support people. I’m not sure why-did they have the support within their ranks? I’m a state worker that never wanted to be in a union, and there were many more that wanted out where I work. When we had the chance to rejoin; not even half jumped back on board. What does that tell you? The union dues are over 90% donated to Democrats; and the flyers they mail out have never endorsed Republicans in our area. Where are you getting your info?

  • Anne D

    Governor Walker excluded them in Act 10. I, personally, believe that the teacher’s union was entirely too strong and not necessarily working in the best interest of children or teachers. I also believe that Gov. Walker is no saint and did not break up the teacher union (and other public unions) for any of the right reasons. Teacher unions are notorious for supporting Democratic candidates; firefighters and police are notorious for backing Republican candidates. Obviously, the union that you belong to is one that supports Democrats. The unions that remain intact send flyers that endorse Republicans. Maybe Wisconsin should be a right to work state. I don’t know. It seems like the Governor should not be silencing one political group and not others. I continue to believe that it was politically motivated.

  • dumbpeoplewothcomputers

    This makes no sense. Murdering jackloham is against the law. Abortion is not.

  • dpwc

    Do you honestly believe that kids around you weren’t having sex back in your day? You really believe that kids having sex is a ‘new’ thing. Puh-leaze.

  • dpwc

    Ugggh. You can’t make promise, Then not follow through and then blame others that they are mad about that.

  • DPWC

    A FETUS IS NOT A HUMAN BEING. A HEARTBEAT DOES NOT MAKE SOMETHING A HUMAN BEING. A BABY CANNOT SURVIVE OUTSIDE THE WOMB BEFORE A CERTAIN DATE.

  • hereallnight

    Pro-life people have it all wrong. They should be picketing outside graveyards.

  • hereallnight

    Ummmmm, you do know what the morning after pill is, don’t you?

  • dpwc

    Umm, no it isn’t. So you want someone who makes rotten decisions to raise a baby? Pro-life people need to really go out and see what shitty parents there are around and the sadness and fucked up kids living in orphanages. By God – the last thing we need is someone with poor judgement teaching a kid to have poor judgement.

  • cazie

    Yes I know…it’s an abortative drug. It would be better to take immediately than wait weeks longer. And rape is supposedly the big argument for abortion, is it not?

  • Anne D

    Which point are you referring to that is not a valid argument? Charie’s arguments are valid. Obviously, compulsory abstinence is kind of silly (in my opinion), and people should have to live with rotten decisions that they make. Once that life is created, it WILL grow to a “real” person. Doctors DO take the oath to first do no harm. However, abortion IS legal and Governor Walker is attempting to circumvent the law. This is an issue between a woman and God–Scott Walker and other members of Congress are NOT Gods. Read the other posts, dpwc, I’ve made arguments similar to yours.

  • Karen Schelhorn

    Abortion is not always and not usually performed by a pill. I work in Health care (not an aide). There is a price to pay physically for abortion no matter how it is accomplished.

  • Karen Schelhorn

    Those women protesting had it wrong anyway. The ultrasound is not of the vagina but of the uterus. A pre-born baby is in the uterus not the vagina.

  • adg37

    What planet are you from? Most are not performed by a pill. It is a very invasive, painful procedure. An instrument is shoved in you and pushed and turned to kill the baby while a suction sucks it out. It’s bloody and messy. Scar tissue forms and you have severe cramping. Sometimes, the entire baby is not aborted and it needs to be performed again. The abortion clinic also tells you parts of the baby could come out later.It’s not a “here, take this pill and it’s all over kind” of procedure. Obviously you’ve never had an abortion

  • adg37

    Ultrasounds do not need to be invasive like the protesters claim. I have had over 20 ultrasounds- they consisted of gel being put on my belly and then a wand glides over it. Never have they been invasive. The protesters again are distorting facts to plead their cause.

  • Bye Bye Jobs

    You pharasees and scribes, you strain out the gnat and swallow the camel. You are whitewashed sepulcres, favoring wealthy tithers while ignoring the poor. You adhere to outward rules, yet have no life within yourselves.
    On a secular note, having been in these churches for 30 years, you will never bring back what made America great like Denton Cooley or Tom Watson or Cornelius Vanderbuilt or Robert Fulton. This is a democracy BTW.